1962: For anyone who haven't read this...

[huzihaidao12]

DID the Lamas on the Mao's praise, he is really that Mao was a reincarnation of the Buddha Wenshu.

 

[CardSharp]

Which is ironic since the CCP really didn't intrude upon their exploitation of the serfs until they revolted in 59. How's that for spelling one's own doom.

Yeah but the way that China was going with its Mao fever and growing radicalization, there was no way they couldn't have seen the writing on the wall.

I suppose then that China feels like the western world constantly tries to stifle and "box them in". I have heard that sentiment expressed often.

But is that reality today?

Definitely still prevalent and it's usually accompanied by some paranoia and conspiracies theories. There maybe a case to be made for the validity of this view, but I'm not convinced. Of course, America and Europe isn't ecstatic about the rise of China, but they haven't done more really than grumble about it. They are still working with China, trading with China and politically engaged in China (just listen to the recent Angela Merckle's speech about German and Chinese partner).

This world is growing smaller and more interdependent, and that's a good thing because it is the only realistic chance that we have at world peace. War hurts the bottom-line after all.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Would you kindly elaborate on your views?

Too long, we saw several years of Western, and I personally saw more than a decade, as the popularity of the Internet, no longer a simple brainwashed by western Information.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I suppose then that China feels like the western world constantly tries to stifle and "box them in". I have heard that sentiment expressed often.

But is that reality today?

Well there is reality, and there is perception.

Most Chinese do "perceive" that the outside world (mainly the West) is trying to contain them, and encircle them. The reality (I think) is that the world is simply moving according to geopolitics, and the fact that America has many bases surrounding China is not really an "anti-Chinese conspiracy"... but simple geopolitical forces.

China is doing the same thing to India, where "protecting your assets" is perceived by the other as "encirclement".

There is a big disconnect in modern Chinese thinking, between the pragmatic reality of today, and the Tian Xia world-view of the past. I believe it is called "cognitive dissonance" when two contradictory ideas are held in your head at the same time.

For example, even a poor Chinese peasant will "look down" on the Japanese, even despite the fact that the average Japanese is much more wealthy than he is. It is quite a strange thing to think about.

 

[CardSharp]

Too long, we saw several years of Western, and I personally saw more than a decade, as the popularity of the Internet, no longer a simple brainwashed by western Information.

Are you talking about the late 1980's and early 1990's? Chinese people admire greatly America during that time. That is before, the embassy bombing in Kosovo and the CIA forced searching of a Chinese ship accused of transporting weapons to Iran (turned out no weapons)

 

[siegecrossbow]

I suppose then that China feels like the western world constantly tries to stifle and "box them in". I have heard that sentiment expressed often.

But is that reality today?

Well this is the sentiment of most "Fengqing" (angry youths) in China today. Most don't even care about politics that much (Chinese censors didn't help) and some are fiercer devotees to Western values than the average American.

I think the better question to ask here is what do most of the people in the States think about China?

 

[huzihaidao12]

Would you kindly elaborate on your views? I mean this last post. I have no idea what you are trying to say. Sorry.

DID the Lamas on the Mao's praise, he is really that Mao was a reincarnation of the Buddha Wenshu.

 

[CardSharp]

Well this is the sentiment of most "Fengqing" (angry youths) in China today. Most don't even care about politics that much (Chinese censors didn't help) and some are fiercer devotees to Western values than the average American.

I think the better question to ask here is what do most of the people in the States think about China?

American think that the Chinese are brain-wash godless commies of course

 

[siegecrossbow]

American think that the Chinese are brain-wash godless commies of course

I sense sarcasm in that.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Are you talking about the late 1980's and early 1990's? Chinese people admire greatly America during that time. That is before, the embassy bombing and the CIA accusing a Chinese ship of transporting weapons.

80's and 90's naïve to maintain the illusion of the West, it is the most dangerous, you do not need to exclude the West, but simply believe that is a real danger. Most of those who have memories of that time in sweat as naive.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The impression I have got from talking to American people, is that they are very welcoming towards "Chinese people"... but they tend to dislike "the Chinese Government".

Which is fair enough really...

Hey Cardsharp, you're a senior member now!!

 

[CardSharp]

80's and 90's naïve to maintain the illusion of the West, it is the most dangerous, you do not need to exclude the West, but simply believe that is a real danger. Most of those who have memories of that time in sweat as naive.

Yeah I truly believe those times were a lost chance for better American-Chinese relations. I can't speak about it direct but from what I've read, the majority of the Chinese had a favourable view of America then(after all, relations were normalized and they were an ally against the USSR)

All this to be ruined later...

 

[siegecrossbow]

American think that the Chinese are brain-wash godless commies of course

Americans who actually went to China before talk about China very differently than an American who hasn't. I think more travel/exchanges between the two countries are necessary to dispel the misconceptions.

 

[CardSharp]

The impression I have got from talking to American people, is that they are very welcoming towards "Chinese people"... but they tend to dislike "the Chinese Government".

Which is fair enough really...

Hey Cardsharp, you're a senior member now!!

Hmmm I'm not sure all Americans can make the distinction between the two.

and also... thanks I've officially spent too much time on this forum

Americans who actually went to China before talk about China very differently than an American who hasn't. I think more travel/exchanges between the two countries are necessary to dispel the misconceptions.

Very true. Most comes away from their China experience with a new perspective.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Yeah I truly believe those times were a lost chance for better American-Chinese relations. I can't speak about it direct but from what I've read, the majority of the Chinese had a favourable view of America then(after all, relations were normalized and they were an ally against the USSR)

All this to be ruined later...

Congrats on senior status!!!

Any ways the geopolitical situation right now is a lot more different. Even if Tiananmen Square didn't happen I don't think there could've developed a serious pact between China and the U.S. The Soviet Union, for one, is gone and China and the U.S. no longer have a common enemy. To make the matters worse China is becoming a super power as well. It is only reasonable for American to feel uneasy about this.

Right now there are two paths for China and the U.S. They could either have a healthy competition (coupled with LOTS of cooperation) or they could, as Texas John puts it, have a "full scale pi$$ing contest". I think we all know which option is better for the world as a whole.