1904 China map admits Paracel, Spratly not Chinese territory

[LetsGetRowdy]

Chinese argument is that that map was a Qing Dynasty map, which was a Manchu empire, a foreign occupier of China, and does not represent modern day China. The Qing map is no more valid than the British map of India, the argument goes.

Manchuria today is part of China, Britain is not part of India, so the argument goes.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Chinese argument is that that map was a Qing Dynasty map, which was a Manchu empire, a foreign occupier of China, and does not represent modern day China. The Qing map is no more valid than the British map of India, the argument goes.

The problems is, all nations recognises the ROC and later the PRC to be the legitimate successor of the Qing dynasty and that the Qing dynasty represented the Chinese nation. In all the documents with foreign countries during the Qing government was called Chinese government.

Here is one example:

Treaty of Nanjing (Nanking), 1842, UCLA Asia Institute

The British government ans well the Chinese government recognised all treaties signed during the Qing dynasty and hence the return of Hongkong after 99 years lease.

 

[illusion8]

they included those islands only during Kuomintang regime via "9 dotted line".no previous document shows that it was under Chinese control..



Indo-Bangladesh-Mayanmar EEZ dispute is in International court.even court settled the dispute of Bangladesh-Mayanmar dispute when we are waiting for next hearing.

BD-Myanmar maritime boundary dispute order Mar 14

Bangladesh vs Myanmar Maritime Boundary Dispute Verdict: A Brief Summary | Sachalayatan

no harm to fight legally if your claim is justified.

but i'm sure in very next post,a chinese member will claim "we don't need outsiders to judge which is our land" kind comment.best of luck with that attitude.


thats an image of dispute between Indo-Bangladesh-Mayanmar EEZ dispute..

off topic: so, Griffin what was the verdict in the BD- myanmar case? and in whose favor?

 

[shuttler]

We sympathize with Vietnamese people. China's aggression must be countered and it will take the unity of ASEAN with powerful nations like USA, Russia, India to neutralize China's threat to SE Asian's access to the sea and to their territories that are within the EEZ.

Haha, so much sympathy!

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Chinese argument is that that map was a Qing Dynasty map, which was a Manchu empire, a foreign occupier of China, and does not represent modern day China. The Qing map is no more valid than the British map of India, the argument goes.

Manchurians are Chinese! They are living all over China. The Red Indians are Americans or Canadians. They once owned North America!

 

[GR!FF!N]

off topic: so, Griffin what was the verdict in the BD- myanmar case? and in whose favor?

both claimed win..actually both loose few points and gain some.read here..

Judgment in Bangladesh-Myanmar Maritime Boundary Dispute | International Law Observer | A blog dedicated to reports, commentary and the discussion of topical issues of international law

Bangladesh vs Myanmar Maritime Boundary Dispute Verdict: A Brief Summary | Sachalayatan

it says..Bangladesh demanded 107,000 square kilometres (sq-km) in the Bay of Bengal, but the ITLOS verdict awarded the country with 111,000 sq-km, according to the MoFA sources. (though i doubt that)

here is another,more informative link...

Who Won in Bay of Bengal? Hasina! | BDINN.com

 

[beijingwalker]

it's a land map,everyone see that,and where in the map shows they belong to Vietnam?

 

[gambit]

The problems is, all nations recognises the ROC and later the PRC to be the legitimate successor of the Qing dynasty and that the Qing dynasty represented the Chinese nation. In all the documents with foreign countries during the Qing government was called Chinese government.

Here is one example:

Treaty of Nanjing (Nanking), 1842, UCLA Asia Institute

The British government ans well the Chinese government recognised all treaties signed during the Qing dynasty and hence the return of Hongkong after 99 years lease.

Then will China concede to the Treaty of Shimonoseki regarding Taiwan?

 

[beijingwalker]

Then will China concede to the Treaty of Shimonoseki regarding Taiwan?

Japan denounced it after being defeated in WW2.

 

[EastSea]

Japan can reclaim Taiwan like China reclaim Sinkaku.

 

[Srinivas]

Chinese here won't realize the truth. They will post only communist propaganda with out even thinking about it.

 

[faithfulguy]

Then will China concede to the Treaty of Shimonoseki regarding Taiwan?

Yes, and this treaty was over turned in the treaty of San Francisco.

 

[LetsGetRowdy]

Chinese here won't realize the truth. They will post only communist propaganda with out even thinking about it.

And what is the truth? and what is 'communist propaganda'? It looks like you made this post without even thinking about it.

 

[beijingwalker]

Japan can reclaim Taiwan like China reclaim Sinkaku.

then they need to launch another war and they also have to win that war,you may go to Japan and request them to do that,good luck.

Chinese here won't realize the truth. They will post only communist propaganda with out even thinking about it.

we never post anything from Chinese media,and since when Reuters,BBC,Wikipedia...become communist propaganda channels??

 

[gambit]

Japan denounced it after being defeated in WW2.

Denounced? Hardly. Renounce is a different issue.

San Francisco Peace Treaty

(b) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores.

If I give you a plot of land and later you renounce all claims and rights to that land, its ownership does not automatically revert back to me. If I sold you a car and later you abandoned it, it does not mean its title reverts back to me. In both situations, the first renunciation of all claims and rights are not negated by the later renunciations. If we do not respect this business rule, there would be chaos because everyone will be allowed to interpret any transaction they wish.

 

[Srinivas]

And what is the truth? and what is 'communist propaganda'? It looks like you made this post without even thinking about it.

Read some history, Intenational maritime laws and the article which was posted in the thread before jumping to post.