22 UAE soldiers killed in Yemen missile attack

[Saif al-Arab]

Saudi forces were in infancy back than (which were also trained by Pak)... US forces (which you pay,equip and feed) came much later when Pak refused to send another brigade !!

As for the key word "guarding guess why? Coz your forces were incompetent and saddam was not predicable and you were scared of an iraqi invasion of KSA!






Yes I do ..(will post in a while)... And no you didn't "pay" for them .. Our troops came as UN volunteers ...


A few hundred million or even a billion can't sustain a country of over 185 million ! Our expats send 18 billion alone ...

As for our nuclear program .. Sure but it's a myth that you funded it... We had already developed and cold tested our weapons in 83!


Several times !... Pak brigades fighting PLO in Jordan was an example I have above ..

Apart from that we have had war veterans even on this forum who actually helped establish your military institutions ... even today we have a 1000 troops in KSA ?



By all means go ahead ... I just hope you send a ticket for @Peaceful Civilian to come and fight for you guys ..

Not infancy. KSA's army was quite capable even back then but Saddam Hussein had the most powerful army in the region along with Israel (numerically his was stronger) and one of the most powerful armies in the world at that time even. The worry was real. KSA back then did not put as much emphasis on the army as they do today. In any case Saddam never invaded KSA. He only managed to control 1 coastal town in KSA (Khafji) which he lost completely less than 2 day after he entered.

Battle of Khafji - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Still they never thought. Sending troops that did not fight + training troops along with dozen of other countries does not equal "fighting wars for Arabs".

So you are telling me that the few Pakistani advisers were training troops in KSA and elsewhere for free? Ok.

The fact is that the GCC has given you much more money than what it was worth to train a few thousand troops or station a similar number of troops under UN.

That's the only thing you can mention. Some of your troops fought PLO in Jordan. How does that even come close to the picture that you want to paint here? Before that small conflict in Jordan (1 small Arab country) there were numerous conflicts in the Arab world and afterwards where Arabs fought alone.

Just like people from modern-day KSA (Hijaz) created 3 of the 11 empires in human history. More than any other ethnic group in the top 15. This is not relevant

Along with numerous other Arabs as non-Arabs.

1000 troops. Where do you have that information from? And how are those 1000 in any way vital for the security of KSA if they even exist?

Why should he when I just told him that it's not needed?

You and your likes are making it sound like you founded all the armies of the Arab world and fought all of our wars. That's utter nonsense. Both countries helped each other and let's end it there.

 

[Rasengan]

They just gave us warning and taught the lesson to us by inviting Modi. No such high post visited U.A.E from 35 years, because U.A.E always supported Pakistan on Kashmir issue unless they listen abuses from our Parliment against Arabs .
"As you sow, so shall you reap"...
Wait. More to come from gulf countries ......
Let say all evil world while our only pure land in the world.
U.S.A,Denmark, Western countries, Arabs, atheists in China on Muslim issue, All world evil, dark short paleed people.
Koi reh geya hai????

Under no circumstances can the Saudi's and the United Emirates can be considered our Muslim brothers. This is because they would shake the hands of a Prime Minister who butchered and raped innocent Muslims and is a idol worshiper who has a deep sense of hatred towards Muslims. Since the concept of ummah does not exists, then we should focus on our national interests. Do you really think the Saudi and the GCC sheikhs can intimidate us into submission, because once Pakistan is economically powerful then they will know true despair. We can also give them a warning by having an alliance with Iran and changing the dynamics of the Middle East....tit for tat

Give me proof that the UAE supported Pakistan's stance on Kashmir in the last 10 years? There is a famous proverb mentioned by Chairman Mao "I am a frog in a pond sitting down as a Lion and in spring I make no sound, however which creature dares respond back to me". Do you know the meaning behind this poem? Pakistan is weak now, however this will not always be the case in the future and those who have done injustice to us will suffer in pain.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

By all means go ahead ... I just hope you send a ticket for @Peaceful Civilian to come and fight for you guys ..

