27th February Was Only Half the Surprise Revealed !!!

[MastanKhan]

there is no such thing as a born fighter...This martial race trait is a behavioral thing not a blood thing. Why are Mongolia or Uyghurs so docile for last several centuries.
FYI Kashmiris were revolting against Dogra even before Pakistan, infact from time to time in history..Cant put our inability on to their nature as an excuse.

Hi,

They are not docile---but the others have learnt how to fight them and keep them down---and chinese were no less fighters than the mongolians or the Uyghurs---.

Mongolians just found a leader who put them on a pedestal---.

Hazaron Saal nargis Apni Baynoori Pay Roti Hai
Bari Mushkil Say Hota Hai dedawur Paida


How about the Italians---they are a nobody right now---. How about the arabs---Khalas right now---it is all cyclic---.

Baluchis and Pathans will remain as they are---because they have not entered the world of civilization---.

Once the writ of the state is enforced upon an ethnic group---it needs a vibrant leader to bring a turn around---.

 

[NA71]

there is no such thing as a born fighter...This martial race trait is a behavioral thing not a blood thing. Why are Mongolia or Uyghurs so docile for last several centuries.
FYI Kashmiris were revolting against Dogra even before Pakistan, infact from time to time in history..Cant put our inability on to their nature as an excuse.

Very right ...this is basically inability .. and it will remain the same....

 

[Zowais]

ok. India bombing trees and killing crow is act of war. And pakistan hitting multiple targets, releasing footage of sparing brigade HQs, almost creating no fly zone in an air space guarded by multiple times bigger (at least in size) Air Force shooting down two of their jets, capturing their officer and parading him before whole world; none of this was response to that act of war?? PAF humiliated IAF on 27th. I believe you should ask your American friends’ views if you don’t agree with us, the desis.

Hi,

As it happens with pakistanis is that each and every member has to explained the issue from the start---.

India has already declared war---india is saying that we are going to strike targets inside pakistan---and that is a declaration of war---.

Now only a coward would say that it is not a declaration of war---.

My american friends were saying that it was a declaration of war---posters on foxnews cnn yahoo news were commenting that it was an act of war by india on pakistan---but pakistai generals were begging the world that it was not---.

Who gives a fck if he aircraft were intruding or not---india launched strikes---bombs were dropped in pakistan---that was war---.

 

[War Thunder]

Allow me to hit you with a classic line:

"Do not mistake our restraint for weakness."

Talk is cheap.

And what's the red line for your restraint?
When the GHQ is threatened?

Because the last time I checked.
It was fine for Americans to come in an bomb your Army post in Salala and murder the troops there.
It was fine to come play the Osama Drama.
It was also fine for Indians to come inside and try to bomb a structure and yet go back unhindered.
And it was completely fine for them to go and rape and kill Kashmiris who are apparently your "shehrug" something?

Anyone even remember Kashmiris anymore after the initial drum beating?

 

[R Wing]

And what's the red line for your restraint?
When the GHQ is threatened?

Because the last time I checked.
It was fine for Americans to come in an bomb your Army post in Salala and murder the troops there.
It was fine to come play the Osama Drama.
It was also fine for Indians to come inside and try to bomb a structure and yet go back unhindered.
And it was completely fine for them to go and rape and kill Kashmiris who are apparently your "shehrug" something?

Anyone even remember Kashmiris anymore after the initial drum beating?

Exactly (just FYI, I was being sarcastic in my post --- this annoying line by the top brass is just beating a dead horse.)

More such lines:
"We will never abandon our Kashmiri brothers!"

WTF else have you done?! You've left them to be detained, disappeared, raped, killed without trial.
Diplomatic offensives have little impact when you're an economically-struggling country which isn't a big market for Western goods/weapons/tech, so this is a sorry excuse by our civ and mil leaders.

We have totally abandoned them. Getting them some headlines and bringing their plight "to the attention" of the world (as if their spy satellites and intelligence agencies don't know what's happening there) might be slightly better than doing absolutely nothing --- but not by much.

I'm glad somebody else here realizes it. We've sold out.

 

[PakFactor]

Hi,

They are not docile---but the others have learnt how to fight them and keep them down---and chinese were no less fighters than the mongolians or the Uyghurs---.

Mongolians just found a leader who put them on a pedestal---.

Hazaron Saal nargis Apni Baynoori Pay Roti Hai
Bari Mushkil Say Hota Hai dedawur Paida


How about the Italians---they are a nobody right now---. How about the arabs---Khalas right now---it is all cyclic---.

Baluchis and Pathans will remain as they are---because they have not entered the world of civilization---.

Once the writ of the state is enforced upon an ethnic group---it needs a vibrant leader to bring a turn around---.

One good example is Otto von Bismarck once the German states United and he stepped up and set the nation on a course to strengthen bonds between it's citizens as 1 identity. So it's doable just need the right person at the right now to grab that opportunity and change the course of the nation.

