1962 A Missed Opportunity...

[A1Kaid]

1962 A Missed Opportunity....-A1Kaid


I have long pondered one aspect of this era and that is the Sino-Indian Border-War during 1962 (relating to Pakistan).


Should Pakistan have attacked India during it's war with China?

There was a high chance that if Pakistan had attacked India during it's brutal and vicious fast war with China during 1962 C.E. which resulted in a major humiliation of the Indian nation and military, that Pakistan could have won a major decisive war, and ultimately captured the whole of Kashmir! This is my opinion.

Now let's keep in mind, India has to divide it's troops along two front's it's Northern and Western Front to confront China to the North and Pakistan to the West...This stretches and separates one's military, which can cause significant difficulty in war, because your troops are forced to divide (unfavorably).


Now the points I would like to make are these.

1)Pakistan should have attacked India during the 1962 C.E. Sino-Indian War. For India having to fight Pakistan and China both would be a War for her life, a war that would result in great economic, military, and political suffering and hardship...

Perhaps the pressure of fighting both Pakistan and China simultaneously would have forced India's hand to surrender...As soon as we have India in this weaker state we can make demands as India is in no position to deny or military refuse our wishes....Ultimately India would surrender it's occupied portion Kashmir, that is if the the Pakistan Army hadn't already captured it by it self during 1962.

2)If we had attacked India during the 1962 Sino-Indian War, the 1965 and most importantly 1971 "Bangladesh Liberation War" could have been AVERTED! This means Pakistan would still be united or in possession of what is now known as "Bangladesh" this would also mean Pakistan would have a Geo-Political edge over India during this decade and beyond (60's-90's)...Also India would be in little position to support insurgents like the Mukti Bahini later on in the early 70's...India would be more weary of the consequences of it's actions.

3)If there was any time in our history were defeating India was at it's easiest it was during the 1962 Sino-Indian War. The possibility of a significant victory against India at this time is high in my conjecture. Indian troops were already bogged down in the Northern Front spending men, resources, and losing territory and overall morale...This is very important point here...We should have taken advantage of this immediately "strike while the iron is hot..."

In my 3rd point, I want to make it clear I am not saying we needed to have an all out victory against India or even defeat a large portion of it's military. The truth is engaging India at that time would have expanded India's trouble, and eventually after weeks of war with both hostile Pakistan and China would force India to surrender! This would leave India vulnerable and as I said before in no position to defy or refuse us militarily...


-A1Kaid

 

[Kasrkin]

Yes, the change and modernization that the Indian Armed forces under went after their 1962 thrashing was phenomenal. After 1962 everyone was rushing in weapons to them, not only the USSR but western countries as well. All of which were then subsequently used against Pakistan. Also in due respect to the Indians they were obviously smarting, learning from their mistakes and bitter for revenge. They performed well during 1965, but the fact was that we performed better. But they were still professional enough. 1962 IMO would have been the best chance to wrestle Kashmir, if the Chinese did indeed propose this.

 

[A1Kaid]

Yes, the change and modernization that the Indian Armed forces under went after their 1962 thrashing was phenomenal. After 1962 everyone was rushing in weapons to them, not only the USSR but western countries as well. All of which were then subsequently used against Pakistan. Also in due respect to the Indians they were obviously smarting, learning from their mistakes and bitter for revenge. They performed well during 1965, but the fact was that we performed better. But they were still professional enough. 1962 IMO would have been the best chance to wrestle Kashmir, if the Chinese did indeed propose this.

Indeed, A Missed Opportunity...

In fact, I would like to emphasize Gen and Pres. Ayub Khan waited 3 years more after 1962 to attack India...Why the wait? Why allow India to rebuild, re-plan, buy arms, and replenish it's forces...This is complete foolishness.

Also if we had captured the whole of Kashmir in 1962, the lives of the Kashmiri people would be greatly improved. Our economy would benefit, water ways secured, national security improved, no need to fund freedom fighters/militias, our army rewarded, and the Nation's morale high...

Again, "1962 A Missed Opportunity -A1Kaid"

 

[ahmeddsid]

Did China step into save Pakistan in 71??? If Pakistan had got involved in 62, then it would have been a game changer. USA would have gotten involved, USSR would have gotten involved seeing China gaining a leverage!

