2015: Pakistans new weapon procurments.

[Super Falcon]

Bhai small arms G 3 MP 5 phele badalo ALLAH ke waste ab to terrorist bhi use nahe karta

 

[Zarvan]

Bhai small arms G 3 MP 5 phele badalo ALLAH ke waste ab to terrorist bhi use nahe karta

G3 is dam good and MP5 is still used by many Special Forces around the world Pakistan has done major changes to G3 to fulfill there needs

 

[Wolf]

1) If possible S 400 from russians or its chinese version.
2) one squadron of fc 31 or 2 squadrons of J 16s (bomber truck)
3) three qing class submarines.

If not all atleast go for S 400.

This is what we should get however what we may get this year will probably include mi 35s, jf 17 block IIs, J 10s

 

[Super Falcon]

Yes but i still think we must move forward by inducting licensed HK 416 and please all of u be little realistic gold mine in chinute has been found i hope 3 half if we use to buy we buy lot of good weapons dont forget C 130 is also getting clise to retite in few years time

 

[Imtiaz_Sarwar]

Before we buy something we need money in our pocket. Lets hope Pakistan's economy improves so we have more cash to buy weapons. At the same time we should be thinking of high tech. exports.

 

[nadeemkhan110]

WASHINGTON: The United States has handed over 14 combat aircraft, 59 military trainer jets and 374 armoured personnel carriers to Pakistan
Technically, these weapons are classified as “Excessive Defence Articles”, i.e. equipment used by the US forces, which can be supplied to allied nations at withdrawal instead of shipping them back to the United States.
The weapons include F-16 armaments including 500 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; 1,450 2,000-pound bombs; 500 JDAM Tail Kits for gravity bombs; and 1,600 Enhanced Paveway laser-guided kits. All this has cost Pakistan $629 million.
Pakistan has also paid $298 million for 100 harpoon anti-ship missiles, 500 sidewinder air-to-air missiles ($95 million); and seven Phalanx Close-In Weapons System naval guns ($80 million).
Under Coalition Support Funds (in the Pentagon budget), Pakistan received 26 Bell 412EP utility helicopters, along with related parts and maintenance, valued at $235 million.
Pakistan is also receiving military equipment with a mix of its national funds and America’s foreign military funding.
These include 60 Mid-Life Update kits for F-16A/B combat aircraft (valued at $891 million, with $477 million of this in FMF).
Pakistan has purchased 45 such kits, with all upgrades completed to date. This include 115 M-109 self-propelled howitzers ($87 million, with$53 million in FMF).

WASHINGTON: The United States has handed over 14 combat aircraft, 59 military trainer jets and 374 armoured personnel carriers to Pakistan
Technically, these weapons are classified as “Excessive Defence Articles”, i.e. equipment used by the US forces, which can be supplied to allied nations at withdrawal instead of shipping them back to the United States.
The weapons include F-16 armaments including 500 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; 1,450 2,000-pound bombs; 500 JDAM Tail Kits for gravity bombs; and 1,600 Enhanced Paveway laser-guided kits. All this has cost Pakistan $629 million.
Pakistan has also paid $298 million for 100 harpoon anti-ship missiles, 500 sidewinder air-to-air missiles ($95 million); and seven Phalanx Close-In Weapons System naval guns ($80 million).
Under Coalition Support Funds (in the Pentagon budget), Pakistan received 26 Bell 412EP utility helicopters, along with related parts and maintenance, valued at $235 million.
Pakistan is also receiving military equipment with a mix of its national funds and America’s foreign military funding.
These include 60 Mid-Life Update kits for F-16A/B combat aircraft (valued at $891 million, with $477 million of this in FMF).
Pakistan has purchased 45 such kits, with all upgrades completed to date. This include 115 M-109 self-propelled howitzers ($87 million, with$53 million in FMF).

US hands over used combat aircraft, other weapons - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[Viper0011.]

With all the rumors going on about j-10, Qing class submarines .Chinese z-10 Attack helicopters and mi-35.
Please share any related authentic information regarding new purchases of Pakistan defense forces.

I am going to give you guys some good news and some not so good news (about SAMS). I think long range SAMS in numbers should have been a priority one.

