1971, a story of fear, loss and hope

[Centaur]

I request some opinions from my fellow bangladeshis please comment on the Bengali patriotic song

They will come (soul) silently, who gave there life because of patriotism.
And about putting flowers on shohid minar, (you are required to do all with bare foot, because shoe is insulting to such great souls)remain silent for one minute in order to show respect to them who's soul will return from after life. What is behind the sentiment? Can a Muslim do that? Or if someone do that can he remain a Muslim? Are we taught such things by Muhammad (Pbuh).is it not a kind of polytheistic worship? I have no problem with polytheism, but can a Muslim be polytheistic?
We come to road and shout when some one set lady justice because it's a statue. But we are participating in politeistic rituals under the umbrella turm named Bengali?

If you answer please direct answer me, no other explanation needed.

 

[Bilal9]

Nobody is crying over Bangladesh what bothers us is when your evil twisted government drags Pakistan into everything wrong happening with Bangladesh. Banglalis cheer for Indira Ghandi I personally cheer for Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawali whos men put a bullet in her head. There was no way BD would have remained apart of Pakistan eventually it would have been independent due to distance, language and cultural differences. Bangladeshis actually think Pakistan is a threat to its survival yet Pakistan has virtually zero presence or authority in your country. BD has threatened several times to send Pak ambassador home, please do it. It is more respectful to end diplomatic ties rather then to have a false pretence of mutual respect for eachother. Deep down Bangladeshis are burning with rage and hatred towards Pakistanis for the war of 71. Clearly we can't be friends or allies. It is in your best interest to forge closer ties with your immediate neighbour India.

I will be sure to advise them of your recommendation.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

When you say this, you keep on wiping your tears of being defeated by us, is not it? Why do you guys are so bent on flattering yourself, just like the Indians do? When the Muslims of Bengal and Bihar fought for Pakistan, you guys were still sleeping on the lap of Hindu Congress. Go and check the provincial elections of 1946. All your provinces elected Congress or parties supported by the Congress. Among all the provinces of then India, it was only Calcutta where Muslim League had formed the government. This was the strongest point in favor of splitting the country into India and Pakistan.

When we did sacrifice for the creation of Pakistan, you jumped to sit on the lap of Pakistan after 1947, and we were downgraded to under its feet. This is why Pakistan crumbled in 1970, finally. After doing 23 years of unfair treatment of the east you guys are claiming happiness at our separation from your Taleban nation, where each week a hundred dead bodies are scattered across the markets by your fanatic and terrorist activities. Yes, only you guys will be promoted to the Paradise for acts like killing innocent people. We are happy to have ridden ourselves from the fanatics.

Please mock as much as you want of the victims of terrorism tomorrow is the third anniversary when 100+ School children were massacred by armed terrorists sat in Afghanistan. Just remember you are no strangers to terrorist attacks either. Radicalism is also gripping Bangali youth with the recent case of a young bengali immigrant attempting to blow himself up in New York. A day shall appear when Bangladesh will also face frequent attacks just like the Dhaka cafe attack. Then I'm sure people sat in Pakistan shall sit quietly sipping on their tea watching your nation crumble. Becarful for what you wish for.

 

[Centaur]

With respect - I beg to differ.

There is no such thing as Ummah (Muslim Unity).

We Muslims are scum when it comes to unity. I got called names like 'Ya Bakistani' when I went for Umrah from savage low-class animals such as Saudi Arabs.

Neither love, nor religion, nor fellow-feeling, nor even humanity (witness Rohingya debacle) will unify us.

Only one things unifies people (including Muslims) - money.

Yes my friend this is a bitter truth too. But should we not think about unity? Do we have any other choice?
Sometimes USA is pretending to be ally and sometimes China.
But who are really our friends? No one.
After fall of ottoman caliphate Muslims are screwed,scattered.
Ottomans were the shadow of their past I admit.
Once Sudan and Egypt was same country and now Sudan is broken too.
What if Muslim countries were not decided like that and made a great nation? Look.about China and India too. They are acting as a nation. And we are fighting each others.
Well also propagandas are behind us, isn't it true? and isn't Saudi captured by wahabism because of backing of West? Thank you.

 

[Bilal9]

Feudal-phobia is your problem

Our problem? I thought feudalism went obsolete in the 18th century.

You support feudalism then?

