2014 is not 1962 - Indian Much Better Prepared for Chinese Challenge

[SpArK]

A few thousand men in a few weeks time of conflict without any involvement of airforce or navy or regular army but a single division cannot be catagorized as an actual war.

Its just a confrontation.

 

[timetravel]

many facts prove that IA coudn't stand a single blow by PLA in 1962. If you feel itchy this time again, then sorry we have to let it happen again.

Withstand? haha.

and for FACTS: PLA back in bunkers, IA gets Sikkim for India, IA also has AP, IA pummels PLA in Nathu LA.

Other then fake showoff, there is nothing in substance done by PLA. PLA needs to recover lot of ground before being considered as capable enough to take on IA.

What has PLA gained ever?

That's why he is lame to the most. How China won't fight back while you build hundreds of post along the borer and erosed our land? This is the most funny excuse that i ever come across. Go tell it to Pakistanis.

Nehru made mistake in trusting China. Agreed. and mistakes do happen. But to correct you. In your earlier post you didn't call Nehru lame. You called Tibetan soldiers as Lame.

****How can you count on those lame Tibetan soldiers *****

 

[vsdave2302]

Show me the photo.

What nonsense???

What Photo will prove?

After all you guys are wishfull thinker and deny the reliable referencae and you want other to believe what you say without any reference.

many facts prove that IA coudn't stand a single blow by PLA in 1962. If you feel itchy this time again, then sorry we have to let it happen again.

One of the fact is the wishful thinking of @wanglaokan, and other fact is wishful thinking of @Chinese dragon and so no....... The fact list extends to infinite......

Sometimes i just curious about the real combat ability of the Indian soldiers, maybe 1962 is a hallucination?

You should be more curious about PLA's combat abilities which was humiliated by small country like vietnam and japan.

 

[帅的一匹]

Withstand? haha.

and for FACTS: PLA back in bunkers, IA gets Sikkim for India, IA also has AP, IA pummels PLA in Nathu LA.

Other then fake showoff, there is nothing in substance done by PLA. PLA needs to recover lot of ground before being considered as capable enough to take on IA.

What has PLA gained ever?



Nehru made mistake in trusting China. Agreed. and mistakes do happen. But to correct you. In your earlier post you didn't call Nehru lame. You called Tibetan soldiers as Lame.

oh come on, Nehru is not a saint. He shall be punished in hell for what he had done. called backstabbing? or blinded by aspiration.

 

[kyle Chiang]

You have not held on to any area. Chumur also you went back. 1962 also you went back. While India has made handsome gains in Sikkim. From 1962 onwards IA has got more in terms of actual results on the ground then PLA.

Also today IA is better entrenched and better suited for mountain war then PLA. IA also enjoys total support from people of Bhutan and Nepal, and great support from inside Tibet.

So overall IA has a lot more chance of winning a border war with China, then PLA has against IA. its based on facts, and not chest thumping (based on 62) or over nationalism.

Although I am a pacifist against war,I have to say you are really too optimistic for IA.
In 1962,India had support from both USA and SU,you lost the game.At that time,China was under chaos and famine.

Nowadays,IA become more powerful,so is PLA.

If we remember the pain of war,we'd better value peace life and refuse wasting blood of any Indian or Chinese soldier.

 

[帅的一匹]

A few thousand men in a few weeks time of conflict without any involvement of airforce or navy or regular army but a single division cannot be catagorized as an actual war.

Its just a confrontation.

Its minimal conflict, said IA is gonna win the war if IAF attended the conflict?

Although I am a pacifist against war,I have to say you are really too optimistic for IA.
In 1962,India had support from both USA and SU,you lost the game.At that time,China was under chaos and famine.

Nowadays,IA become more powerful,so is PLA.

If we remember the pain of war,we'd better value peace life and refuse wasting blood of any Indian or Chinese.

The weakest China in 1962 defeat the strongest IA, what you say?

 

[SpArK]

Its minimal conflict, said IA is gonna win the war if IAF attended the conflict?

Its still minimal conflict.

To cite the example Indian strength in 1965 was 700,000 and in 1971 was 500,000... This is called an actual War.

Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1962 strength was just 10000. Its called conflict.

Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China-1 India-0

In 1967 similar conflict happened Chola incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China-1 India -1

 

[timetravel]

oh come on, Nehru is not a saint. He shall be punished in hell for what he had done. called backstabbing? or blinded by aspiration.

So the Chinese backstabbed, and Nehru was no saint, and made mistake of not seeing past Chinese deception. I don't care he is punished in hell or not.

Although I am a pacifist against war,I have to say you are really too optimistic for IA.
In 1962,India had support from both USA and SU,you lost the game.At that time,China was under chaos and famine.

Nowadays,IA become more powerful,so is PLA.

If we remember the pain of war,we'd better value peace life and refuse wasting blood of any Indian or Chinese soldier.