 

[The Eagle]

You will never surprise us but we will always surprise you, was the famous statement by the former DG ISPR. And after one year of carrying out the operation Swift Retort, new details emerging as to how within 30 hours of the failed Balakot strike by the IAF, how the PAF mustered and delivered a classical blow to the Indians. While sketchy details of strikes on Indian targets and shooting down of IAF aircraft were released to the public, much of the information on those involved in the operation remains obscured. Now with kind permission of a certain person, I'm posting some classified details of the operation.

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Post edited due to security concern/official consent; as discussed. Do let me know if needed further editing.

Regards,

 

[crankthatskunk]

I will only respond to the post relevant to my post. For your information if the PAF narrative is true then they not only hesitated but ran away on the 26th when confronted by PAF. Their armaments were off target primarily because they were not fed the right coordinates.
At the end of the day every action hhas a desired effect. What we have done has had the necessary requisite effect in that the IAF will think twice before venturing into our air space. This was what was desired and achieved. The IAF fighters were a bonus and we had to resort to internationally accepted norms to keep the upper hand.
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Now you are making me agreeing to @MastanKhan point in his follow up post.
So please tell me, getting in to your think tank, what part of the 26th Strikes you don't consider as an act of war from India!!!

You think they came to play "Kabadi Kabadi" with Pakistan. That they touch and ran back to their field!!
I think now I understand Indian narratives of "Pakistan lost" all 4 wars.

In relation to 26th Strikes, Pakistan is saying "Abake maar", nothing more.

And it is beyond me why someone who had celebrated "PDF Thinktank" in its avatar, is failing to understand that on 26th Feb 19, Indians have tested Pakistani resolve. And in the process have busted the Myth of potential nuclear war between two nuclear neighbours.
Indians have blown Pakistani Nuclear deterrence to pieces.

Wait for them, once they have what they need they would come back. My estimate is in just over 2 years time. And I am no think tank, at least not wearing the garb of it.

It is another thing that I do thinking on different levels compare to some.

 

[Windjammer]

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Regards,

@The Eagle
Thanks for that, much appreciated, have notified the concerned, hopefully should be sufficient.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Indeed gone bonkers....before you start smooching yourself, let me remind you, one can indeed only laugh at how much self-importance you are giving yourself on the internet.....instead of living in your self created bubble of importance, come into the real world to understand some basics.

Basics!!
Yeah true very true. That's why you try to start every thread with "inside" information.
Says it all.

I on the other hand only analyse, without claiming anything. I know plain thinking and honesty is not normal for most Pakistanis.

This twisted thinking and attitude have brought us to where we are.
Did you ever failed to understand Pakistan's standing in the world!!! Why they are treated so badly on airports all around the world!!

When I look all around me, I see garbage, loose talk grand standing etc. Most Pakistanis I see in the shops, restaurants and other places all lives in DHA's, Clifton of Pakistan, but strangely either working in a restaurant, takeaways or driving CABS. Most people I know personally and through family do live in the DHA's and Clifton. They don't come to the UK/USA/EUROPE to work in the takeaways, restaurants and drive cabs. They come for luxurious holidays and shopping.

Great progress I say. Not reached to such pinnacle of self-progress in one day.
It took years and decades of inaction, bravado, lies, cheating, BS etc. Great people I would say.

You feel throwing up when you finish discussion with them.

 

[The Eagle]

@The Eagle
Thanks for that, much appreciated, have notified the concerned, hopefully should be sufficient.

No issues mate. Security concerns & secrecy is the first priority as compare to unnecessary drum beating merely to satisfy unrelated souls. Those who understands, know it well as how it happened and what was done to the adversary. The whole operation from get go is known to the relevant forces all around the world and so the parties concerned directly or indirectly. There is a reason that few Defence/Military attache were present during Operation Swift Retort program.

 

[crankthatskunk]

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Regards,

Dear Moderator, I just want to raise some questions regarding the post you quoted. it states "I'm posting some classified details of the operation."

1- Were classified details disclosed!!! If they were, how did forum allow that!!
2- And if they were not disclosed, why it was claimed that post contains "classified details of the operation".

I hope you will respond. These are very legitimate questions. No one should be allowed to play on both side.
And please restrain yourself from making any insulting remarks or using your power to ban me from taking part on this thread as before.

People without questions are people without brains.

 

[The Eagle]

Dear Moderator, I just want to raise some questions regarding the post you quoted. it states "I'm posting some classified details of the operation."

1- Were classified details disclosed!!! If they were, how did forum allow that!!
2- And if they were not disclosed, why it was claimed that post contains "classified details of the operation".

I hope you will respond. These are very legitimate questions. No one should be allowed to play on both side.
And please restrain yourself from making any insulting remarks or using your power to ban me from taking part on this thread as before.

People without questions are people without brains.