 

[DarkPrince]

Another 71 thread.
Fk past think about the future. It's politician's brainwashing policy. If a referendum happened in 1974 I'm sure majority vote would have gone to united Pakistan's favor. That's how people's mentality change over time. Bengali Muslims were biggest supporter of creation of Pakistan before 1947.

This is the age of globalisation. Personally i think partition of India was a stupid idea. United sub continent would've been a way better and organized nation. Only good thing about Pakistan is that it's the only Muslim majority country with nuclear weapons. Thats it.

 

[Centaur]

Some blame should also be given to the Bengali muslim leaders of pre-1947. They could not foresee what Mountbatten foreseen.Those muslim leaders like SH Suhrawardy, AK Fazlul Haque or Khawza Nazimuddin should have put much thought about the future of the state they are struggling to get.They could not foresee the simple fact that western Pakistan which is inheriting 36 percent of entire British Indian army and which had strong autocratic and feudal set-up will not behave democratically and will try to dominate by force and exploit the Eastern Pakistan.This simple fact was even clear to Maulana Abul Kalam Azad.But I can't remember any effort by the Bengal muslim league leaders to secure any arrangement from Jinnah in 1946-1947 which will protect the interest of East Pakistan in future state . Original Lahore resolution in 1940 envisioned 2 sovereign muslim states in the sub-continent which was amended to a single state in 1946. In that crucial period, Bengali leaders should have thought about the consequences and agitate for the separate muslim state in Bengal and Assam.But they blindly put faith on Jinnah who was not very fond of Bengali Muslim leaders.Jinnah maintained distance with the Bengali Muslim league leaders and tried to put them down.

Not founding Bangladesh in 1947 was the original sin whose atonement we partially did in 1971. In 1947, top muslim league leaders used Bengal as a bargaining chip to maximize their gain in the western Pakistan.There was a common consensus in Bengal that Radcliffe line will go through the Hoogly river and East Bengal will gain Calcutta and West Bengal will get Haora.But in final settlement muslim league leadership relinquish it's claim over Calcutta to gain Lahore.Same thing also happen with Tripura case.This princely state was eager to join East Pakistan and was ready discuss with Muslim league.But top muslim leaguer totally ignored the Tripura queen as they were busy in Kashmir and giving blank papers to the prices on western sides to persuade them to join West Pakistan.Current Rohingya problem also has it's origin in 1940s when Rohingyas wanted to join East Pakistan but they were rejected.This type of things happen because of shortsightedness of our leaders,Otherwise we would have Bangladesh in 1947 with a different border.

I request you to read it carefully.you are doing better, so I believe that you have this courage to accept the reality. It is not wise to put blame on Jinnah so fast. Jinnah was not responsible for this but Hindutvas are.
Please try to understand the reality.Thank you.
http://songlapblog.com/4913
We failed to establish United Bengal a greater Muslim majority country and this is not because if Jinnah, but because of Hindutvas, who were once joined mother India and now pretending to be the representative of bengali nationalism.

 

[MultaniGuy]

When you say this, you keep on wiping your tears of being defeated by us, is not it? Why do you guys are so bent on flattering yourself, just like the Indians do? When the Muslims of Bengal and Bihar fought for Pakistan, you guys were still sleeping on the lap of Hindu Congress. Go and check the provincial elections of 1946. All your provinces elected Congress or parties supported by the Congress. Among all the provinces of then India, it was only Calcutta where Muslim League had formed the government. This was the strongest point in favor of splitting the country into India and Pakistan.

When we did sacrifice for the creation of Pakistan, you jumped to sit on the lap of Pakistan after 1947, and we were downgraded to under its feet. This is why Pakistan crumbled in 1970, finally. After doing 23 years of unfair treatment of the east you guys are claiming happiness at our separation from your Taleban nation, where each week a hundred dead bodies are scattered across the markets by your fanatic and terrorist activities. Yes, only you guys will be promoted to the Paradise for acts like killing innocent people. We are happy to have ridden ourselves from the fanatics.

Another 71 thread.
Fk past think about the future. It's politician's brainwashing policy. If a referendum happened in 1974 I'm sure majority vote would have gone to united Pakistan's favor. That's how people's mentality change over time. Bengali Muslims were biggest supporter of creation of Pakistan before 1947.

This is the age of globalisation. Personally i think partition of India was a stupid idea. United sub continent would've been a way better and organized nation. Only good thing about Pakistan is that it's the only Muslim majority country with nuclear weapons. Thats it.

