27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[Maxpane]

both jf 17 one looks green and other one metal grey . am not ecpert

 

[Telescopic Sight]

this is a sarcasm. both jets collided in mid air but i was trying to be like indian media where they make up stories and u fell for it.

Got it ! Sorry, I had a senior moment

 

[NA71]

Looks like it. Wings have a funny shape about them and I see no steam/fire that indicates a missile hit.

@Windjammer

Can you confirm anything?

How about flying two RCAs and filmed them for Indian Media consumption ;-)

 

[Telescopic Sight]

Second aircraft going down...

I think it seems to be the same one. But in either case, the number of cell phone clips that are being circulated tell us that there is no way that India can hide a second jet shoot down.
I am more and more convinced that Abhi's Bison is the only IAF loss.

On a separate note, why are all these clips having Punjabi speaking folks?

 

[PakAlp]

Both sides are on the agreement:

1 helicopter fell
2 fighter jets fell and:
1 fighter jet was single seater
1 fighter jet was a dual seater

1 single jet fighter down video is available and pilot captured. mig21 Bison- CONFIRMED

Dual seater fighter jet a big mystery. Pakistan saying it fell on the Indian side and India is saying it fell on the Pakistani side.

Indian Kashmir - Aljazeera reported on a crashed plane with the police officer saying we found 2 dead bodies, also saying it's a fighter jet and not a helicopter.

Pakistan Kashmir. The people are saying they saw 2 pilots falling from the sky, 1 fell in Pakistan kashmir who is caught and another fell and disappeared. It could be he fell in Indian kashmir. Pakistan army spokesperson said Pakistan caught 3 pilots, then said 2 pilots and then 1 pilot. Many Pakistanis are also saying Pakistan has the other pilot but he has died and Pakistan is hiding the facts in order to avoid letting the situation get out of hand.

I would conclude that its 100% confirmed from both sides that 1 helicopter went down, and 1 mig21 went down and lastly 1 dual seater fighter jet went down.

The Indian side need to confirm what plane Aljazeera was showing and why the police people were saying it's fighter jet and we found 2 people dead, why couldn't they see 5 more dead bodies? And need to stop being childish by carrying a missile around and saying we shot Pakistani plane.

The Pakistani side need to ask why did the army confirm 3 pilots were captured, then changed the statement to 2 captured and then 1 captured. They also said 1 is in hospital and 1 in custody but then said it's only 1 pilot. Pakistani side also needs to stop making childish comments like we are hiding their pilots. Indian is doing propaganda that they are your pilots and you are claiming we are hiding Indian pilots. Doesn't make any sense.

I know the Indians have already said that Aljazeera plane video is of the Helicopter and no other video or photo is available regarding any other plane.

Pakistan is clearly showing the video of the fighter jet falling and also of the pilot. The local people went there and captured him.

If we believe these 2 versions then the 3rd confirmed dual seater plane which was shot has just disappeared in the air, no proof is available, no video, no photo. This is from both sides. Keep in mind. The people on the Pakistani who saw the plane could have mistaken the plane falling for the pilot. The general public cannot identify 100% but from the video it looked like 1 plane and 1 pilot.

So despite all the propaganda and twisting of facts. The end result is that the dual seater fighter jet has just disappeared. No video proof, no photo.

It may as well be 1 single seater fell and 1 helicopter fell. No other fighter jet fell. That is why no video proof, photo proof is available. If the Pakistani public can get the video of the Indian pilot and of the mig21 then I am 100% sure they can take the video of the dual seater and of the other pilots.

 

[Dazzler]

 

[Telescopic Sight]

Both sides are on the agreement:

1 helicopter fell
2 fighter jets fell and:
1 fighter jet was single seater
1 fighter jet was a dual seater

1 single jet fighter down video is available and pilot captured. mig21 Bison- CONFIRMED

Dual seater fighter jet a big mystery. Pakistan saying it fell on the Indian side and India is saying it fell on the Pakistani side.

Indian Kashmir - Aljazeera reported on a crashed plane with the police officer saying we found 2 dead bodies, also saying it's a fighter jet and not a helicopter.