I agree there should be no war. Infact I strongly support strong relations b/w India, Pakistan, China and Russia.

The support from US, SU was only in name. It was never utilized. PLA withdrew before any kind of support could be summoned. Though No doubt PLA would have lost if the support had materialized.

I am not overoptimistic about IA. IA is the most battle hardened force in world right now. Though PLA is a also a big and strong Army, but credit where due must be given. IA right now undoubtedly is the best military in world.

The weakest China in 1962 defeat the strongest IA, what you say?

now whatever happened to day dreaming, and yes India was a super power in 1962.

 

[帅的一匹]

India is a supa powa back in1962?

 

[SpArK]

India is a supa powa back in1962?

Indioa bos niet supa powa bock in ninetoon sixoty tueiwww.

 

[Shinigami]

indian army of1962 consisted of a few 1000 men armed with sticks and stones against a massive PLA human wave that outnumbered it 25:1 initially and 10:1 towards the end. nobody should face those odds


In the words of a pakistani analyst:


Till 1965 Pakistan Army keeping in view its equipment and training was relatively superior to the Indian Army.India under Nehru was a peaceful country but the Sino-Indian Conflict of 1962 transformed the whole scenario.Thus while Indian Army had by and large registered no major expansion since 1947 after 1962 the Indians embarked on a highly ambitious expansion programme.It was Pakistan’s good luck that in 1965 this process was at a very rudimentary stage, however by 1971 the whole strategic scenario had changed


But, The Indians who had guns and ammo killed a lot of chinese

‘Nobody believed we had killed so many Chinese at Rezang La. Our commander called me crazy and warned that I could be court-martialled’ - Indian Express


Suddenly, it seems to have pulled a rabbit out of the hat. After a period of seeming impotence during the earlier part of the Bangla Desh crisis, which was perhaps the most critical period of our history, the Indian armed forces executed, within the brief period of 12 days, the most decisive liberation campaign in military history-giving a nation of 75 million people its independence in one lightning strike. Operating in one of the most difficult terrains in the world-in which the few existing national highways and railway systems had been disrupted by their insurgent allies-Indian forces, moving with incredible swiftness, brought a formidable enemy to his knees and took 93,000 of them prisoner.Foreign observers have compared this achievement of the Indian armed forces to the German Blitzkrieg of the Second World War. The Sunday Times of London, which had reporters on all the fronts, wrote on 12 December, "It took only 12 days for the Indian Army to smash its way to Dacca, an achievement reminiscent of the German Blitzkrieg across France in 1940. The strategy was the same: speed, ferocity and flexibility." The previously rated second-class military machine of a developing country had planned, directed, managed and executed an operation of incredible complexity with consummate skill and sophistication.- See more at: The Lightning Campaign The Indo-Pakistan War, 1971 : Printsasia.com


Compared to the Indian Army, which is arguably the world’s most battle hardened military, the PLA is relatively inexperienced, with limited exposure to wars over the last 50 years, save for the one with Vietnam in 1979, from where it retreated in ignominy, besides some border skirmishes with India. Indian Army’ professionalism and mastery of the entire spectrum of conflicts, ranging from decades of counter-insurgency and guerrilla style operations to four wars with Pakistan, including Kargil, in a diversity of terrains and climatic conditions, remains unsurpassed.

China also invaded Vietnam in February 1979, provoked by the latter’s intervention in Cambodia to end Pol Pot’s reign of brutality and genocide. Employing massive “human wave” tactics, backed by artillery support and armoured columns, the PLA advanced some 20 km into its territory. Far from diverting its Cambodia-based army regulars, Vietnam rallied its second rung yet battle-tested border guards and local militias.

2014 Is Not 1962: India Much Better Prepared For Chinese Challenge - Analysis - Eurasia Review

 

[SpArK]

Compared to the Indian Army, which is arguably the world’s most battle hardened military, the PLA is relatively inexperienced, with limited exposure to wars over the last 50 years, save for the one with Vietnam in 1979, from where it retreated in ignominy, besides some border skirmishes with India. Indian Army’ professionalism and mastery of the entire spectrum of conflicts, ranging from decades of counter-insurgency and guerrilla style operations to four wars with Pakistan, including Kargil, in a diversity of terrains and climatic conditions, remains unsurpassed.

Ouch !

That hurts. Stop it.

 

[Shinigami]

Ouch !

That hurts. Stop it.

armed insurgencies may be bad for the country, but they do contribute to military experiance

 

[Established_1965]

China lacks in real Battle experience when compared to other asian countries like pakistan, india but China is trying to compensate lack of experience with equipments.

When was the last time China went to a battle in last 50 years. ??

 

[alonsofff123]

China lacks in real Battle experience when compared to other asian countries like pakistan, india but China is trying to compensate lack of experience with equipments.

When was the last time China went to a battle in last 50 years. ??

1979 & 1984 with Vietnam

how about India?