You are emotional, comes to conclusion so early without reading post and whole context.
This alliance is in the interest of Pakistan. This is a bless, rich Country asking our military stuff even they can do it alone, and with beasts like f16 block60, f15s, Typhoons and top notch tanks
This alliance is our need, not their... For mutual interest, and continue to helping each other .
It will not effect their health if they do it alone,
but on longterm we will lose last friends too.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Not infancy. KSA army was quite capable even back then but Saddam Hussein had the most powerful army in the region along with Israel (numerically his was stronger) and one of the most powerful armies in the world at that time. The worry was real. KSA back then did not put as much emphasis on the army as they do today.

So Saudi military wasn't incapable but just couldn't guard and protect its own borders against a paper tiger army (Iraqis) and needed dozens of thousands of Pak troops to protect itself?

Still they never thought. Sending troops that did not fight + training troops along with dozen of other countries does not equal "fighting wars for Arabs".

I doubt a brigade fighting to free PLO held territory in Jordan etc etc = peaceful duties ?

So you are telling me that the few Pakistani advisers were training troops in KSA and elsewhere for free? Ok.

A few really? Why do t you google Pak troops in KSA? Gives you s rough idea of the "handful" of instructors.

The fact is that the GCC has given you much more money than what it was worth to train a few thousand troops or station a similar number of troops under UN.

GCC doesn't pay UN... And it paid our troops not out of courtesy but for their services rendered.., that your own forces were incapable of performing!

That's the only thing you can mention. Some of your troops fought PLO in Jordan. How does that even come close to the picture that you want to paint here? Before that small conflict in Jordan (1 small Arab country) there were numerous conflicts in the Arab world and afterwards where Arabs fought alone.

I doubt a brigade is composed of some troops? A brigade itself has several regiments .. Each having upto 1000-12 or 1400 troops!!

As for all arab conflicts... Do you expect us to fight for all of you guys? How many conflicts has KSA,Jordan,Bahrain (which is still hiring former Pak troops),Oman (a large part of whose military itself is made up of Pak origin troops).. gotten into & not have had PAKISTAN to support you?

Even Syrians were taught by our instructors... Ironic.

Just like people from modern-day KSA (Hijaz) created 3 of the 11 empires in human history. More than any other ethnic group in the top 15. This is not relevant

Along with numerous others Arabs as non-Arabs.

1000 troops. Where do you have that information from?

Why should he when I just told him that it's not needed?

As I said Google... You will even find pics of Pak NCOs training your troops.. Or our govts statement about Pak mil deployment in KSA to protect her sovereignity ...

 

[Rasengan]

You are emotional, comes to conclusion so early without reading post and whole context.
This alliance is in the interest of Pakistan. This is a bless, rich Country asking our military stuff even they can do it alone, and with beasts like f16 block60, f15s, Typhoons and top notch tanks
This alliance is our need, not their... For mutual interest, and continue to helping each other .
It will not effect their health if they do it alone,
but on longterm we will lose last friends too.

The only alliance we need to care about is the Russian, Chinese and the Europeans who will eventually invest into Pakistan due to CPEC. We don't need Arab money because they only provide peanuts and would rather invest $75 billion with India. So the United Emirates have good military equipment, so what when we have China who can make the same stuff at a much cheaper price who actually value our friendship. If the alliance disappears then they will lose more than Pakistan..do you know why? Because this time no Pakistani Army will stop random uprising and if they continuously annoys us with threats then we would simply join hands with Iran When we are economically powerful, then you will see how one wrong move by the Arabs against us will have disastrous effects.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

So Saudi military wasn't incapable but just couldn't guard and protect its own borders against a paper tiger army (Iraqis) and needed dozens of thousands of Pak troops to protect itself?




I doubt a brigade fighting to free PLO held territory in Jordan etc etc = peaceful duties ?