Personally I think partition was the best thing to have happened. Sure Bangladesh did not get much land, but hey Pakistan got some land.

Its not our fault, that Bangladeshis wanted independence. We could have made a great country with west and east Pakistan.

But you Bangladeshis blew it, big time.
Oh well... whats done is done.

There are many positive points about Pakistan other than nuclear weapons. Pakistan also has an advanced military, a rising economy, a large population, etc.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Yes my friend this is a bitter truth too. But should we not think about unity? Do we have any other choice?
Sometimes USA is pretending to be ally and sometimes China.
But who are really our friends? No one.
After fall of ottoman caliphate Muslims are screwed,scattered.
Ottomans were the shadow of their past I admit.
Once Sudan and Egypt was same country and now Sudan is broken too.
What if Muslim countries were not decided like that and made a great nation? Look.about China and India too. They are acting as a nation. And we are fighting each others.
Well also propagandas are behind us, isn't it true? and isn't Saudi captured by wahabism because of backing of West? Thank you.

My personal oppionion I don't think Pakistanis should be the sole bearers of carrying the banner of Muslim unity or raising their voice whenever tradegy strikes upon the Muslims. This should be a collective response by ALL Muslims nations. Just as how the Muslim nations have rallied around the call to defend Jerusalam from being taken from Palestine equally Muslims inparticular Arabs should openly support the Kashmiri cause and the plight of the Rohingyas. Its time Pakistan put its interests and priorities first. Pak helped the Afghans but got nothing in return apart from accusations.

 

[DarkPrince]

Personally I think partition was the best thing to have happened. Sure Bangladesh did not get much land, but hey Pakistan got some land.

Its not our fault, that Bangladeshis wanted independence. We could have made a great country with west and east Pakistan.

But you Bangladeshis blew it, big time.
Oh well... whats done is done.

There are many positive points about Pakistan other than nuclear weapons. Pakistan also has an advanced military, a rising economy, a large population, etc.

I disagree. It wasn't a wise move.
Our economy is also rising. Better than Pakistan's. Your nut job mullahs are the main problem i think.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Personally I think partition was the best thing to have happened. Sure Bangladesh did not get much land, but hey Pakistan got some land.

Its not our fault, that Bangladeshis wanted independence. We could have made a great country with west and east Pakistan.

But you Bangladeshis blew it, big time.
Oh well... whats done is done.

There are many positive points about Pakistan other than nuclear weapons. Pakistan also has an advanced military, a rising economy, a large population, etc.

As well as a world wide diaspora of nearly 8-10 million.

 

[Bilal9]

Now I will suggest something to PDF Pakistanis they have not been suggested before.

According to generally accepted principles a country should have its primary language which is spoken by the majority. In Pakistan's case before 1971 it was Bangla because majority spoke it (75 Million in East vs. 60 Million in West).

How many Pakistanis would accept Bangla as their language at that time? Why was Urdu, a minority language imposed on Bengalis?

 

[Samurai_assassin]

I disagree. It wasn't a wise move.
Our economy is only rising. Better than Pakistan's. Your nut job mullahs are the main problem i think.

Funny you should mention that no religious party has ever been in power of Pakistan! The ultra religious hardliners in power within the south Asian region is our and your neighbour.

Now I will suggest something to PDF Pakistanis they have not been suggested before.

According to generally accepted principles a country should have its primary language which is spoken by the majority. In Pakistan's case before 1971 it was Bangla because majority spoke it (75 Million in East vs. 60 Million in West).

How many Pakistanis would accept Bangla as their language at that time? Why was Urdu, a minority language imposed on Bengalis?

Is Urdu imposed on the 1 million plus native Bangalis residing in Karachi? Urdu along with English maybe the languages of Pakistan but they are not widely spoken compared to Punjabi & Pashto. However Urdu is a language that unites all corners of Pakistan as it is understood by almost all Pakistanis.

 

[DarkPrince]

Funny you should mention that no religious party has ever been in power of Pakistan! The ultra religious hardliners in power within the south Asian region is our and your neighbour.

United sub continent would've been a genuine secular nation. Because of balanced population between Muslims and Hindus. Maybe it's too late now.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

United sub continent would've been a genuine secular nation. Because of balanced population between Muslims and Hindus. Maybe it's too late now.

Disagree! There would have been widespread religious violence like Indian Punjab 1984, Hindus massacring Sikhs, 1992 destruction of Babri Masjid, Gujurat 2002 Guhurati Muslim massacer.