- Chinese subs are confirmed and diplomatically discussed with the big boys about Pakistan having the need for a second strike platform for her needs and defense (this conversation was repeated a couple of weeks ago between Ms. Rice and NS).

- Chinese Z's are confirmed, some new features need to be added. Pakistan is discussing options, such as internal assembly, TOT and to what degree of TOT, based on Pakistan's internal industry being able to manufacture parts, etc. The military can't continue to build and run manufacturing plants like they did with the JFT.

Not enough engineering or technical soldiers readily available there and the military is also stretched too thin. They are hoping that when HAER's plants start production, within a year after that they'll take a portion of that trained labor with semi-conductor assembly and integration experience, and will use it on certain weapons parts manufacturing plants setup by the private manufacturers (a few large investor groups have already started to allocate land and facilities designs, etc).

- J-10 B is a backup option. Currently, the J-11D has come up a lot in discussions. The PAF is wanting separation from Naval responsibilities and wants to establish either a couple of squadrons dedicated to Naval defense, or let the Navy come up with a dedicated Naval air-arm. So I'd imagine J-11D would be a better option. But if the Chinese sweeten the price tag on J-10B with AESA and all, obviously, it would make more sense to get those in more numbers than limited J-11D's.

- More -16's are on the cards as well. Discussions have taken place to exercise 18 new block 52 jets, along with acquiring used -16's. The issue is, manufacturing and delivery time for the Block 52 would go out to 2018-2019, and the JFT block III are supposed to start to come out sometime around mid-late 2017. So they may acquire used -16's as they expect that the JFT block III would be a different plane and will have medium multi-role capability, providing close to 80% block 52 capability with 40% of the price. Which then helps in procuring more numbers of J-11D's or J-10's with some TOT of-course.

- Additional Radar and Avionics manufacturing will start to take place too (including a couple of additional AWACS for the PAF on Indonesian CN platforms). Pakistan based Radars might surface for the export market from the tech and experience gained from the Chinese AWACS (AESA), which will be converted over to ground based radar development and integration (much easier than actually participating in creating a flying AEW radar).

- SAM systems and TOT: being discussed. No decisions yet. The military doesn't want JUST FD-2000 from the Chinese, they have talked to the US about Patriot PAC3's. The US wanted to provide PAC-2's but PA doesn't want that. There is an expectation that the Chinese are further modifying long range SAMS. Hopefully, that would settle somehow.

- The largest issue is to kick off the economy and eliminate the electric outages so the businesses can get busy, the investors can start to pour the money in, and these defense related industries can work on three shifts. This would start to get ironed out by something in 2017.

The saving account would by then, have around $ 25-30 billion in it, which would allow serious investments in the defense sector. Then you'll see a rapid procurement of a few things, almost immediately. Starting late 2017, early 2018, you'll see significant amount of assembly based defense acquisitions on the table, with TOT. Pakistan wants to become a serious military industrial complex.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

I am going to give you guys some good news and some not so good news (about SAMS). I think long range SAMS in numbers should have been a priority one.

- Chinese subs are confirmed and diplomatically discussed with the big boys about Pakistan having the need for a second strike platform for her needs and defense (this conversation was repeated a couple of weeks ago between Ms. Rice and NS).

- Chinese Z's are confirmed, some new features need to be added. Pakistan is discussing options, such as internal assembly, TOT and to what degree of TOT, based on Pakistan's internal industry being able to manufacture parts, etc. The military can't continue to build and run manufacturing plants like they did with the JFT.

Not enough engineering or technical soldiers readily available there and the military is also stretched too thin. They are hoping that when HAER's plants start production, within a year after that they'll take a portion of that trained labor in semi-conductor assembly and integration experience, and will use it on certain weapons parts manufacturing plants setup by the private manufacturers (a few large investor groups have already started to allocate land and facilities designs, etc).

- J-10 B is a backup option. Currently, the J-11D has come up a lot in discussions. The PAF is wanting separation from Naval responsibilities and wants to establish either a couple of squadrons dedicated to Naval defense, or let the Navy come up with a dedicated Naval air-arm. So I'd imagine J-11D would be a better option. But if the Chinese sweeten the price tag on J-10B with AESA and all, obviously, it would make more sense to get those in more numbers than limited J-11D's.