A few really? Why do t you google Pak troops in KSA? Gives you s rough idea of the "handful" of instructors.


GCC doesn't pay UN... And it paid our troops not out of courtesy but for their services rendered.., that your own forces were incapable of performing!



I doubt a brigade is composed of some troops? A brigade itself has several regiments .. Each having upto 1000-12 or 1400 troops!!

As for all arab conflicts... Do you expect us to fight for all of you guys? How many conflicts has KSA,Jordan,Bahrain (which is still hiring former Pak troops),Oman (a large part of whose military itself is made up of Pak origin troops).. gotten into & not have had PAKISTAN to support you?

Even Syrians were taught by our instructors... Ironic.


As I said Google... You will even find pics of Pak NCOs training your troops.. Or our govts statement about Pak mil deployment in KSA to protect her sovereignity ...

Yes, a "paper tiger army" that ran havoc against Iran (a 3 times bigger neighbor with a much bigger population) and which was considered as one of the most powerful armies at that time period in the world.

Who played no role at the end of the day. No combat. The only battle "in that war" was the Battle of Khafji.

That's the only example you can give (which is laughable in the wider picture) along with a few Pakistani pilots during the Arab-Israeli wars.

That's nowhere near (not even close) to what I have read of claims here form a minority of Pakistanis.

No more than a few 100 people overall and far from the only ones. Armies across the world cooperate and have done so (in the case of KSA) since it's founding.

No, they were not as there were no actual war. The world powers (USA mainly as they played a vital role) acted upon their own due to own interests not out of love. Pakistan did not play any role in that "war". Only sending a few thousands troops through the UN who never actually fought.

Tomorrow if KSA sends 10.000 troops to Pakistan because India is about to invade it but those troops never actually fight would any sane person then claim that "KSA fought wars for Pakistan"? The answer is rightly no.

I don't bother with this discussion as it is laughable in my eyes.

So in the end you have a few Pakistani pilots participating in the Arab-Israeli wars (a tiny percentage overall), a few Pakistani officers in Jordan fighting the PLO (Jordan 1 Arab country out of 22) and then a few hundred instructors in KSA and some other Arab countries and deployments never bigger than 15.000 who never actually thought.

If that equals some of the absurd myths that we hear from some of your compatriots here and elsewhere then we live on another planet.

Besides no sane person would compare a 180 million big Pakistan with 8 million big Jordan (the only Arab country where your troops actually fought outside of those few pilots in the Arab-Israeli wars (not all of them even).

Anyway this has nothing to do with the topic and I already correctly concluded that both KSA + other Arab countries and Pakistan have helped each other mutually throughout history.

 

[Rasengan]

Yes, a "paper tiger army" that ran havoc against Iran (a 3 times bigger neighbor with a much bigger population) and which was considered as one of the most powerful armies at that time period in the world.

Saddam Hussein was initially successful against the Iranians, because during the revolution the entire Iranian Military hierarchy was eliminated and the new commanders had virtually no battle field experience. Due to crazy policies of the Mullah's from Tehran, sanctions were laid against Iran and the maintenance and supply of ammunition was a real problem during the war, since most of the weapons left over from the Shah's era were American. So Saddam Hussein even with the support of the American's and Arabs could still not win against a weaker opponent....shameful and pathetic, however at least he died like a common criminal

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Give me proof that the UAE supported Pakistan's stance on Kashmir in the last 10 years?

They didn't invite the prime minister of India.



Pakistan–United Arab Emirates relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, I think you didn't follow the events.



