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27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

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Have you ever been to an American Base outside the US. I have, both in Iraq & Afghanistan with my previous Charter Operators (as a Crew Member). You want to talk about 'Classless', you outta take a look at the Nation everyone thinks is Super Awesome. I have witnessed how they (Americans) talk to Afghan Soilders on our flights by referring to them as "These MF'ers". Aren't they 'Warriors' who are fighting by your side?

So save your speech for people who truly care - because I doubt many/any would find a bag of Potato Chips 'Classless'.

Hell, i'm flying to Faisalabad tonite. I just might ask the Ground Staff to pick up some for me.

Americans: Taking absurd/sickening pictures with PoW's who happen to be Civilians is 'Classless'.

Indians: Taking hits at our Leaders, by calling them...Ghafoora: King of Lies is 'Classless'.


I was working in a clinic near Cleveland Ohio during the second Iraq war.
My job included doing part of physical for the soilders heading to Iraq. It sickened me to see that many of the soldiers had some
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Yes you are right we should not have print his pic on crisp or potatoes packet.

We should have printed his face on toilet papers !

No I’m jocking. Mmm I think I’m jocking but not sure ! :D

It’s not showing disrespect. I think we show that we love him because he liked our tea :enjoy:


Pretty tasteless.... let’s not indulge in who can stoop lower .... we must maintain high ground and not become like our enemies....

If Talibans cut our soldiers’ heads should we do the same???

If we print their solider picture in the toilet paper what is to stop them from doing something to our religion or national figures?
 
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What most people do not realize is that the Indian high command had planned their attack to the last detail, but more importantly their attack was the given the green light they needed by certain powers that be.

After all, you do not cross a red line of a nuclear state armed to teeth ready to strike without certain guarantees!

No one expected Pakistani retaliation of such a level where the top tier of the Indian military command had to be hospitalized due to life threatening injuries.

The last I heard the Indian generals are still going through therapies of all sorts, both physical and psychological.

i agree as i also think it was a failure at political grounds, obviously all the option were considered militarily hence the outcome was a go ahead for the operation on 26 feb night. what relaxed them the next morning was several factors (all political) they had a nod from powers who kept quite after the incident, hence were of the mind with no such response from PAF with those pressures on Pakistan.
 
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What is a pic of abhinandan on a chips bag compared to its pic on toilet paper ? It’s not so disrespectful in my opinion.
It’s childish joke ok, but not disrespect,




Didn’t you heard about a big store who printed drawing on toilet paper and who looked like... :astagh: I won’t say the name of our Creator here !

Yes they already did !


Here the pic taken from the video in the link below:

The store was Mark and Spencer in Paris La Defence ( a big businesses area near Paris)

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Link of the video (sorry it’s in french)

https://www.google.fr/amp/s/amp.lef...papier-toilette-et-obtiennent-son-retrait.php
Just thought I should share the following, apart from the point you were making @Vortex ...
The word Allah الله existed before Islam. It is the name in Arabic for The Almighty as preached by Prophet Abraham (Ibrahim Alaihassalam). The name of God in Arabic Bibles is also Allah الله. And Abraham is revered by Muslims, Jews & Christians alike. So they are debasing the name of their own One And Only Deity (as well) in ignorance and out of hatred for Muslims.

So this is being done by certain elements who want to aggravate the Muslims so that they react and the friction between Muslims and the West remains hot. We shouldn't fall prey to these
despicable ploys to create chaos & unrest on religious basis.
 
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Guys, over the years I've been in awe of the Artwork sold for various Air Forces' around the World & could only find a handful of PAF Artwork sold online.

Finally, I've found a person (in Pakistan) & his work is...CLASS.

I'm gonna attach a few images of his work & you guys can get in touch with him through Facebook and/or his cellphone number (mentioned).

His name is Zeeshan Bangash.

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ZeeshanBangashPAFDigitalAviationArt

Just browse through 'Aviation Art Prints' and you can later check out the 'Patches, Insignias & Logos'.


Artist name: Zeeshan Bangash.

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ZeeshanBangashPAFDigitalAviationArt
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Some relevant excerpts from the article


Q.What has been your most memorable mission & why was that?

A. 26 Feb 19, after the Indian Air Force’s attempted strikes in Pakistan border region- at 5 in the night took off in rain/low cloud with TS in the vicinity. Clouds were from 4,000 till 33,000 feet. Got out of clouds and controller reported two Su-30s ‘across the fence’. I targeted them at ranges beyond 50-60 NM but didn’t get authorisation to engage from controller, < so I> continued to grind above 32,000 flowing hot and cold 20-30NM from fence targeting the Su-30s. The IAF scrambled a total of six more Su-30s and finally I had eight Su-30s in front. Would turn hot and target each one in sequence from north to south (just spike them seeing whether they get lured in or not). After hitting texaco (air refuelling) returned to based amid rain and wet runway.. the first thing ground crew did was count the missiles.. gave a disappointed look once all were intact. the same profile continued for a couple of month but that first mission was an unbelievable experience.”


Q.Which threat aircraft is most challenging and why? How confident do you against the M2000 and MiG-29?

