2 years of the Imran Khan revolution

[volatile]

it was $ 314B.... love how you noonies gloss up things. But even that numbers doesnt factor it was largely import consumption. Like i said your info is limited to what is on the web... we pay good money for good data.. like many investors around the world. Why do you think no body was seriously investing in Pakistan during Noonie king and PeePeePee rule.

what it is now ?

 

[PradoTLC]

I haven't been to Sindh so cant say about that but as far as Punjab is concerned, the PTI will be wiped out completely in the next polls.

how?..

They ie Karachites will vote for PPP?..

why?

are the PPP not the ones protecting the mass murder of the factory fire?..


who do you think is leading the charge of release of the full version of the JIT report?..

this argument about being in Pakistan and we know better is stupid. The same clowns stated that PTI would never win and bcos we are here so we know better!.. really?.. look how that turned out.

 

[nascar 42]

how?..

They ie Karachites will vote for PPP?..

why?

are the PPP not the ones protecting the mass murder of the factory fire?..


who do you think is leading the charge of release of the full version of the JIT report?..

this argument about being in Pakistan and we know better is stupid. The same clowns stated that PTI would never win and bcos we are here so we know better!.. really?.. look how that turned out.

I did not talk about Karachi. Last time I checked, its not part of Punjab.

The pulse of Punjab province is very anti Imran at the moment. That might be unfair as most problems were inherited but it is what it is.

 

[AZ1]

I did not talk about Karachi. Last time I checked, its not part of Punjab.

The pulse of Punjab province is very anti Imran at the moment. That might be unfair as most problems were inherited but it is what it is.

Then welcome another larkana after PTI for sure.

 

[PradoTLC]

Dude everytime you bring this number to your defence. We debunked your numbers in our last conversation.
You seem to be highly uneducated as far as economy is concerned. The numbers you posted in $ are calculated based on subsidized artificial dollar rate, which PLMN maintained by burning 15.5 billion in open markets. These kind of gimmicks can be played on Facebook but not on a forum where more educated people give their opinion.
IF TOMORROW THIS GOVERNMENT PUMPS IN 5 BILLION DOLLARS IN OPEN MARKET THE GDP WILL AGAIN BE AT 330 BILLION $ IN 48 HOURS. WHAT PURPOSE DOES IT ACTUALLY SERVE APART FROM SOOTHING FAKE EGO ON MANIPULATED NUMBERS LIKE DAR DID.
Explained to you earlier in a very detailed conversation unless you reign in the current account deficit and run a genuine surplus your currency won't strengthen. The actual devaluation of rupee occured in plmn term where we were running historic current account deficits.

Dude go easy on him.. they are just brain washed with Maryium media cell..

what he doesnt understand while you can fudge numbers to make something good to a untrained person, there are other tell tale signs that people look into

eg.
> Export numbers
> Unemployment numbers
> number of new business creating value chain goods and services and just importing and selling
etc

if one looks these numbers it was clear noonies were fudging numbers or more accurately what we call "window dressing"..

As simple question is asked: how can you show income be increasing when unemployment is stagnate or negative?..

the reason is simple they just taking loans to finance consumption , keeping rupee artificially high, imports were cheaper, thus a process of steady deindustrialisation kicked in. Thus while on paper the noonie economy looked "good" it was just clever window dressing.

It fooled their noonie supporter base (as they are mainly poorly educated) but not a single international investor, they saw right through this gimmick.

The pulse of Punjab province is very anti Imran at the moment. That might be unfair as most problems were inherited but it is what it is.

true

but that is mainly due to Usman B.. he is one his mistakes.

Having said that they also know Imran is still better than the rest, and they know imran changes and corrects (noonies dont), and he has demonstrated that. Remember this is the same man who kicked alot of PTI long timers for horse trading just before election.

I did not talk about Karachi. Last time I checked, its not part of Punjab.

doesnt change the argument.


if JIT works the way i think it will PPP should be finished

like wise the TT case with Shabaz should bury him good. Nawaz wont be back has he given the money for his release.