10 April 2015
Pakistan parliament backs neutrality in Yemen conflict
Pakistan parliament backs neutrality in Yemen conflict - Al Jazeera English



11april 2015
UAE warns Pakistan it could pay 'heavy price for ambiguous stand' on Yemen crisis
UAE warns Pakistan it could pay 'heavy price for ambiguous stand' on Yemen crisis - The Times of India





18 August 2015
Modi steps into Pakistan-UAE breach
Modi steps into Pakistan-UAE breach  - Pakistan - DAWN.COM


20 August 2015
Narendra Modi's UAE visit a wake-up call for Pakistan`
`Narendra Modi's UAE visit a wake-up call for Pakistan` | Zee News


3 sep 2015
UAE expresses commitment to implement outcomes of Narendra Modi's visit
UAE expresses commitment to implement outcomes of Narendra Modi's visit - The Economic Times

 

[Viper0011.]

22 UAE soldiers killed in Yemen fighting.

RIP to the dead soldiers. The UAE should pay for Indian soldiers deployment, and send them in to fight for the UAE as both Modi and the UAE want to form a strategic alliance.

In future the countries will fight far less to each other as they will tend to settle there dispute on table but alliances of countries will keep fighting violent ideologies like talibans, al qaeda, ISIS and its not possible to defeat the ideology through arms only

Will you please add a few names of Hindu terrorist organizations also, who've killed millions of minorities inside India, for decades? That way, the above list of terrorist organizations would have a complete inventory of the entire world's terrorism related mess and sponsors. Thank you.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Yes, a "paper tiger army" that ran havoc against Iran (a 3 times bigger neighbor with a much bigger population) and which was considered as one of the most powerful armies at that time period in the world.

Even in that war Iraq was supported by the West ! the war itself took a heavy toll on Iraqis! It's inventory although looked big but it was all downgraded stuff or just poorly trained soldiers !

Who played no role at the end of the day. No combat. The only battle "in that war" was the Battle of Khafji.

So why did you ask them in the first place? They came to KSA to help her in case of a war isnt that right?

That's the only example you can give (which is laughable in the wider picture) along with a few Pakistani pilots during the Arab-Israeli wars.

More laughable was the result of that war .

That's nowhere near (not even close) to what I have read of claims here form a minority of Pakistanis.

im not here to defend anybody nor am U obliged to!

No more than a few 100 people overall and far from the only ones. Armies across the world cooperate and have done so (in the case of KSA) since it's founding.

that just made zero sense.

No, they were not as there were no actual war. The world powers (USA mainly as they played a vital role) acted upon their own due to own interests not out of love. Pakistan did not play any role in that "war". Only sending a few thousands troops through the UN who never actually fought.

Im not sure if PAKISTAN even has a strategic alliance with tiny Kuwait (whose troops were also train)... These are countries that can't even protect themselves for that matter.

Tomorrow if KSA sends 10.000 troops to Pakistan because India is about to invade it but those troops never actually fight would any sane person then claim that "KSA fought for Pakistan"? The answer is rightly no.

Well for one atleast we would be grateful if that happened... because in reality no states does that unless those states have some very deep ties... How many countries do you see sending troops to protect a friendly country during such sensitive times in which war is unpredictable ?

I don't bother with this discussion as it is laughable in my eyes.

So in the end you have a few Pakistani pilots participating in the Arab-Israeli wars (a tiny percentage overall), a few thousand troops in Jordan fighting the PLO (Jordan 1 Arab country out of 22) and then a few hundred instructors in KSA and some other Arab countries and deployments never bigger than 15.000 who never actually thought.

If that equals some of the absurd myths that we hear from some of your compatriots here and elsewhere then we live on another planet.

Besides no sane person would compare a 180 million big Pakistan with 8 million big Jordan (the only Arab country where your troops actually fought outside of those few pilots in the Arab-Israeli wars (not all of them even).

Anyway this has nothing to do with the topic and I already correctly concluded that both KSA + other Arab countries and Pakistan have helped each other mutually throughout history.

Pak sending pilots was a symbolic thing ... How many times have any arabs sent even a token force to PAKISTAN to fight our wars ? After all there are 450 million arabs right?