A. Definitely the Su-30 is the most difficult aircraft in terms of current Indian Air Force inventory but we regularly fly against the F-16 and more importantly AMRAAM, so Adder and Alamo seem less worrisome (smily face). Mirage with MICA is definitely a real threat.”

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The IAF’s Su-30 are the most formidable threat aircraft to the PAF.



Q.How would you rate the JF-17s sensors & weapons?

A. KLJ-7 radar plus Indra radar warning receiver plus Self-Protection Jamming, ASEL targeting Pod equals a very potent system. We have air-ground/sea stand-off weapons with ranges of over 50NM, well out of SAM ranges”



Q.Which aircraft have you flown DACT against- which was the most challenging and why?

A. DACT : F-16 Block-52+ , Mirage, F:7P.

Turkish F-16s. Definitely F-16+AMRAAM combo was the most challenging.”

Q.What’s the best way to fight a M2000?

A.BVR: Avoid long range low DMC shots of MICA through defensive action in first flow..after that fight at equal advantage in BVR v BVR scenario IR v IR scenario: I don’t think the M2000 would be able to sustain prolonged turning engagement with a Thunder in air-air configuration.. in PAF we have a joke about mirages ” tally one mirage 6 o clock to me and I’m offensively engaged! <smilie face>“

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Mirage 2000 with MICA- a threat to be respected.


Q. In a WVR fight would you rather be in an F-16 or JF-17?

A. F-16 .. for the initial 180deg turn, then Thunder all the way. JF-17 with PL-10 mod (currently in pipeline) will trump F-16 with AIM-9M any day of the week, but currently on brute performance F-16 has the edge.”


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How good is the engine?

“With the current config engine produces sufficient power – but who doesn’t like a bit of extra thrust?


Which weapons are currently in frontline service on JF-17?

“Currently we have PL-5(IR missile) SD-10(BVR). C-802 anti ship standoff , REK/IREK air-surface standoff with multiple warhead/seekers/roles and then all the GP Bombs, CM-400 and host of other A/G weapons for precision strikes. All that with the integrated ASEL Pod for targeting.”

Q.The IAF and PAF account of the 2019 vary, what actually happened? What are popular misunderstandings of it?

A: We shot a MiG-21 on our side and a Su-30 on their side (which we didn’t claim initially because we already had the MiG-21 pilot in custody and that was enough of a message that we had the superiority). Plus we didn’t want to rub it in their face that we had shot two jets which in turn would escalate the problem. Needless to say, we have the wreckage of MiG-21 with all four missiles intact (hence no shooting of our jets took place) plus our electronic warfare (EW) platforms have all the radio transmissions of the IAF — and it’s a treat to listen to those confused and devastated calls of IAF pilots and controller which the shooting was taking place (IAF do not operate on secure radios so all their RT chatter is easily picked by EW platforms.

Plus a MiG-21 in Block zero-one i.e below 20,000 with AA-12 Adder can only dream of getting a missile off rail against targets beyond 20NM (plus the Kopyo radar doesn’t support AA-12 launches beyond 20NM and that too on head-on aspects). Plus the evidence the Indians showed was a AMRAAM piece on their side claiming it was from a F-16 they shot. My simple question: if they found a piece of AMRAAM on their side but no jet attached to it then where did the wreckage go? Duhhh. And for a MiG to launch a missile against an F-16 and get it to A-pole and in the meantime get shot by another jet speaks poorly of the MiG-21’s pilot’s priorities as a fighter pilot.

Nobody in their right frame of mind would enter the kill zone being spiked from all side and still continue hot without listening to any controller or formation member. In the intense comm jam environment with non secure radio the poor MiG-21 pilot didn’t receive any threat warnings given by his controller and I’m sure he didn’t have a moving map display telling him he had crossed the border and the comms were being jammed.”


https://hushkit.net/2019/07/19/flyi...erview-with-pakistan-air-force-fighter-pilot/

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No one expected Pakistani retaliation of such a level where the top tier of the Indian military command had to be hospitalized due to life threatening injuries.

The last I heard the Indian generals are still going through therapies of all sorts, both physical and psychological.
Who exactly are you talking about when u say 'indian Indian military command had to be hospitalized due to life threatening injuries ' ??
Nothing of that sort ever happened .
 
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Ok , u can dismiss the F-16 shot down part at the outset .

But this is an interesting video , i'm sure not seen by many on PDF .

1. You can see a A2A missile being fired . U also hear a blast while the missile is still in flight .

2. It hits some thing or not ?

3. The wreckage of the downing plane isn't a mig21 . We have see Mig21 coming down videos which is very different from this one .

4. And a rescue chopper flying toward the wreckage .

So the question arises which jet is it ?? Indian or Pakistani ?

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@bl33d have you seen this ??
A chopper is also seen flying to at the end of the clip .
Whose chopper is this ? IAF or PAF ?
 
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Su30

Its the only other jet shot down that day

Problem is it fell inside Indian occupied Kashmir
I'm more interested in the chopper flying at the end of the clip . The chopper's identity will where the wreckage fall and whose jet is it .
 
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