1904 China map admits Paracel, Spratly not Chinese territory

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

At the time when French invaded Vietnam, was Vietnam a vassal state of China?

No, but it was "under the influence"

 

[beijingwalker]

Sino–French War
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this war brought down then French government

Collapse of Ferry's government

Collapse of Ferry's government

 

[faithfulguy]

No, but it was "under the influence"

This is confusing. What the hell is under influence?

Sino–French War
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Sino

From wikipedia. and this is wikipedia so we have to take it cautiously, it states

The Sino–French War, also known as the Tonkin War and Tonquin War,[2] was a limited conflict fought between August 1884 and April 1885 to decide whether France should replace China in control of Tonkin (northern Vietnam).

Base on this, China was in control of Tonkin. Is this true? I thought Vietnam has its own emperor at the time? If so, how was the Chinese in control of Tonkin?

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

This is confusing. What the hell is under influence?

As I said in # 44. Our Vietnamese feudal state fought to get rid of "province" or "vassal", but was still influenced by chinese feudal state many times larger.
Anyway it is pleasant than a "vassal".

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

1862 China map admits Paracel, Spratly not Chinese territory

Official maps of the Yuan Dynasty and Ching
Dynasty, including but not limited to Da Qing Zhi Sheng Quan Tu
(published in 1862) and Huang Chao Yi Tong Yu Di Zen Du (published in
1894), show that the southernmost extent of China ends at Hainan islands

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

From wikipedia. and this is wikipedia so we have to take it cautiously, it states

The Sino–French War, also known as the Tonkin War and Tonquin War,[2] was a limited conflict fought between August 1884 and April 1885 to decide whether France should replace China in control of Tonkin (northern Vietnam).

Base on this, China was in control of Tonkin. Is this true? I thought Vietnam has its own emperor at the time? If so, how was the Chinese in control of Tonkin?

Actually it is the border conflict between the French colonial [Vietnam] and Qing.
Note it was the border war, not the whole Tonkin of Vietnam.

 

[beijingwalker]

Official maps of the Yuan Dynasty and Ching
Dynasty, including but not limited to Da Qing Zhi Sheng Quan Tu
(published in 1862) and Huang Chao Yi Tong Yu Di Zen Du (published in
1894), show that the southernmost extent of China ends at Hainan islands

those are land maps,even in today's China,land maps dont show much beyond the lands boundary.

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

those are land maps,even in today's China,land maps dont show much beyond the lands boundary.

All the Chinese Imperial Maps that I've seen show that Hainan is the southernmost territory of China. Even the Chinese Envoy who was sent here in the Philippines to fetch the remnants of the Pirate King Limahong says that the Chinese Imperial gov't doesn't claim any island beyond Taiwan.

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

All the Chinese Imperial Maps that I've seen show that Hainan is the southernmost territory of China. Even the Chinese Envoy who was sent here in the Philippines to fetch the remnants of the Pirate King Limahong says that the Chinese Imperial gov't doesn't claim any island beyond Taiwan.

Old Maps show that there is no country named America or Philipines

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

those are land maps,even in today's China,land maps dont show much beyond the lands boundary.

But today the Chinese map usually added to "U-shaped" quoted in the corner of the map. But the Chinese always say loudly that its claims at SCS based on "history". lol
lol, U-shaped drawn only in 1947 -1948 under Chiang. lol chinese historical claims.

 

[EastSea]

All the Chinese Imperial Maps that I've seen show that Hainan is the southernmost territory of China. Even the Chinese Envoy who was sent here in the Philippines to fetch the remnants of the Pirate King Limahong says that the Chinese Imperial gov't doesn't claim any island beyond Taiwan.

Yes, by the beginning years of last century when authority protest to China about chinese sea pirates robed on Hoangsa, Cantonese Governor answered that : Islands not belong to China, so China didn't have responsible about such accidents.

 

[faithfulguy]

Actually it is the border conflict between the French colonial [Vietnam] and Qing.
Note it was the border war, not the whole Tonkin of Vietnam.

So it look like France was about to overrun Tonkin. So Vietnam enlisted Chinese help as the last ditch effort. But Chinese were defeated. Vietnam came under total French colonialization.

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

Old Maps show that there is no country named America or Philipines

1734 Murillo-Velarde Philippine Map

 

[beijingwalker]

But today the Chinese map usually added to "U-shaped" quoted in the corner of the map. But the Chinese always say loudly that its claims at SCS based on "history". lol
lol, U-shaped drawn only in 1947 -1948 under Chiang. lol chinese historical claims.

most maps,yes,but not all the maps.some maps only show land boundary.but nowhere on our maps showing the Spratly is not ours.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

So it look like France was about to overrun Tonkin. So Vietnam enlisted Chinese help as the last ditch effort. But Chinese were defeated. Vietnam came under total French colonialization.

French attacked Da Nang city of Vietnam in 1858. The Vietnamese fought against France in 25 years while the Qing china did pee its pants and fled. Only when the French defeated Hanoi and went closer to the border Vietnam-Qing china, until the time it occurred the conflict the French-Qing.