A few pics of Pak mil training our Saudi friends in KSA;

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Besides the Jordan + PLO fight (Jordanian civil war) was an internal Jordanian affair (not a fight where Arabs fought against foreigners or two Arab countries fought against each other) otherwise known as the Black September was done by Jordanians. Only a few Pakistani generals took part. No organized support from the Pakistani army occurred as there were no Pakistani units present in Jordan at that time. Zia-ul-haq and a few other Pakistani army officers where there to train the Jordanian army under the overall assistance of American (MAP) programme in the use of American M-47/48 Patton tanks that were also being used by the Pakistani army.

There is no proof from what I know that the Pakistani army asked them or allowed them to be part of Black September. Mind you this took place between 1970-1971.

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So even the notion that Pakistanis have fought a single war for Arabs (actual battle combat) is dubious unless a few generals and a handful of instructors amounts to that or a few Pakistani pilots in the Arab-Israeli wars (not all of them too).

So we are left with instructors (the Western ones played a much bigger role and the same Western instructors (British ones) kickstarted the Pakistani army) and deployment of troops to KSA that never actually fought. In any case there is no point of this dick contest to occur as both parties have helped each other and that should be the highlight here.

Nor is there a need for Pakistani or any other troops in Yemen today. Arab leaders should deal with this and Arab armies which they are perfectly capable of. Not foreigners.

@DESERT FIGHTER

Has 180 million big Pakistan ever asked for instance 8 million big Jordan to send any pilots to Pakistan in its fight against Taliban for instance?

I would personally have nothing against sending Saudi Arabian pilots to Pakistan for such missions. Yet I am not the decision maker. A few hundred people (at most) make all the decisions in KSA and most militaries and countries.

 

[Rasengan]

They didn't invite the prime minister of India.

Pakistan–United Arab Emirates relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No offence brother, however nobody uses Wikipedia as a reference tool. However even if I was to accept this link, where does it say that UAE has supported Pakistan's stance on Kashmir in the last 10 years. To be frank, supporting our cause in 1971 means shit now days because the calendar year is 2015.

Now, I think you didn't follow the events.

10 April 2015
Pakistan parliament backs neutrality in Yemen conflict
Pakistan parliament backs neutrality in Yemen conflict - Al Jazeera English

11april 2015
UAE warns Pakistan it could pay 'heavy price for ambiguous stand' on Yemen crisis
UAE warns Pakistan it could pay 'heavy price for ambiguous stand' on Yemen crisis - The Times of India


When was the last time an Arab solder was in Kashmir fighting against the Indians...the answer is never because this Arabs love to use people and only use the concept of ummah for their interests. Thus why should we send our solders to protect them. Also since 2008-09 India has been one of the largest trading partners of UAE, which was way before Modi took office as Prime Minister of India. Thank God we as a country had the courage to slam the door in the face to Arabs who thought that they could use us. They will know the heavy price soon, if they continuously give us empty threats and not to mention how they have funded and helped the balouch resistance against the State of Pakistan.

Pakistan’s long history of fighting Saudi Arabia’s wars - The Washington Post

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Ironically even tiny UAEs military was established with help from PAKISTAN... UAEs Armor Training School for example was established by Pak Army.... Mae even had War veterans who trained Jordanians,Syrians,Emiratis etc etc pilots.. Including members of UAEs royal family (the nephew of the than UAE monarch)...

Besides the Jordan + PLO fight (Jordanian civil war) was an internal Jordanian affair (not a fight where Arabs fought against foreigners or two Arab countries fought against each other) otherwise known as the Black September was done by Jordanians. Only a few Pakistani generals took part. No organized support from the Pakistani army occurred as there were no Pakistani units present in Jordan at that time. Zia-ul-haq and a few other Pakistani army officers where there to train the Jordanian army under the overall assistance of American (MAP) programme in the use of American M-47/48 Patton tanks that were also being used by the Pakistani army.

There is no proof from what I know that the Pakistani army asked them or allowed them to be part of Black September. Mind you this took place between 1970-1971.