 

[A1Kaid]

Did China step into save Pakistan in 71??? If Pakistan had got involved in 62, then it would have been a game changer. USA would have gotten involved, USSR would have gotten involved seeing China gaining a leverage!

Actually the Russians and US were preoccupied with their space race and spending their resources on that. Also this was the period during the Cold War, and ultimately if what your alluding to came true then the scenario would have evolved to USA, China, N. Korea (Possibly on behalf of China), Pakistan Team vs. India and Russia...

Odds seem against you. Anyways this scenario is unlikely to have happened...Trust me Russia would not have come to your rescue, they even consider the 1962 war a "just" war that China fought over for territorial integrity...

Also bringing up the point "did China save Pakistan in 1971" shows that your missing the point, because as I stated before there would have been NO 1971 war if Pakistan had attacked India during the 1962 Sino-Indian War...Overall, Pakistan would be better off in many ways if it had done that.

Normally I don't reply to your baiting-posts, but this time I wanted to clarify this...If you don't mind please don't post here, I have seen your posts before and you ruin the threads you enter...Just my opinion

 

[spsk]

1962 war is a surprise for India as Nehru dreamed for India-China friendship which could avoid influence of US and Russia in Asian Continent.This is just a guess that Pakistan was not prepared for war by that time (During parliament attack in India,it took 3 weeks to mobilize troops along border ).I am not military analyst just a guess...

 

[Omar1984]

Yes, the change and modernization that the Indian Armed forces under went after their 1962 thrashing was phenomenal. After 1962 everyone was rushing in weapons to them, not only the USSR but western countries as well. All of which were then subsequently used against Pakistan. Also in due respect to the Indians they were obviously smarting, learning from their mistakes and bitter for revenge. They performed well during 1965, but the fact was that we performed better. But they were still professional enough. 1962 IMO would have been the best chance to wrestle Kashmir, if the Chinese did indeed propose this.

Indians learn from their mistakes....unforuntely we Pakistanis never learn from our mistakes.

 

[gpit]

The likelihood of Pakistan joining China in 1962 conflict is close to zero.

Mainly because China was #1, if not #2, enemy of US, but Pakistan was a US close ally, even though India was viewed more on Soviet camp. In addition, given such a short time frame of Cuba missile crisis at that time (an opportunity seen by Chinese leaders to teach India “a lesson&#8221, a coordinated attach on India was nearly impossible: it needs great deal of preparation given the fact that the two armies are under such different systems.

Having above said, I instead think a coordinated attack in 1965 should have a higher likelihood, provided that China could bear the Northen pressure.

 

[Xeric]

Well the history would have been quite different if Pakistan had attacked india in 62. One of the obvious reason for this lapse could have been the fact that we Pakistanis don't stab in the back, as our worthy neighbor(s) have done quite frequently.
Now again the fact remains that although it would not have been a simple decision to join hands with China as it might have exerted a pull towards both USA and USSR. Nevertheless, i feel it would have been better if Pakistan had unfolded this option.

Enough of fair plays!

 

[A1Kaid]

Well the history would have been quite different if Pakistan had attacked india in 62. One of the obvious reason for this lapse could have been the fact that we Pakistanis don't stab in the back, as our worthy neighbor(s) have done quite frequently.
Now again the fact remains that although it would not have been a simple decision to join hands with China as it might have exerted a pull towards both USA and USSR. Nevertheless, i feel it would have been better if Pakistan had unfolded this option.

Enough of fair plays!

Asalam a lakem enigma

Thank you for your comment, I agree with you Pakistan must achieve victory on a grand scale even if it means we have to play dirty...

The question is

Are we willing to do a little evil in order to attain the greater good?

 

[Xeric]

Asalam a lakem enigma

Thank you for your comment, I agree with you Pakistan must achieve victory on a grand scale even if it means we have to play dirty...

The question is

Are we willing to do a little evil in order to attain the greater good?

W/s
Well yes we are willing but the problem is that we are so indulged in our own dirty politics that we are unable to play dirty outside.
We only get one and united when there is a sword hanging on our heads(although) its always there but when it comes close enough so that we are able to see it clearly, only then we shout that we stand united and can go to any extent. Before that we are busy eat our own selves.

 

[ju87]

One of the obvious reason for this lapse could have been the fact that we Pakistanis don't stab in the back, as our worthy neighbor(s) have done quite frequently.
Enough of fair plays!