Pakistan Kashmir. The people are saying they saw 2 pilots falling from the sky, 1 fell in Pakistan kashmir who is caught and another fell and disappeared. It could be he fell in Indian kashmir. Pakistan army spokesperson said Pakistan caught 3 pilots, then said 2 pilots and then 1 pilot. Many Pakistanis are also saying Pakistan has the other pilot but he has died and Pakistan is hiding the facts in order to avoid letting the situation get out of hand.

I would conclude that its 100% confirmed from both sides that 1 helicopter went down, and 1 mig21 went down and lastly 1 dual seater fighter jet went down.

The Indian side need to confirm what plane Aljazeera was showing and why the police people were saying it's fighter jet and we found 2 people dead, why couldn't they see 5 more dead bodies? And need to stop being childish by carrying a missile around and saying we shot Pakistani plane.

The Pakistani side need to ask why did the army confirm 3 pilots were captured, then changed the statement to 2 captured and then 1 captured. They also said 1 is in hospital and 1 in custody but then said it's only 1 pilot. Pakistani side also needs to stop making childish comments like we are hiding their pilots. Indian is doing propaganda that they are your pilots and you are claiming we are hiding Indian pilots. Doesn't make any sense.

I know the Indians have already said that Aljazeera plane video is of the Helicopter and no other video or photo is available regarding any other plane.

Pakistan is clearly showing the video of the fighter jet falling and also of the pilot. The local people went there and captured him.

If we believe these 2 versions then the 3rd confirmed dual seater plane which was shot has just disappeared in the air, no proof is available, no video, no photo. This is from both sides. Keep in mind. The people on the Pakistani who saw the plane could have mistaken the plane falling for the pilot. The general public cannot identify 100% but from the video it looked like 1 plane and 1 pilot.

So despite all the propaganda and twisting of facts. The end result is that the dual seater fighter jet has just disappeared. No video proof, no photo.

It may as well be 1 single seater fell and 1 helicopter fell. No other fighter jet fell. That is why no video proof, photo proof is available. If the Pakistani public can get the video of the Indian pilot and of the mig21 then I am 100% sure they can take the video of the dual seater and of the other pilots.

What a well thought out post! Thank you.
The Al Jazeera clip is of the chopper , no doubt.
One possibility to consider is whether the PAF had anything to do with the chopper crash. Unlikely though , since the distance from this chopper crash is more than 100 miles away to Rajouri , where the jets clashed.

 

[Asian.Century]

So were are those jets? Were is the wreckage? Someone would have surly taken cell phone video/photos. How wouldn't eye witnesses even tell the difference between Indian and Pakistani aircraft/pilots from thousands of feet?

I'm 100% using evidence, you on the other hand are giving me rumors and conspiracies.

Yes All what the eye witnesses are saying is that they are Indian Jets buring on ground, no sign or tail sign of a single Pakistani jet. All the videos/photos concretely proved they are Indian Jets, 2 Fights + 1 Helicopter.

No Mig-29s were ever involved. Instead Mirages and SU-30MKI were dispatched to deal with approaching Pakistani aircraft but they never violated Pakistani airspace unlike the Mig-21 which chased Pakistani aircraft. The Mig-21/s were in the area alone, the Mirages and MKIs never pressed the attack into Pakistani controlled airspace, they deterred F-16 (yes Pakistan used F-16 despite the denials).

There was the one Mig-21 and it got shot down. The rest of your argument is nonsense.

You do look like making a joke out of IAF by saying that Mig 21 were offensive jets, and while superior Mig 29 and Su30 Mkis were just point defence. Are you out of ur mind that Mig21s were only used across border, thats what u are trying to say at the heightened stage of high alert and eye ball to eye. So in essence u have accepted that only Indian Israeli pathetic Mig 21 Bison brave enough to cross into Pakistani airspace and the vast superior did not have guts to chase Pakistan jets.

Second Pakistan denied using F16s as offensive jets into enemy territory, they were up in air, escorting in formation with sharp ingressing Mirages and especially the deadly JF17 Thunders. You just elucidated to the fact that IAF was squarely defeated in aerial dog fight formation too.

Pakistan didn't even claim to have downed a helicopter so even Pakistani claims contradict your claims and yes helicopters do break up in mid air due to stress fractures in the tail and or the roters. In war time you would be shocked how many helicopters NATO lost in Afghanistan and Iraq due to mechanical malfunctions. During war attrition rates are much higher than in piece time due to high sorties and sometimes hastily rushing aircraft before they are ready.