Dear Friend,

It all depends on which type of classified details you expected to be shared. In-fact, whatever is still available in the post contains new plaques or a bit of more information. Let's just that our personal disagreements & disliking shouldn't take over matter of national pride and celebration. Thread title does invite a lot of attention for academic discussion and there are people that know how good it is for whatever yet released. The information as such is released or forwarded through personal links/messaging and then the man does acquire permission to share with consent. What made it here is filtered and may not be for the interest of those who aren't aware of details for many plausible reasons. I don't see anyone else with access to these pictures even hence, a thread been created by him for further discussion. Believe, not everyone wants to be told with each & everything written on paper..... but sometimes, there are messages without being saying a single word. I wouldn't try to disregard my own brothers in arms even if I don't agree with an individual or don't like him for any reason. (I do have a detailed observation on these parameters & what I am saying is for sure).

I will suggest that we can state our differences without making it an issue of personal credibility or taking pride in an attempt to downplay someone. Hope you can understand this as I tried to put it aptly and with all due respect.

Regards,

 

[crankthatskunk]

Dear Friend,

It all depends on which type of classified details you expected to be shared. In-fact, whatever is still available in the post contains new plaques or a bit of more information. Let's just that our personal disagreements & disliking shouldn't take over matter of national pride and celebration. Thread title does invite a lot of attention for academic discussion and there are people that know how good it is for whatever yet released. The information as such is released or forwarded through personal links/messaging and then the man does acquire permission to share with consent. What made it here is filtered and may not be for the interest of those who aren't aware of details for many plausible reasons. I don't see anyone else with access to these pictures even hence, a thread been created by him for further discussion. Believe, not everyone wants to be told with each & everything written on paper..... but sometimes, there are messages without being saying a single word. I wouldn't try to disregard my own brothers in arms even if I don't agree with an individual or don't like him for any reason. (I do have a detailed observation on these parameters & what I am saying is for sure).

I will suggest that we can state our differences without making it an issue of personal credibility or taking pride in an attempt to downplay someone. Hope you can understand this as I tried to put it aptly and with all due respect.

Regards,

Thank you. I will say only this. I come from a family background, which can take me to places, if I want to go there. But because it is not my interest or liking, I don't go there. It is a personal decision. The only thing I hate are people who try to grandstand. That is the only reason for me objecting to some people's point of view.

We as a nation are suffering badly in the world to create our image, which is shattered and bruised due to our shortcomings. Which includes many.
Part of that shortcomings is our inability to act decisively. I only share those concerns, without any person, department, segment in mind.
What I see in Pakistan is acceptability of some of the most corrupt things I have seen in the world.
Not only they are accepted but given cover at the highest levels. That is a recipe for disaster.
Disaster we are facing as a nation for decades but alas are not any wiser.
That's all.

 

[The Eagle]

Thank you. I will say only this. I come from a family background, which can take me to places, if I want to go there. But because it is not my interest or liking, I don't go there. It is a personal decision. The only thing I hate are people who try to grandstand. That is the only reason for me objecting to some people's point of view.

We as a nation are suffering badly in the world to create our image, which is shattered and bruised due to our shortcomings. Which includes many.
Part of that shortcomings is our inability to act decisively. I only share those concerns, without any person, department, segment in mind.
What I see in Pakistan is acceptability of some of the most corrupt things I have seen in the world.
Not only they are accepted but given cover at the highest levels. That is a recipe for disaster.
Disaster we are facing as a nation for decades but alas are not any wiser.
That's all.

Let's forget the people and pay attention to the content, matter & subject. I see much & better psy ops hammering rivals. Decisive acting depends upon occasion & varies from one situation to other development. You see only what interests you. Just look at prospective of things with an open mind and without any mindset before any conclusion.

Corruption has nothing to do with such Ops. I cherish every moment/second of 1:30 minutes on that 27th day of February, 2019. I don't curse the moment of joy merely because of some other short comings. Had it been the case, the most here wouldn't be discussing while people that merely wants to feed their ego, would have been cursing Pakistan with joy. Those people aren't traitors I must say but just to feed their personal ego and have a moment to bash Higher Ups to feel good and important. Just because of my disagreements, it doesn't mean I need to pray for defeat of my own nation so that I can vent my personal frustration. Just because I have differences with some individual, doesn't mean I must wish for some losses at home so I can taunt more.

What really happening is that few minds would have really loved the few losses at Pakistan so that their egoistic rants could have been valued or they may have a moment for their own lost credibility. These people aren't traitors, I repeat but this is all about ego & personal grudge that wouldn't let them understand anything from other prospective. Note that such rant is not for you at all but to a certain mindset and a brotherly advise to not be like that ever.. if you come across to such situation in your life.

We will rise or fall together hence, one cannot put everything on other to be innocent. As a Nation, its all of our own doing and just that I have some individual issue; I hope that it shouldn't come on cost of Nation's Sovereignty, proud & credibility.

Regards,