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Neo said:I couldn't care less what Bangladeshi's have to say...as far as I'm concerned they were traitors.
Lets also hear what they've to say about India now..
Sid said:My take on this is, the side that wins the war always writes the history about it and everyone gladly stands by them, accepting whatever that side has to say.
Same thing happened in this case, because Bangladesh came in to being, the world community accepted whatever version of the war (which meant maligning Pakistan Army troops to exaggerated lengths) Bengalis wanted to portray.
Now, however, its a completely different story as more independant researchers try to gaudge what really happened. Essentially, both sides were equally responsible for what occurred in '71.
Arrow said:You can believe this. But its basically the same as holocaust denial.
I agree that its not easy for any pakistani to admit what their own army did in 71 and the incidents of the time, but there are a variety of excellent books on the topic written by pakistanis- as patriotic as you and as dismayed at what occurred.
sigatoka said:That day will come when the Indian army stops raping woman, and killing civilians in Kashmir and allows a vote of independance as per the U.N. resolution.
I understand it is very difficult for India.
sigatoka said:That day will come when the Indian army stops raping woman, and killing civilians in Kashmir and allows a vote of independance as per the U.N. resolution.
I understand it is very difficult for India.
Arrow said:1. Thank you for your propoganda,
2. The so called insurgency is limited to the Valley & a few areas- Srinagar being the biggest groan zone.
3. Now coming to the original point- you may call Bang's traitors- but note, most Indians dont call Kashmiris as such..
4. Coming to the UN resolutions, well if Pakistan reattaches whatever it snuck off from Azad Kashmir and restores the original ethnic balance, then the conditions for the resolution are met. Otherwise, they are invalid.
5. Now tell me, India doesnt lack all three, Pakistan wont wage war with India over Kashmir...
6. its but a matter of time, before the ordinary Kashmiri separatist rolls over..
Officer of Engineers said:Will you at least get your facts straight?!?!
There will be NO VOTE according to any UNSCR for Kashmire. They've ALL been expired!
Thank you for your propoganda, but trust me its amusing when I see your outrage over a simple basic fact- that if my state & people had even 3% engaged in terrorism, the IA would be parked outside my house. I wouldnt resent it. The fact is that the PA conducted mass depredation with the razakars in WB, and unlike India, they neither had rule of law or NCHR etc to monitor them & unfortunately, your senior leadership- Yahya, Ayub, Niazi behaved in a very unbecoming manner. Such is not the case with India. Do you see Muslim Kashmiris in mass exodus to the rest of India? Hardly. Heck, there are tourists there now.
Rest do not have to give a damn because at this time the insurgency is at its lowest thanks to Pervez Musharraf! When the insurgency is ratchetted up a bit, life will come to a standstill in most of the Indian Kashmir. That is a fact and no matter what you say, it cannot be denied. IA cannot and will not be able to stop the flow of the people coming over from across the border if Pakistani government allows it to happen.The so called insurgency is limited to the Valley & a few areas- Srinagar being the biggest groan zone. Rest dont give a damn.
I am a Pakistani yet I do not consider Bangladeshis traitors...they did what they had to do and unfortunately that took them on a divergent path from the rest of West Pakistan. However there are plenty of Indians who not only consider the Kashmiris as traitors but also the entire Muslim population as the dangerous fifth column.Now coming to the original point- you may call Bang's traitors- but note, most Indians dont call Kashmiris as such..we are still seeking settlement even with the most odious Geelani types..see that is the thing Pakistan is yet to learn - at the end of the day, even the most hardened enemy can be your friend if you reason it out...instead y'all kicked Mujib down. That man was an enthusiastic Pakistani!
Rather simplistic interpretation of events given the fact that there is a resurgence in all movements where Muslims are perceived to be on the receiving end of the equation. Kashmiri liberation/insurgency is about to get really hot if Indians stick to their age old "integral part" blah blah.matter of time, before the ordinary Kashmiri separatist rolls over..
Rest do not have to give a damn because at this time the insurgency is at its lowest thanks to Pervez Musharraf! When the insurgency is ratchetted up a bit, life will come to a standstill in most of the Indian Kashmir. That is a fact and no matter what you say, it cannot be denied. IA cannot and will not be able to stop the flow of the people coming over from across the border if Pakistani government allows it to happen.
Just a moment there. Is this now a acknowlegement that the Govt. of Pakistan can "ratchet" up or down the insurgency?? You just got through saying the insurgency was from the people themselves, and not supported by the GoP.
All i can say to ostriches is that in 1971, India was defeated and Pakistan won and it was 93000 Chinese who were made prisoners!
And the present Bangladeshis raped the Pakistanis.
Now, if that makes people happy, I have served humanity and the CBMs.
Do I look like the spokesperson for the GoP to you? :smile: Can you deny that Indians do not support anti-Pakistan activity and other acts of terrorism in Baluchistan and other Pakistani cities? Why do you think the Indians have been trying to butt into the current situation in Balochistan? Its laughable that they suggest restraint to Pakistan while their own actions in kashmir make them absolute hypocrites.
Pakistan rightfully supports the Kashmiri aspirations to be independent. While it may be politically incorrect to say so from an Indian Point of view, it is a fact and known to the world.
I think you know where I am going with this.