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1947 Muslim massacre in Jammu

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https://defence.pk/threads/ethnic-c...ars-ago-by-ishtiaq-ahmed.459804/#post-8887391

They wanted to convert every last one of us and now cry about why we wanted to seprate. o_O



Your post is Ironic sir as you show yours via negative ratings.
Ignore him if yoy realise he doesnt deserve a discource. If someone is incapable and insecure its better to let them have their burrah. And carry on like a civilized being.
some times before that there were no muslims in subcontinent. and few years before that there were no muslims in the world. does that mean that muslims countries belong to non muslims?

No that means ruler ship days are not there anymore. Roman Egyptian persian muslim rulership is gone.
We live in democracies now A days. No ruler no king. We must live accept others.
What ever happned was because of rulers not individuals. If it was about people there would have been no wars.
Now we forget all that bs and accept others. Be it other muslim with diffrent faith buddist jew or hindu or whoever. Kashmir belong to every citizen irrespective of their race creeed or clan.
And we may fight over jammu or kashmir but its not going anywhere from eitherside. Its better people of their side of border realise and make peace with situation.
 
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Wtf,why Pakistan showing so much love for Muslims, will Pakistanis agree to take all 200 million Indian Muslims residing inside India to migrate Pakistan.We will happily give Kashmir and freely give ladakh with it.Lets make it a final settlement.
 
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Today is 6th November, the day we commemorate in memory of victims of Jammu massacre 1947 , many of whom even didn’t know their fault to go to grave. A people which had faithfully obeyed & served the whole clan of Hindu Dogra rulers for almost a century, fell to the evil plans & contrived machinations of the same very rulers. But before the veil is pierced to look at these tyrannical faces , it is appropriate and in order to recall an instance of a nearby State, Chamba (Now in Himachal Pradesh) to dispel the notion that all Hindu rules were cruel or tyrants.

Upon partition of India, some three thousand Muslims of Chamba desired to migrate to Pakistan in the beginning of October 1947. Since the shortest rout to their new destination fell through J&K, Their ruler, Mahraja Laxaman Singh, personally accompanied them upto to Kashmir Border in Bhaderwah district. On way he publicly warned all marauders & RSS cadres to lay off, as being his subjects , it was his responsibility to ensure that they did not come to any harm in his territory. The brave ruler personally bade them good bye at the border. But what happened to them, thereafter in our state is another story to be told a little later?

A question then naturally arises, as to what overriding reasons or factors prompted & motivated Dogra ruler Hari Singh to mercilessly kill or cause to be killed his own faithful subjects contrary to golden principles of ‘Raj Dharma’, to which he was supposed to have adhered to. All archival material, recorded evidences & statement of eye-witnesses clearly establish beyond any doubt that massacre of Muslims in Jammu in 1947 was a planned State affair. The Dogra ruler, having decided to accede to India much before the actual partition of sub-continent took place in August 1947 was, however circumspect because his State was a 80% Muslim Majority State. Muslims of Jammu, having more social & cultural affinity with Punjabi Muslims, were eager to Join Pakistan as against the Valley Muslims politically ruled by Sheikh Abdullah who, admittedly was not favorably disposed towards Pakistan. It was therefore, militarily logical & politically feasible that the demographics of Jammu be changed to facilitate the entry of Indian army into the State without much resistance and to make the political rule that much easier.

And in this macabre game of bloodbath, Hari Singh received logistical support from two Maharajas of nearby states M/s Yadavindra Singh & Jagjit Singh Bhadur of Patiala & Kapurthala respectively, at the instance of Union Home Minster Sardar Patel & Defence Minster Baldev Singh who enjoyed strong rapport & friendly relations with these two Mahrajas. Psychological support was provided by Golwalker & other RSS functionaries like B.R.Agrekar, provincial President RSS. The administration consisting of Prime Minster Mehr Chand Mahajan & Governor Jammu Chet Ram Chopra got the plan executed with military precision through Dogra Army, Patiala forces & RSS cadres from Jammu & neighboring areas. That the middle & lower rung officials of the administration were fully involved in the pogrom is established by following instances.

