27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[Bratva]

Two from Srinagar and two from Awantipur.

If F-16 can fire AMRAAMs at Su30 flying deep within indian airspace, what stopped them from shooting down Abhi's Mig21 before it entered miles into pakistani airspace ?? The fact they were caught by surprise, that is the reason of their late reaction.

F-16 were flying at 30-40 K feets. How can they get get surprised from a low flying aircraft which they can see on their radars clearly ?

 

[Marker]

Two from Srinagar and two from Awantipur.
If F-16 can fire AMRAAMs at Su30 flying deep within indian airspace, what stopped them from shooting down Abhi's Mig21 before it entered miles into pakistani airspace ?? The fact they were caught by surprise, that is the reason of their late reaction.

PAF F-16 fired its AIM-120C to shoot down IAF Su-30MKI as soon as the IAF aircraft crossed the LoC and entered Pakistani airspace. However, when Su-30MKI received missile warning on the cockpit console, it turned back but got hit as soon as it crossed LoC and thus its wreckage along with the debris of AIM-120C had fallen inside Indian occupied Kashmir.

Fact#1: Indians already displayed the debris of AIM-120C.
Fact#2: The video clip shown during briefing by AVM RJK Kapoor of IAF was filmed somewhere near Thanamandi about 25 kms inside Indian occupied Kashmir. The clip reveals white smoke trail of an aircraft. The outline of silhouette around the smoke trail is of Su-30MKI!!!

None of the four IAF Mig-21 aircraft dared to cross LoC except Abhinandan's Mig-21. Due to successful electronic jamming by PAF EW aircraft flying nearby, it was Abhinandan who was caught by surprise!!!

He was unable to communicate with his wingman and Air Defence Controller. This fact he acknowledged during his debriefing in Pakistan. He said "communication mein bhaut shoor ho raha tha aur kuch sunai nahi de raha tha" (or words to that effect).

In his recorded statement in Pakistan he said that he was looking for the target but instead he got shot down inside the Pakistani territory.

Refer following post for video link for Abhinandan's complete recorded statement.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-se...nts-by-abhinandan.648991/page-3#post-12066944

After seeing all four missiles intact with the crashed Mig-21, even an average intelligent person can understand that shooting down of F-16 is a fake news. However shooting down of IAF Su-30MKI is the FACT.

Accept it and don't drag on for too long for nothing.

 

[airomerix]

Two from Srinagar and two from Awantipur.

If F-16 can fire AMRAAMs at Su30 flying deep within indian airspace, what stopped them from shooting down Abhi's Mig21 before it entered miles into pakistani airspace ?? The fact they were caught by surprise, that is the reason of their late reaction.

Funny boy.

 

[ziaulislam]

Fac

Two from Srinagar and two from Awantipur.

If F-16 can fire AMRAAMs at Su30 flying deep within indian airspace, what stopped them from shooting down Abhi's Mig21 before it entered miles into pakistani airspace ?? The fact they were caught by surprise, that is the reason of their late reaction.

Facts that were accepted by india
1. IAF was jammed (abhi aircraft)
2. IAF was outrange by PAF (may explain why india deescalated) by aim120
3. F16s are superior to su30 or anything IAF has (see print article stating this and fact that IAF has to scramble more than 1 fighter for this reason)
4. IAF got confused and murdered 6 of its own people in a chopper
5. IAF was blind as they were NO AWECs nor IAF can field any
6. IAF lacks a secure connection

Partially accepted facts
1. We might have missed targets (in wake of seeing clear satellite images) we arent suppose to count the dead


Now any one can add 1+1 by looking at the above 6 points ..are you suggesting that someone who is outranged and outgun jammed and blind shot down a f16? ..simply illogical

Feeling sleepy, so i would make this simple point.
PaF fighters were taken by surprise when four mig 21 entered the melee ,especially two mig-21 that took off from Srinagar airbase, because these two Mig21s (Abhi's) rose from the shadow of Pir Panjal Range unbeknown to PAF on the opposite site of mountain range.

Are you saying your airforce is lying that mig21 were jammed?

Because if indeed mig21 was jammed and blinded than who was surprised is pretty obvious

 

[sonic boom]

When ever you claim your win, you have to come up with a solid proof, not fake "hypothesis". This is an utter disgrace to the word hypothesis.

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In the citation issued by Indian President while awarding Vir Chakra to Wing Commander Varathaman Abhinandan, he (Indian President) himself acknowledge that

1. PAF aircraft were armed with advanced BVR air to air missiles and advanced high caliber air to ground stand-off weapons.

2. PAF aircraft were under seamless airborne radar cover and control.

How an F-16 equipped with AIM-120Cs and having an absolute situational awareness, by turning away from the approaching Mig-21, become a prey instead of hunter in a scenario where situation is 100% in favor of F-16? What an absurd hypothesis.

If the video clip showing white smoke trail in the sky was captured on 27 February, 2019 at around 10 am, then it could be due to falling debris of unfortunate IAF Su-30MKI shot down by PAF F-16.

I can draw another version of silhouette showing Su-30MKI debris coming down.

View attachment 603677​

Furthermore, PAF already produced all four missiles attached to the crashed Mig-21. You can find photographs of four missiles debris in my post #8786. As no missile was fired from Abhinandan's Mig-21, therefore shooting down an F-16 is out of question, however, the video clip shown can be used as a proof of shooting down of IAF Su-30MKI by PAF F-16.

yeh video IOK "Thanamandi" sector ki hy yeh na mig-21 hy na MI-17 helicopter yeh Su-30MKI hy

 

[Bratva]

This mystery of this tadpole shaped structure must be solved to come to any conclusion in face of counter claims. What is not under doubt is
that tadpole is of a burning jet going down on 27th feb. In this video people can heard saying it's on fire.