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So even the notion that Pakistanis have fought a single war for Arabs (actual battle combat) is dubious unless a few generals and a handful of instructors amounts to that or a few Pakistani pilots in the Arab-Israeli wars (not all of them too).

So we are left with instructors (the Western ones played a much bigger role and the same Western instructors (British ones) kickstarted the Pakistani army) and deployment of troops to KSA that never actually fought. In any case there is no point of this dick contest to occur as both parties have helped each other and that should be the highlight here.

Nor is there a need for Pakistani or any other troops in Yemen today. Arab leaders should deal with this and Arab armies which they are perfectly capable of. Not foreigners.

@DESERT FIGHTER

Has 180 million big Pakistan ever asked for instance 8 million big Jordan to send any pilots to Pakistan in its fight against Taliban for instance?

I would personally have nothing against sending Saudi Arabian pilots to Pakistan for such missions. Yet I am not the decision maker. A few hundred people (at most) make all the decisions in KSA and most militaries and countries.

Black September was undertaken by only 1 Pak Army Brigadier (later president) Zia his brigade took on the PLO...

Also I'm not sure why you think that we have no fight for you... We have had historic relations with GCC states ... The former commie/socialist states (I.E, Egypt,Iraq etc) were infact Pro india and anti Pak...!


So shrb you ask how many wars Pak has fought for you .. Tell us how many have you even fought and if Pak didn't support you?


Aa for Jordan sending pilots etc.. In not sure if any arab state asked Pak to send volunteers in arab israel war either?


For more ... Here is a lil something you might be interested in reading...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Ironically even tiny UAEs military was established with help from PAKISTAN... UAEs Armor Training School for example was established by Pak Army.... Mae even had War veterans who trained Jordanians,Syrians,Emiratis etc etc pilots.. Including members of UAEs royal family (the nephew of the than UAE monarch)...

Buddy UAE is one of the least populated Arab countries and one of the smallest. Actually it's not that small in terms of land area but most of the UAE is desert with some of the country being mountainous. Pakistan is 10 times as big as UAE.
There are only 2-3 million natives today as well. When the UAE military was founded WAY back you can imagine how much smaller the population of the country was. Yes, HELPED. Along with numerous of other countries Arab as non-Arab. None of which helped the UAE for free.

I don't see anything strange about that considering that 180 million big Pakistan is one of the main military powers of the world and moreover quickly was forced into wars with its much stronger neighbor shortly after its foundation in 1947. When has small UAE in comparison ever fought against anyone? I mean comparing UAE and Pakistan to begin with makes no sense at all. It's like comparing all of Pakistan with the population of Rawalpindi.

Let's be serious here for once and just realize that both Pakistan and many Arab countries (actually only a handful of Arab countries have had such ties with Pakistan in their history) have helped each other mutually on various fronts?

But yes, I would love to see Arab soldiers from for instance KSA, Egypt, Morocco, Iraq, Oman (just examples) fighting against Taliban hand in hand with Pakistan. Or against other threats and vice versa occasionally or when needed. Do I or all other Arabs (outside of the ruling families and the leading military generals and officers) decide whether to do that or not? I have no say.

@DESERT FIGHTER

I have never claimed that Arabs fought any wars for Pakistan. We did not but neither did you unless you consider sending a few Pakistani pilots during the Arab-Israeli wars + Zia-al-haq's role in Black September, sending instructors and deploying troops to KSA that never fought as "fighting warS" for Arabs. You helped certain Arab countries military because this is what you could most help with while Arabs helped you in other ways. Of course your military help to those countries is much greater than the military help the other way around but what could Jordan + KSA or UAE help you with militarily in the 1960's that you did not already possess yourself? The answer is nothing that I can think of. On the other hand had the Arab world been 1 single country this would be a totally different discussion but it is not.

@DESERT FIGHTER see my last edit just above. Hope you understand.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

it is a part of war taking losses and everyone know that .respect to the UAE soldiers who are willing to give their life in service of their nation
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