For Jammu, Samba & Kathua-Prem Nath Dogra-Retired SDM was the organizer of training camps for RSS cadres. Bulk arms were stores & distributed from his house at Kach Chawni and armed training Camps were organized at Vaid Mandir, Raghunath Mandir, Talab Rani, & Gurdwara Pacci Dhaki.
In Udhampur, Dev Raj Dogra, Tehsildar, Lachman Dass Ex-SP and Chaman Lal, S.I were the organizers of RSS training
In Ram Nagar, Chander Ubay Singh-Tehsildar & Darshan Singh-S.I were incharge of training camps.
In Padder Bodh Raj Bali-SI & Kali Dass Zaildar were the organisers.
At Reasi & Katra- Dina Nath-Ranger, Shambu Nath son of Ganga Ram Minster, Goverdhan Singh-Waziri Wazarat, Jia Lal Darbari ASP and Manohar Lal SI were in charge to execute the pogrom.
In Jammu, the Hindu doctors at Govt. Hospital were directed not to provide any medical aid to injured Muslims. Barring one noble exception of a kind hearted Doctor, Partap Singh, all the doctors fell to palace diktats in brazen violation of their professional ethics. In this scene reminiscent of Karbala, Two Muslim doctors of Jammu Dr. Abdul Karim & Dr. Rehmutullah set up a Hospital in the Haveli of Sardar Mohd. Akram Khan at talab Khatikhan. Dressing & antiseptic material was supplied surreptitiously by Dr. Partap Singh through a Harijan Sweeper. Water was boiled in big cooking pots. Ordinary soft cloth was cut into small pieces to be used dressing pads. Turbans & Dopattas were cut lengthwise to act as bandages.
And finally the fate of 3000 Muslims of Chamba, whose mention I have made earlier. Once in the State of J&K , Governor Chet Ram chopra issued orders from Jammu requiring them to proceed immediately towards Pakistan . Instead of providing them a passage through a safer route , these refugees were directed to move Via Bani (Kathua). Muslims of Bhaderwah made franatic efforts through S.P Udhampur, Sheikh Mohd. Saleem, to stop their migration till such time, the carnage stops in Jammu but all in vain. It was a devious plot crafted by Chopra to get all these defenseless persons killed through the rampaging mobs of marauders & RSS Goons .And true to his plot, none among these 3000 persons reached his/her new destination. SP Udhampur, Sheikh Mohd. Saleem was soon replaced by a communal officer, Sant Pindi Dass for resisting the orders from Chopra.

A question which baffles every student of history is the inertia & non-action by Abdullah ,who soon became prime Minster of the state with unbridled powers, to take action against the planners & organizers of this holocaust . Instead, his administration promoted many involved officials, to higher positions in a routine way, as if nothing had happened. Does it point to his passive complicity in the pogrom or a general amnesty to the killers to ensure a smooth political & administrative sailing? Whatever be the case, the non-action against the killers created and institutionalized a culture of impunity in the state which continues to be enjoyed by its various arms uninterrupted till date.
@Irfan Baloch @Zibago
Then they say why kashmiris hate india
 
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so you don't deny the killings. by the stop giving blogs as reference.


kashmir was always a muslim majority area. only minorities lived in areas which are still under indian occupation.
I dont deny the killings as it happened from both sides due to emotional outburst. It is you who are denying that nothing happened in lahore...so you need to stop denying it.
WHy reference to blog is pricking you? It is a valid reference with an open running thread on it. Infact the OP of this thread has not posted any reference to support his article. It is therefore figment of his imagination.
 
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600,000 killed? Doesn't Jammu have small population even now?


JaTT saab, perhaps 600,000 includes Punjabi Muslims too, however, QudratullAllah Shahab, the author of Shahab Namaa, the famous Muslim Journalist from Jammu, has recorded a death toll of around 200,000 from Jammu proper. This does not include areas beyond Reasi.

Jammu is now populated with alien hindus from other parts of india
 
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JaTT saab, perhaps 600,000 includes Punjabi Muslims too, however, QudratullAllah Shahab, the author of Shahab Namaa, the famous Muslim Journalist from Jammu, has recorded a death toll of around 200,000 from Jammu proper. This does not include areas beyond Reasi.

Jammu is now populated with alien hindus from other parts of india

Namaste sir ji, kese hoo?
 
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It was the specialty of Hindus to kill and mutilate unarmed people, women and children. They killed Muslims as well as Sikhs to remain in power. It was the efforts of 40,000 ex Sudhans who were the veteran of WW1&2 under British army, we liberated by revolt and made Azad riasat J&K independent from Maharaja Hari Singh in year 1947. Parallel to us under guidance of Sardar Ibrahim Khan first president of AJK, Col Mirza Hassan Jarral revolted against Dogra local administration of GB and liberated their home land.
https://defence.pk/threads/gilgit-b...-celebrated-in-london-uk.459767/#post-8887053
https://defence.pk/threads/martyrdom-anniversary-captain-hussain-khan-shaheed-11th-nov-1947.343465/


indeed. the RSS hindus are among the most blood thirsty animals i have ever seen. They killed small Muslim children with tires around necks put on fire, while their little bodies blew up and they were watching the show in thousands unabated

i am talking about Naroda Patiya in Ahmedeabad. They continued with the devil by flipping the tiny body parts into trucks and then into a well, followed by the mothers, who were raped.