Not all F-16 were flying at 30-40 K feets. Some were flying low to lodge LBGs at Indian positions along the LoC. Yes, the F-16 that was flying at high altitude ultimately shot dowm Abhi's Mig 21.


Su30 crossing LoC and then turning back ?? That's new argument.
Why would Su30 have to cross LoC to engage and tackle PAF jets when Su30s are armed with BVR missile and long range radar ?



Fact. In This video shot in Thanamandi, the burning jet is going towards the Pakistani side.

There was no jamming expect his communication wasn't secure . India has now bought new Israeli kits for secto be installed on mig 21s.

1. No, India didn't say Mig21 was jammed.

2. Remember that Abhi's Wingman also operated in the same environment and safely came back after dislodging AMRAAM fired at him.

3. No, Iaf didnt say F-16s are better than Su30s.
F-16 had advantage in the sense, they fired the BVR first violating peacetime ROE. By the time Su30 dislodged Bvr missiles, all F-16 have gone back deep inside Pakistan and hence Su30 couldn't get firing solutions.

Its for experts to determine. But that tadpole is small and narrow in shape to be created by Su30 size jet

Who says F-16 Lodged LGB? Where is the proof that F-16 were flying low altitude? Are you living under the rock or what ?

 

[dilpakistani]

Read this :

IAF to destroy unexploded bombs fired by Pakistan after Balakot airstrikes

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-jammu-and-kashmir-mendhar-1492389-2019-04-02

Pakistan ke 'fush' bomb near Mendhar

hahaah they are marter bombs... they aren't fired from airforce

 

[graphican]

Read this :

IAF to destroy unexploded bombs fired by Pakistan after Balakot airstrikes

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-jammu-and-kashmir-mendhar-1492389-2019-04-02

Pakistan ke 'fush' bomb near Mendhar

These are Mortar. They are fired by the army, not by the airforce, you morons.

 

[Bratva]

Three live bombs fired by Pakistani fighter aircraft are still lying at LoC

https://theprint.in/defence/three-l...ghter-aircraft-are-still-lying-at-loc/215825/

Where does it say, F-16 Fired LGB bombs ? Do you even know what is an H-4 SOW and which aircraft fires it ?

Read this :

IAF to destroy unexploded bombs fired by Pakistan after Balakot airstrikes

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-jammu-and-kashmir-mendhar-1492389-2019-04-02

Pakistan ke 'fush' bomb near Mendhar

Bro why spend so much time debating when you can learn a thing or two by googling about stuff that you don't know ?

 

[Maarkhoor]

You are nitpicking between LGBs and H-4 SOW.
The truth is those two Mig21 vectored and flew towards that particular sector as there were F-16s were crossing LoC in their attempt to drop guided munition on Indian installations.

@DESERT FIGHTER @Areesh @waz

Guess who joins us again

Who says F-16 Lodged LGB? Where is the proof that F-16 were flying low altitude? Are you living under the rock or what ?

Don't waste your time on a multi I.D troll who can't distinguish between BOMBS and SOW....

 

[Bilal.]

You are nitpicking between LGBs and H-4 SOW.
The truth is those two Mig21 vectored and flew towards that particular sector as there were F-16s were crossing LoC in their attempt to drop guided munition on Indian installations.

You are showing mortars as proof of LGB being defused and when called out for it you are calling it nitpicking ? Lol

And forget the fantasy BS just tell us when all four AAM of Abhinondone’s mig21 have been shown (not some mortars...lol) what did he shoot the F16 with?

 

[NA71]

latest article:

https://www.globalvillagespace.com/assessment-of-indias-balakot-raid-aftermath-future-implications/

 

[sonic boom]

Read this :

IAF to destroy unexploded bombs fired by Pakistan after Balakot airstrikes

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-jammu-and-kashmir-mendhar-1492389-2019-04-02

Pakistan ke 'fush' bomb near Mendhar

 

[PakFactor]

Some body ban that worthless Gangu lol
It’s amazing what he’s coming up with to cover their incompetence.

 

[ziaulislam]

This mystery of this tadpole shaped structure must be solved to come to any conclusion in face of counter claims. What is not under doubt is
that tadpole is of a burning jet going down on 27th feb. In this video people can heard saying it's on fire.

Not all F-16 were flying at 30-40 K feets. Some were flying low to lodge LBGs at Indian positions along the LoC. Yes, the F-16 that was flying at high altitude ultimately shot dowm Abhi's Mig 21.


Su30 crossing LoC and then turning back ?? That's new argument.
Why would Su30 have to cross LoC to engage and tackle PAF jets when Su30s are armed with BVR missile and long range radar ?



Fact. In This video shot in Thanamandi, the burning jet is going towards the Pakistani side.

There was no jamming expect his communication wasn't secure . India has now bought new Israeli kits for secto be installed on mig 21s.

1. No, India didn't say Mig21 was jammed.

2. Remember that Abhi's Wingman also operated in the same environment and safely came back after dislodging AMRAAM fired at him.

3. No, Iaf didnt say F-16s are better than Su30s.
F-16 had advantage in the sense, they fired the BVR first violating peacetime ROE. By the time Su30 dislodged Bvr missiles, all F-16 have gone back deep inside Pakistan and hence Su30 couldn't get firing solutions.

Its for experts to determine. But that tadpole is small and narrow in shape to be created by Su30 size jet

Sorry i didnt know you were taking about indonesian airforce
As indian airforce clearly said there jet was jammed