1947 Muslim massacre in Jammu

[Sam.]

Yes, of course. Punjabi Muslims in West Pak are glad that the Hindus and Sikhs were evicted from the land. Why should they not be? That was the reason for the partition, it was a clear victory.

But after calling for the creation of a Muslim state, carving out land where all communities lived together - it is utterly stupid to expect the other communities to give everything to the Muslims on a platter. It was surprising that the entire Muslim population in remaining India was not totally wiped out.

Well i have a different perspective.

Muslims who wanted separate nation got Pakistan and rest of us just stuck together and created our own country.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Yes, of course. Punjabi Muslims in West Pak are glad that the Hindus and Sikhs were evicted from the land. Why should they not be? That was the reason for the partition, it was a clear victory.

So when are you vacating Gurdaspur,Amritsar,Ludhiana,Hoshiyarpur,Gurgaon,Rohtak,Ambala,Jalandhar?

But after calling for the creation of a Muslim state, carving out land where all communities lived together - it is utterly stupid to expect the other communities to give everything to the Muslims on a platter.

Ironic how it was the Panjabi muslims who voted for a united panjab and not the sikhs or hindus.

It was surprising that the entire Muslim population in remaining India was not totally wiped out.

Yeah... dont worry you will get there.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Bottom line is that you are a douchebag that forgets it was east Pak which had hindus in majority ... and never Pakistan.

East Pakistan did not have a Hindu majority.

West Pakistan had a 23% of non Muslims in 1941. In 1951, that was 1.2%. That says it all.

So when are you vacating Gurdaspur,Amritsar,Ludhiana,Hoshiyarpur,Gurgaon,Rohtak,Ambala,Jalandhar?

Try harder. Hindus and Sikhs are not going to run away now.

Muslims who wanted separate nation got Pakistan and rest of us just stuck together and created our own country.

85% of Muslims voted for Pakistan.

The only Muslims who voted for the union were Punjabis (irony), KPK ( :o ).

 

[Sam.]

East Pakistan did not have a Hindu majority.

West Pakistan had a 23% of non Muslims in 1941. In 1951, that was 1.2%. That says it all.


Try harder. Hindus and Sikhs are not going to run away now.


85% of Muslims voted for Pakistan.

The only Muslims who voted for the union were Punjabis (irony), KPK ( :o ).

Many didn't even vote so can you tell me the election turnout to be precise ? I bet you can count more that 30-40% who didn't vote as they didn't give shit.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Many didn't even vote so can you tell me the election turnout to be precise ? I bet you can count more that 30-40% who didn't vote as they didn't give shit.

Yeah, that is true. But the current was very strong in the North, especially in the Ganga belt.
'Lekay rahengay Pakistan'
And they took it.

Yeah... dont worry you will get there.

Hehe. There is a higher chance of the opposite happening.

 

[Sam.]

Yeah, that is true. But the current was very strong in the North, especially in the Ganga belt.
'Lekay rahengay Pakistan'
And they took it.


Hehe. There is a higher chance of the opposite happening.

Mainly in UP and BIhar. Also Where nobody gave a shit(North-west) part faced genocide. It's a mind boggling story about where Person A and B fought and Person C suffered and shed into pieces.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Mainly in UP and BIhar. Where nobody gave a shit the part faced genocide. It's a mind boggling story about where Person A and B fought and Person C suffered and shed into pieces.

And Bengal. Bengal was the heart, followed by Lucknow and Delhi. They were the luckiest. They left when the going was good. They started moving in early 47. After reaching Pakistan, they started clearing out Hindus and Sikhs and captured their property. And the cycle started.

 

[Apprentice]

(1931 Census) Kashmiri Muslim population in total state of Jammu and Kashmir: 1,242,281

(1911 Census) Kashmiri Muslim population in Punjab+NWFP: 206,180

^By 1911 nearly a sixth of the Kashmiri Muslim population had migrated to Punjab thanks to Hindu Dogra oppression.

The only Muslims who voted for the union were Punjabis (irony), KPK ( :o ).

So why Indians hate Punjabi Pakistanis?

 

[Sam.]

And Bengal. Bengal was the heart, followed by Lucknow and Delhi. They were the luckiest. They left when the going was good. They started moving in early 47. After reaching Pakistan, they started clearing out Hindus and Sikhs and captured their property. And the cycle started.

Bengal was different case as it partitioned in 1905.

The decision to effect the Partition of Bengal (Bengali: বঙ্গভঙ্গ) was announced in July 1905 by the Viceroy of India, Lord Curzon. The partition took place on 16 October 1905 and separated the largely Muslim eastern areas from the largely Hindu western areas.

They started all this so you can tell i don't see eye to eye with them.