This RSS hindu trend of killing Muslim women and children is seen In1947 on a massive scale, they did the same thing in Punjab, Haryana, Delhi, Bharatupur, Bikaner, and in Jammu. These hindu pagans dont know that the One True God, who created the Universe, knows their deeds, and on the day of judgement, they will be reckoned.

Shuhada e Jammu ko Salam. Yeh dunya Musalman ka imtihaan hai aur kafar ki jannat
 
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indeed. the RSS hindus are among the most blood thirsty animals i have ever seen. They killed small Muslim children with tires around necks put on fire, while their little bodies blew up and they were watching the show in thousands unabated

i am talking about Naroda Patiya in Ahmedeabad. They continued with the devil by flipping the tiny body parts into trucks and then into a well, followed by the mothers, who were raped.

This RSS hindu trend of killing Muslim women and children is seen In1947 on a massive scale, they did the same thing in Punjab, Haryana, Delhi, Bharatupur, Bikaner, and in Jammu. These hindu pagans dont know that the One True God, who created the Universe, knows their deeds, and on the day of judgement, they will be reckoned.

Shuhada e Jammu ko Salam. Yeh dunya Musalman ka imtihaan hai aur kafar ki jannat
YOu are right brother.
 
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Absolutely. The history of sufferings of Muslims of Jammu and Kashmir is a long and grisly tale - going as far back as mid 18th century when the region fell into the hands of externally implanted lineage of Dogras. Under their rule Muslims are documented to have gone through state marginalization, discrimination, and prosecution.

During this chapter, a number of attempts were made to drive out or even exterminate Muslims in sub-regions of the state to alter it's overall demographic makeup. Though heavily outnumbered by state's Muslim diaspora, the Hindu community or as it is commonly referred to as Pundits, enjoyed disproportionately larger access to opportunities and means to prosper. The Dogra-regime-engendered favoritism towards Pundits led to a complete domination of state's bureaucracy, public service institutions, and law enforcement by the small Hindu minority - something that has, albeit somewhat slackened, continued to this day.

Qudratullah Shahaab, an eminent ICS officer from Jammu has written comprehensively and very impartially about the long blood-stained history of Kashmir in his autobiography 'Shahaab-Nama'. I'd recommend that to everyone with a desire to have an objective understanding of the roots of Kashmiri conflict.

On the subject of Pundits - while what happened to them is certainly lamentable, there are certain key points that, in the interest of fairness, must be considered before rendering any judgment on the matter.

Firstly, even by most liberal estimates. the percentage of total Pundits native to Kashmir has never exceeded the figure of 15% of the total population during any instant in modern history. (Some sources have claimed it to be as low as 5%). This population of around a 100,000 persons, by any standards, is too minute to have any meaningful impact on the matter of deciding the fate of Kashmir. In other words, even if the entirety of allegedly displaced Pundit population is relocated to Jammu and Kashmir, their combined weight would still be insufficient to alter the results of any poll - to sway the outcome in India's favor.

Secondly, there are very solid grounds to believe the exodus of Pundits from valley was engineered by the incumbent state of India in the 90's. There's a prevalent opinion among Kashmirirs that Governor Jagmohan encouraged the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits from the Valley by purposely creating an atmosphere of paranoia. in order to prepare moral ground for the already-planned counter-insurgency operations and the suppression of anti-Indian uprising in Kashmir. This argument is validated by the fact that the exodus (which had it's onset on 19th January 1990) was closely followed by first massacre of Kashmiri Muslims at Gawadkal. The Gawakadal massacre was followed by eight other major massacres. fake encounters, enforced disappearances, tortures and crackdown operations.

No Indian will reply to you, I have noticed that is the case when someone tries to debunk this Pandit majority myth. My own ancestors were Kashmiri Brahmins, you are being generous with 15%, it was certainly around ~5%.

If you look at data from the 1941 census, the Pandits only made up 4.57% of the population of Kashmir Valley.

Yet some dishonest Indians even give Pandits a population of nearly a million. What a bloody joke, first they forced hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri Muslims out of Jammu and Kashmir and then ignore we ever existed. If Kashmiri Pandits are allowed to return back, then so should the Kashmiri Muslims who were forced out.

Also the idiots who are always flailing on about the decline of minorities in Pakistan forget that even Jammu was a Muslim majority region as proven by the 1941 census with a 67% majority of Muslims. Look at it now, in 2011, it is 62% Hindu.
 
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