The gov. will deny but this is what happened. a mistake but it is what it is.

bottom line nothing will be there to contest him... and then he will take on the mafias and buearucracy once and for all.

what it is now ?

google it..

once again you missed the point. We are talking who started this mess.

take a lesson from Musharraf (the guy who kicked Nawaz's fat rear end) he created real wealth movement, FDI and stability.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Pakistan/Foreign_Direct_Investment/

 

[Dr-who]

There goes again here are some achievements done and for the sake of discussion i will keep 2018 seperate and 2020 seperate. by 2018 during 5 years there were

That will take care of your crap
Between 2018 and 2020 our external debt was increased fromm 73 Billion to 110 Billion where this money has gone ? our debt and liabilities were 29 Trillion Rs in 2018 where as it is touching 44 Trillion Rs .Sugar is selling at 85 plus rupees ,Atta at 55 Rs/Kg from 40 Rs/Kg ,Petroluem levy increased over night by passing , Medicine fraud done billions of rupees .List goes on and on

At least have one


CAA (Civil Aviation Authority issues liscences) where in report they are blamed also the minister statments are contradictory to his belief
Petroleum minister acquitted in fake diploma case
his own case is in Nab


What is the recovered amount till date ? or proven guilty cases ? last time i check all are free from courts

The debt increased in Pti term was used to finance the already worsening current account defecit. To fix that, currency was devalued, import restriction, export promotion(although minimal), removal of subsidies and to offset that cost inflation higher interest rates needed.
The side effect of all this was highest inflation in December(has decreased since then), high interest rates which discouraged investment (since then decreased and more decrease needed)
What know we need is a good savings to gdp & investment to gdp ratio with a stable dollar parity, a stable political environment & stable geo-political atmosphere
I believe we are going in the right direction.

 

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[volatile]

The debt increased in Pti term was used to finance the already worsening current account defecit. To fix that, currency was devalued, import restriction, export promotion(although minimal), removal of subsidies and to offset that cost inflation higher interest rates needed.
The side effect of all this was highest inflation in December(has decreased since then), high interest rates which discouraged investment (since then decreased and more decrease needed)
What know we need is a good savings to gdp & investment to gdp ratio with a stable dollar parity, a stable political environment & stable geo-political atmosphere
I believe we are going in the right direction.

Kindly please note refinancing the debt is on going issue so PTI hasn't done any thing special .Also any debt for economy is not bad unless it is utilized in development activity .e.g When PPP government came into power in 2008, the country's external debt was $45 billion which has now increased to $61.5 billion; which means an enormous increase of $ 16 billion has been added to the mounting burden of public debt . PML N left in 2018 with 90 Billion US$. Where we are currently closed to 110 Billion $ and projected to have 123 Billion US$ by 2023 .So what does it means all debts if utilized properly can achieve growth ,For PML N they have added tremendous infrastructure in 5 years where *** PTI has done nothing ,By the way if they paid PMLN debts then why it is higher then ever before.

e.g 30 Billion PMNL Loan paid by PTI our external debt should shows 60 Billion not 110 Billion US$ .think about it

There is no co relation exist between borrowing and GDP growth of PML shown below by graph

 

[AZ1]

Kindly please note refinancing the debt is on going issue so PTI hasn't done any thing special .Also any debt for economy is not bad unless it is utilized in development activity .e.g When PPP government came into power in 2008, the country's external debt was $45 billion which has now increased to $61.5 billion; which means an enormous increase of $ 16 billion has been added to the mounting burden of public debt . PML N left in 2018 with 90 Billion US$. Where we are currently closed to 110 Billion $ and projected to have 123 Billion US$ by 2023 .So what does it means all debts if utilized properly can achieve growth ,For PML N they have added tremendous infrastructure in 5 years where *** PTI has done nothing ,By the way if they paid PMLN debts then why it is higher then ever before.

e.g 30 Billion PMNL Loan paid by PTI our external debt should shows 60 Billion not 110 Billion US$ .think about it

There is no co relation exist between borrowing and GDP growth of PML shown below by graph

Please highlight infrastructure added by PMLN in 5 years?