- More -16's are on the cards as well. Discussions have taken place to exercise 18 new block 52 jets, along with acquiring used -16's. The issue is, manufacturing and delivery time for the Block 52 would go out to 2018-2019, and the JFT block III are supposed to start to come out sometime around mid-late 2017. So they may acquire used -16's as they expect that the JFT block III would be a different plane and will have medium multi-role capability, providing close to 80% block 52 capability with 40% of the price. Which then helps in procuring more numbers of J-11D's or J-10's with some TOT of-course.

- Additional Radar and Avionics manufacturing will start to take place too (including a couple of additional AWACS for the PAF on Indonesian CN platforms). Pakistan based Radars might surface for the export market from the tech and experience gained from the Chinese AWACS (AESA), which will be converted over to ground based radar development and integration (much easier than actually participating in creating a flying AEW radar).

- SAM systems and TOT: being discussed. No decisions yet. The military doesn't want JUST FD-2000 from the Chinese, they have talked to the US about Patriot PAC3's. The US wanted to provide PAC-2's but PA doesn't want that. There is an expectation that the Chinese are further modifying long range SAMS. Hopefully, that would settle somehow.

- The largest issue is to kick off the economy and eliminate the electric outages so the businesses can get busy, the investors can start to pour the money in, and these defense related industries can work on three shifts. This would start to get ironed out by something in 2017.

The saving account would by then, have around $ 25-30 billion in it, which would allow serious investments in the defense sector. Then you'll see a rapid procurement of a few things, almost immediately. Starting late 2017, early 2018, you'll see significant amount of assembly based defense acquisitions on the table, with TOT. Pakistan wants to become a serious military industrial complex.

are you really sure about all this?

 

[Viper0011.]

are you really sure about all this?

If you follow my posts.....I've written stuff happening almost real time. I don't write unless I know and know with facts. If I don't know something, I'll say it to your face or won't even comment.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

If you follow my posts.....I've written stuff happening almost real time. I don't write unless I know and know with facts. If I don't know something, I'll say it to your face or won't even comment.

I know... just confirming about all these

Anything about Frigates?

 

[Viper0011.]

1) If possible S 400 from russians or its chinese version.
2) one squadron of fc 31 or 2 squadrons of J 16s (bomber truck)
3) three qing class submarines.
If not all atleast go for S 400.
This is what we should get however what we may get this year will probably include mi 35s, jf 17 block IIs, J 10s

I don't know for a fact on this, but I have a serious feeling that Pakistan may go towards the Russian route on SAM's and get S-400 and TOR-M1, or TOR-M1 as mid tier and high may become some Chinese advance system based on AESA tracking, illumination and FC radars? This is just guessing on my part, but it kind of makes sense.

The submarines will be 6-8, not 3. 2 of them will be "HEAVY" if you know that term. JFT is obviously a local program without any stopping. Mi's are on way too. They'll probably grow to 12-20 in numbers in the next a couple of years.

Anything about Frigates?

Not sure to be honest. I knew Pakistan had a contract with the Chinese to produce 6 or 8, half of them were in Karachi shipyards? I know there were discussions to acquire two used ones from the USN (USN is about to replace a few more with newer generation ships). But not sure where all that stands at this time.

@Horus @Oscar @MastanKhan @kaonalpha : anyone knows what the status is on PN getting frigates? previous orders or new ones done, being developed, etc?

 

[MastanKhan]

I don't know for a fact on this, but I have a serious feeling that Pakistan may go towards the Russian route on SAM's and get S-400 and TOR-M1, or TOR-M1 as mid tier and high may become some Chinese advance system based on AESA tracking, illumination and FC radars? This is just guessing on my part, but it kind of makes sense.

The submarines will be 6-8, not 3. 2 of them will be "HEAVY" if you know that term. JFT is obviously a local program without any stopping. Mi's are on way too. They'll probably grow to 12-20 in numbers in the next a couple of years.