NATO including contract aircraft lost 167 aircraft in Afghanistan. Only 35 were from hostile fire including ones destroyed on the ground.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan

Official Pakistan will never claim to down a Mi-17 Helicopter, cuz our official stance is no casualty was made or military target was hit. OK!!

 

[Hamza913]

That's a chopper isn't it?

 

[MikeZulu]

Both sides are on the agreement:

1 helicopter fell
2 fighter jets fell and:
1 fighter jet was single seater
1 fighter jet was a dual seater

1 single jet fighter down video is available and pilot captured. mig21 Bison- CONFIRMED

Dual seater fighter jet a big mystery. Pakistan saying it fell on the Indian side and India is saying it fell on the Pakistani side.

Indian Kashmir - Aljazeera reported on a crashed plane with the police officer saying we found 2 dead bodies, also saying it's a fighter jet and not a helicopter.

Pakistan Kashmir. The people are saying they saw 2 pilots falling from the sky, 1 fell in Pakistan kashmir who is caught and another fell and disappeared. It could be he fell in Indian kashmir. Pakistan army spokesperson said Pakistan caught 3 pilots, then said 2 pilots and then 1 pilot. Many Pakistanis are also saying Pakistan has the other pilot but he has died and Pakistan is hiding the facts in order to avoid letting the situation get out of hand.

I would conclude that its 100% confirmed from both sides that 1 helicopter went down, and 1 mig21 went down and lastly 1 dual seater fighter jet went down.

The Indian side need to confirm what plane Aljazeera was showing and why the police people were saying it's fighter jet and we found 2 people dead, why couldn't they see 5 more dead bodies? And need to stop being childish by carrying a missile around and saying we shot Pakistani plane.

The Pakistani side need to ask why did the army confirm 3 pilots were captured, then changed the statement to 2 captured and then 1 captured. They also said 1 is in hospital and 1 in custody but then said it's only 1 pilot. Pakistani side also needs to stop making childish comments like we are hiding their pilots. Indian is doing propaganda that they are your pilots and you are claiming we are hiding Indian pilots. Doesn't make any sense.

I know the Indians have already said that Aljazeera plane video is of the Helicopter and no other video or photo is available regarding any other plane.

Pakistan is clearly showing the video of the fighter jet falling and also of the pilot. The local people went there and captured him.

If we believe these 2 versions then the 3rd confirmed dual seater plane which was shot has just disappeared in the air, no proof is available, no video, no photo. This is from both sides. Keep in mind. The people on the Pakistani who saw the plane could have mistaken the plane falling for the pilot. The general public cannot identify 100% but from the video it looked like 1 plane and 1 pilot.

So despite all the propaganda and twisting of facts. The end result is that the dual seater fighter jet has just disappeared. No video proof, no photo.

It may as well be 1 single seater fell and 1 helicopter fell. No other fighter jet fell. That is why no video proof, photo proof is available. If the Pakistani public can get the video of the Indian pilot and of the mig21 then I am 100% sure they can take the video of the dual seater and of the other pilots.

I mentioned in some other thread a possibility. Maybe Pakistan has the other pilots and is using them to get information and secrets of IAF and their aircrafts. Couldn't get from ABHI as his video went viral so we had to return it. And India isn't claiming the other pilots due to embarrasment.
Please I would like your thoughts on it @Windjammer

 

[NA71]

two seater crash video will suddenly be appeared. wait

 

[Telescopic Sight]

Not Chandigarh either. Kashmir location is so obvious. The poster knows, but yet shares to increase post count.

 

[Windjammer]

I seriously want to know what the hell this is.

@Bilal Khan 777 @Windjammer

The IAF Hawk colliding during their practice for Banglore Airshow.

 

[Hamza913]

JF17s.

Am I the only one who sees the first plane as a Fishbed lol?

 

[Asian.Century]

The Bison shot down is essential not even Russian. It used Israeli F-16 avionics and Russia hasn't used the Mig-21 in decades it was also built in India.

Your bogus conspiracies got busted now you are tap dancing.

All you are trying to defend is a Russian ego as russia sold Mig. yes they are no more Russian.....Mig21 is more Israeli then a Russian, happy.

But 2 IAF fighters shot down, one helicopter down is what is the state of fact loss for IAF, and 0 for PAF. Period.