(1931 Census) Kashmiri Muslim population in total state of Jammu and Kashmir: 1,242,281

(1911 Census) Kashmiri Muslim population in Punjab+NWFP: 206,180

^By 1911 nearly a sixth of the Kashmiri Muslim population had migrated to Punjab thanks to Hindu Dogra oppression.



So why Indians hate Punjabi Pakistanis?

They despise whoever in Power due to terrorism , first Karachi (Muhajir gang) now Punjabis.

 

[Vishvamitra]

So when are you vacating Gurdaspur,Amritsar,Ludhiana,Hoshiyarpur,Gurgaon,Rohtak,Ambala,Jalandhar?

Ironic how it was the Panjabi muslims who voted for a united panjab and not the sikhs or hindus.



Yeah... dont worry you will get there.

Thank you for your best wishes

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

is it the same reason why there are almost no hindus left in pakistan because they were killed systematically with state support

no such incident was ever reported. by the way no muslim was left in indian punjab. were they killed?

 

[thesolar65]

Jammu is a peaceful region.

 

[Sam.]

So when are you vacating Gurdaspur,Amritsar,Ludhiana,Hoshiyarpur,Gurgaon,Rohtak,Ambala,Jalandhar?

Ironic how it was the Panjabi muslims who voted for a united panjab and not the sikhs or hindus.



Yeah... dont worry you will get there.

Thank you for your best wishes

https://defence.pk/threads/ethnic-c...ars-ago-by-ishtiaq-ahmed.459804/#post-8887391

They wanted to convert every last one of us and now cry about why we wanted to seprate.

indian bravery

Your post is Ironic sir as you show yours via negative ratings.

 

[Mugwop]

The killing fields of Jammu: How Muslims become a minority in the region
Official records have tried their utmost to suppress the details of a Muslim massacre.

Image credit: Wikimedia Commons
Saeed Naqvi

What was the death toll in the killing fields of Jammu? There are no official figures, so one has to go by reports in the British press of that period. Horace Alexander’s article on 16 January 1948 in The Spectator is much quoted; he put the number killed at 200,000.

To quote a 10 August 1948 report published in The Times, London: “2,37,000 Muslims were systematically exterminated – unless they escaped to Pakistan along the border – by the forces of the Dogra State headed by the Maharaja in person and aided by Hindus and Sikhs. This happened in October 1947, five days before the Pathan invasion and nine days before the Maharaja’s accession to india.” Reportedly, as a result of the massacre/migration, Muslims who were a majority (61 per cent) in the Jammu region became a minority.

Mountbatten was in control in Delhi and had news of the genocide of Muslims in Jammu filtered out of the media. Sadly, there has been precious little discussion in India about this horrible phase of history.
Maharaja Hari Singh’s involvement, with the support of the RSS, is evident from a letter Jawaharlal Nehru wrote to Vallabhbhai Patel on 17 April 1949 (quoted in Frontline magazine):

In this (intelligence) report, among other things, a reference was made to a growing Hindu agitation in Jammu province for what is called a zonal plebiscite. This idea is based on the belief that a plebiscite for the whole of Kashmir is bound to be lost and, therefore, let us save Jammu at least. You will perhaps remember that some proposal of this kind was put forward by the Maharaja some months back. it seems to me that this kind of propaganda is very harmful, indeed, for us. Whatever may happen in the future, I do not think Jammu province is running away from us. If we want Jammu province by itself and are prepared to make a present of the rest of the State to Pakistan, I have no doubt we could clinch the issue in a few days. The prize we are fighting for is the valley of Kashmir. [This is what Nehru had dug in his heels for. The consequences are for all to see to this day.]

This propaganda for a zonal plebiscite is going on in Jammu, in Delhi and elsewhere. It is carried on by what is known as the Jammu Praja Parishad. Our intelligence officer reported that this Praja Parishad is financed by the Maharaja. Further, that the large sums collected for the Dharmarth Fund, which are controlled by the Maharaja, are being spent in propaganda for him.


The lid on these massacres was lifted by Ved Bhasin and a few journalists of that time. But like the collective silence over the pogrom in Hyderabad, the holocaust in Jammu has been a story hidden from public view by the machinations of the very people who covertly allowed the massacres to take place. These included many in the national leadership of the Congress party at the time. The events of Hyderabad and Jammu and Kashmir reveal the emergence in New Delhi of an establishment which was indifferent to Indian Muslims.

Consider the testimony of journalist Ved Bhasin. Here I am again quoting from his paper presented at the Jammu University in 2003.

Communal tension was building up in Jammu soon after the announcement of the Mountbatten plan with the Hindu Sabha, RSS and the Muslim Conference trying to incite communal passions. Tension increased with a large number of Hindus and Sikhs migrating to the State from Punjab and NWFP and even from areas now under Pakistan’s control. Trouble was brewing in Poonch, where a popular non-communal agitation was launched after the Maharaja’s administration took over the erstwhile jagir under its direct control and imposed some taxes. The mishandling of this agitation and use of brutal force by the Maharaja’s administration inflamed the passions, turning this non-communal struggle into a communal strife.