You guys never fail to crack me up. Remember Operation Gibraltar? Kargil? ISI-sponsored terrorists? Stabbing in the back is all you guys ever do.

As for the rest, Pakistan could not have attacked India along with China, simply because the Sino-Pak alliance had not been formed yet. Remember, this was when Nehru was still singing 'Hindi-Chini bhai bhai'. 1965 was actually when this was more likely.

 

[Xeric]

You guys never fail to crack me up. Remember Operation Gibraltar? Kargil? ISI-sponsored terrorists? Stabbing in the back is all you guys ever do.

As for the rest, Pakistan could not have attacked India along with China, simply because the Sino-Pak alliance had not been formed yet. Remember, this was when Nehru was still singing 'Hindi-Chini bhai bhai'. 1965 was actually when this was more likely.

You really are cracked.

Rather idiot would be a better word to describe you.

Dear idiot, you call Kargil and Gibraltar 'stabbing in the back'??

Sir idiot that is known as War and Animus. We entered inside you, raptured you and left you to bleed.

The term you call 'stabbing' as regards to Kargil is known as SURPRISE you loser! Go read something known as tactics!
And if you also consider Gibraltar in the same context then again i feel sorry for you as that process is known as INFILTRATION taught as a Minor Operation of War all over the world armies, especially to special forces.

If you call supporting the Kashmiris 'back stabbing' you again are not less then a goof. We openly have admitted that we have and will support the Kashmiri cause.

Now let me tell you what back stabbing is.
The game you played in 71
The game you are playing in Balochistan.
The game you are playing in Wana.
The BS you planned in Mumbai attacks.
The screw up that you did with your Parliament in 2001.

 

[ahmeddsid]

You really are cracked.

Rather idiot would be a better word to describe you.

Dear idiot, you call Kargil and Gibraltar 'stabbing in the back'??

Sir idiot that is known as War and Animus. We entered inside you, raptured you and left you to bleed.

The term you call 'stabbing' as regards to Kargil is known as SURPRISE you loser! Go read something known as tactics!
And if you also consider Gibraltar in the same context then again i feel sorry for you as that process is known as INFILTRATION taught as a Minor Operation of War all over the world armies, especially to special forces.

If you call supporting the Kashmiris 'back stabbing' you again are not less then a goof. We openly have admitted that we have and will support the Kashmiri cause.

Now let me tell you what back stabbing is.
The game you played in 71
The game you are playing in Balochistan.
The game you are playing in Wana.
The BS you planned in Mumbai attacks.
The screw up that you did with your Parliament in 2001.

Kargil was done in a time, where Indo Pak relations were at a good level. There was trust. And Occupying posts abandoned by an Army during winter is not Novel a strategy!

Indian Intelligence were run by a bunch of fools, Still is. So you could pull it off easily. But remember, We bled, But Didnt loose an inch of soil! Hence your gain =ZERO. Kashmir was not brought into the world forum, which u thought this would accomplish. So again, it was a weak plan, executed in an Good Manner.(yes, It was good!! dont be shocked!)

 

[Xeric]

Kargil was done in a time, where Indo Pak relations were at a good level. There was trust. And Occupying posts abandoned by an Army during winter is not Novel a strategy!

Indian Intelligence were run by a bunch of fools, Still is. So you could pull it off easily. But remember, We bled, But Didnt loose an inch of soil! Hence your gain =ZERO. Kashmir was not brought into the world forum, which u thought this would accomplish. So again, it was a weak plan, executed in an Good Manner.(yes, It was good!! dont be shocked!)

Here we go again.
He is teaching me what's novel in War and what's ignoble.
Dude, don't try to teach me the International Law of War kinda thing on this.
You claim that at the time of Kargil Pak and india were in guud terms, so what kind of terms would you calls that were there before this mumbai drama??

What about all those CBMs and BS. All 8 years washed away in one click.

Probably you may also should consider the US invasion of Iraq ignoble, who even after admitting that it didn't find anything that they claim Iraq was making, is still hanging inside that country.

There is nothing noble or ignoble in War!
It's the conspiracy and dirty play that is not noble! It is the thought of Greater india and the dream of South Asian super power that is condemned by all the neighbors and it is this that should be termed as paltry. Which you find me referring to as 'back stabbing'.