Not sure to be honest. I knew Pakistan had a contract with the Chinese to produce 6 or 8, half of them were in Karachi shipyards? I know there were discussions to acquire two used ones from the USN (USN is about to replace a few more with newer generation ships). But not sure where all that stands at this time.

@Horus @Oscar @MastanKhan @kaonalpha : anyone knows what the status is on PN getting frigates? previous orders or new ones done, being developed, etc?

Hi,

Thank you for your post----. This is excellent information----should encourage the Pakistanis. I do not know about the frigates----but I do not want to say much about the other issues because I let intentionally or un-intentionally let slip out some information awhile ago.

 

[Thorough Pro]

There is absolutely no need for sharing such specific information on the forum.

I am going to give you guys some good news and some not so good news (about SAMS). I think long range SAMS in numbers should have been a priority one.

- Chinese subs are confirmed and diplomatically discussed with the big boys about Pakistan having the need for a second strike platform for her needs and defense (this conversation was repeated a couple of weeks ago between Ms. Rice and NS).

- Chinese Z's are confirmed, some new features need to be added. Pakistan is discussing options, such as internal assembly, TOT and to what degree of TOT, based on Pakistan's internal industry being able to manufacture parts, etc. The military can't continue to build and run manufacturing plants like they did with the JFT.

Not enough engineering or technical soldiers readily available there and the military is also stretched too thin. They are hoping that when HAER's plants start production, within a year after that they'll take a portion of that trained labor with semi-conductor assembly and integration experience, and will use it on certain weapons parts manufacturing plants setup by the private manufacturers (a few large investor groups have already started to allocate land and facilities designs, etc).

- J-10 B is a backup option. Currently, the J-11D has come up a lot in discussions. The PAF is wanting separation from Naval responsibilities and wants to establish either a couple of squadrons dedicated to Naval defense, or let the Navy come up with a dedicated Naval air-arm. So I'd imagine J-11D would be a better option. But if the Chinese sweeten the price tag on J-10B with AESA and all, obviously, it would make more sense to get those in more numbers than limited J-11D's.

- More -16's are on the cards as well. Discussions have taken place to exercise 18 new block 52 jets, along with acquiring used -16's. The issue is, manufacturing and delivery time for the Block 52 would go out to 2018-2019, and the JFT block III are supposed to start to come out sometime around mid-late 2017. So they may acquire used -16's as they expect that the JFT block III would be a different plane and will have medium multi-role capability, providing close to 80% block 52 capability with 40% of the price. Which then helps in procuring more numbers of J-11D's or J-10's with some TOT of-course.

- Additional Radar and Avionics manufacturing will start to take place too (including a couple of additional AWACS for the PAF on Indonesian CN platforms). Pakistan based Radars might surface for the export market from the tech and experience gained from the Chinese AWACS (AESA), which will be converted over to ground based radar development and integration (much easier than actually participating in creating a flying AEW radar).

- SAM systems and TOT: being discussed. No decisions yet. The military doesn't want JUST FD-2000 from the Chinese, they have talked to the US about Patriot PAC3's. The US wanted to provide PAC-2's but PA doesn't want that. There is an expectation that the Chinese are further modifying long range SAMS. Hopefully, that would settle somehow.

- The largest issue is to kick off the economy and eliminate the electric outages so the businesses can get busy, the investors can start to pour the money in, and these defense related industries can work on three shifts. This would start to get ironed out by something in 2017.

The saving account would by then, have around $ 25-30 billion in it, which would allow serious investments in the defense sector. Then you'll see a rapid procurement of a few things, almost immediately. Starting late 2017, early 2018, you'll see significant amount of assembly based defense acquisitions on the table, with TOT. Pakistan wants to become a serious military industrial complex.

 

[BordoEnes]

The thing that boggles my mind more then anything else is why Pakistan stil didnt build/develop a proper MRAP considering its costs-effectiveness and price compared to a new work horse tank. Pakistan and Turkey should do a Joint Venture in this field, or at the very least open a production line in Pakistan like we did in Khazakstan.

 

[Super Falcon]

G 3 AUR MP 5 hi replace kardo tu bhi bhot ha