The Maharaja’s administration had not only asked all Muslims to surrender their arms but also demobilised a large number of Muslim soldiers in the Dogra army and the Muslim police officers, whose loyalty it suspected. The Maharaja’s visit to Bhimber was followed by large-scale killings.

Bhasin reports the large-scale killing of Muslims in Udhampur district, particularly in Udhampur proper, Chenani, Ramnagar and Reasi areas. Even in Bhaderwah (about 150 kilometres from Udhampur), a number of Muslims were victims of communal marauders. According to Bhasin, the RSS played a key role in these killings, aided by armed Sikh refugees “who even paraded the Jammu streets with their naked swords”. Some of those who led the riots in Udhampur and Bhaderwah later joined the National Conference and some even served as ministers. There were reports of Muslims massacred in Chhamb, Deva Batala, Manawsar and other parts of Akhnoor, with several of them fleeing to the other side or moving to Jammu. In Kathua district too there was the large-scale killing of Muslims and reports of women being raped and abducted.

As for the attitude of the state, Bhasin alleges that instead of preventing these communal killings and fostering an atmosphere of peace, “the Maharaja’s administration helped and even armed the communal marauders”. He goes on to say that many Muslims living outside Muslim-dominated areas were brutally killed by the rioters who moved freely in vehicles with arms and ammunition even when the city was officially under curfew. “The curfew it appeared was meant only to check the movement of Muslims,” he says.
Terrible carnage took place later when the Muslims in Talab Khatikan area were asked to surrender.

They were shifted to the police lines at Jogi gate, where now Delhi Public School is situated. Instead of providing them security, the administration encouraged them to go to Pakistan for safety. The first batch of several thousands of these Muslims were loaded in about sixty lorries to take them to Sialkot. Unaware of what is going to happen to them these families boarded the buses. The vehicles were escorted by troops. But when they reached near Chattha on Jammu-Sialkot road, in the outskirts of the city, a large number of armed RSS men and Sikh refugees were positioned there.

They were pulled out of the vehicles and killed mercilessly with the soldiers either joining [in] or looking [on] as idle spectators. The news about the massacre was kept a closely guarded secret. next day another batch of these Muslim families were similarly boarded in the vehicles and met the same fate. [T]hose who somehow managed to escape the wrath of killers reached Sialkot to narrate their tale of woe…


The state administration denied it had any role in the massacres. It even feigned ignorance of any plans to change the demography of the Jammu region. But Bhasin differs:

Though polite, he warned me of dire consequences…he first warned me by saying that “I could have put you behind bars for your nefarious activities. But since you also happen to be a Khatri like me and are also related to me, i am simply giving you advice. It is not the time to form peace committees and work for peace but to defend Hindus and Sikhs from the Muslim communalists who are planning to kill them and destabilise the situation. We have already formed a Hindu Sikh Defence Committee. You and your colleagues better support it.” Then he added, “We are imparting armed training to Hindu and Sikh boys in Rehari area. You and your colleagues should better join such training.” When i sent a colleague to the training camp the next day he found that some RSS youths and others were being given training in the use of .303 rifles by soldiers.

Another incident that I recall is about Mr Mehr Chand Mahajan (the then prime minister) who told a delegation of Hindus who met him in the palace when he arrived in Jammu that now when the power is being transferred to the people they should demand parity. [One] of them associated with National Conference asked how can they demand parity when there is so much difference in population ratio. Pointing to the Ramnagarrakh below, where some bodies of Muslims were still lying he said “the population ratio too can change”.

Mahatma Gandhi did comment on the situation in Jammu on 25 December 1947 and his remarks have found mention in volume 90 of his Collected Works: “The Hindus and Sikhs of Jammu and those who had gone there from outside killed Muslims. The Maharaja of Kashmir is responsible for what is happening there…Muslim women have been dishonoured.”

http://scroll.in/bulletins/34/what-you-need-to-know-about-fighting-depression

So this happened before the hindu pundits were expelled from Kashmir,according to rainman the kashmiri muslims attacked the pundits on religious grounds

well... your speciality seems to be negative ratings.. lol.. is that ur special forces ?

When keyboards warriors like you tremble with fear and forget how to spell

 

[suresh1773]

It was the specialty of Hindus to kill and mutilate unarmed people, women and children. https://defence.pk/threads/martyrdom-anniversary-captain-hussain-khan-shaheed-11th-nov-1947.343465/

First of all how many Hindu and Sikh families managed to survive in Azad Kashmir(Pakistan occupied Kashmir). In short there was communal violence on both sides of border. I don't know what u Pakistanis are taught in your history text books