 

[Patriot forever]

Kindly please note refinancing the debt is on going issue so PTI hasn't done any thing special .Also any debt for economy is not bad unless it is utilized in development activity .e.g When PPP government came into power in 2008, the country's external debt was $45 billion which has now increased to $61.5 billion; which means an enormous increase of $ 16 billion has been added to the mounting burden of public debt . PML N left in 2018 with 90 Billion US$. Where we are currently closed to 110 Billion $ and projected to have 123 Billion US$ by 2023 .So what does it means all debts if utilized properly can achieve growth ,For PML N they have added tremendous infrastructure in 5 years where *** PTI has done nothing ,By the way if they paid PMLN debts then why it is higher then ever before.

e.g 30 Billion PMNL Loan paid by PTI our external debt should shows 60 Billion not 110 Billion US$ .think about it

There is no co relation exist between borrowing and GDP growth of PML shown below by graph

Nope unless the current account deficit runs into surplus we can never pay back external loans on our own, instead we have to rotate loans.
The difference PTI made was reduction in current account deficit which will help us greatly in reducing loan requirement, if we balance it off hopefully in the next financial year we will only be taking loans to pay of our external loan payment and interest on it.

LOAN REQUIREMENT = EXTERNAL LOAN PRINCIPAL AMOUNT+ INTEREST ON OVERALL EXTERNAL LOAN + CURRENT ACCOUNT DEFICIT.

Currently we need to take more loans than just principal amount payment, we need to take loans to pay of interest as well as to fund current account deficit. It is called debt trap. It is not as linear as you try to portary it, it's common sense.

Hope this clarifies your propaganda.

 

[volatile]

Please highlight infrastructure added by PMLN in 5 years?

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1gCIVWEAsR9xaUkdkv0OhPcAEzkA
follow the link
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/v...SFHcLRCaC0o5tlVZSxEedAwOAYH_dDuV8tbLtto9mcFyA

 

[Patriot forever]

Please highlight infrastructure added by PMLN in 5 years?

Whatever they did was just for political reasons, be it metro train or Quaid e Azam solar or imported fuel plants for kick backs.

The thing is none of these projects are financially viable, they have become a burden as not only gov needs to subsidize them to run them but also make interest payment as well as principal loan repayment. These projects are not even able to cover their running costs.
'White Elephant' is a term especially used for these kind of projects.

 

[AZ1]

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https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1gCIVWEAsR9xaUkdkv0OhPcAEzkA
follow the link
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1VEI36Qo0HnXQbfqiwyZdC8mHhbX2eedW&ll=32.74931099885154,76.47943484375003&z=5&fbclid=IwAR1fFlv-EwznTRSFHcLRCaC0o5tlVZSxEedAwOAYH_dDuV8tbLtto9mcFyA

Haha suki kinari added haha where is that?
See thats why I asked check this now under pti

I am not adding swat motorways and all neither hospitals in kpk and 1 billion trees etc etc.

 

[volatile]

Nope unless the current account deficit runs into surplus we can never pay back external loans on our own, instead we have to rotate loans.
The difference PTI made was reduction in current account deficit which will help us greatly in reducing loan requirement, if we balance it off hopefully in the next financial year we will only be taking loans to pay of our external loan payment and interest on it.

LOAN REQUIREMENT = EXTERNAL LOAN PRINCIPAL AMOUNT+ INTEREST ON OVERALL EXTERNAL LOAN + CURRENT ACCOUNT DEFICIT.

Currently we need to take more loans than just principal amount payment, we need to take loans to pay of interest as well as to fund current account deficit. It is called debt trap. It is not as linear as you try to portary it, it's common sense.

Hope this clarifies your propaganda.

Ok from your point of view where is exports standing now ? one small question how much improvement in $ terms we have seen ? if your answer is aein bein shein that means there is no answer .

 

[AZ1]

Ok from your point of view where is exports standing now ? one small question how much improvement in $ terms we have seen ? if your answer is aein bein shein that means there is no answer .

Pakistan's exports showing signs of recovery
http://tribune.com.pk/story/2253004/pakistans-exports-showing-signs-of-recovery