11 flights cancelled due to PIA, PALPA tiff

[Indus Falcon]

Why is that all the compulsory teaching and exhortations of Islam over the decades are not having their desired effect in a overwhelmingly Muslim society? Before prescribing more religion as the treatment, why not assess the efficacy of the existing dose?

Can't let any opportunity to insult Islam go, can you? Irrespective of how offtopic your rant maybe.

@Oscar

 

[Indus Falcon]

Asking a question is not an insult to Islam, or to Pakistan, or to PIA.

Asking a question - Sure. Twisting irrelevant things to show Islam in a bad light, is an old habit off yours.

 

[VCheng]

Actually, PIA's performance is not all that bad:

 

[Dubious]

Actually, PIA's performance is not all that bad:

View attachment 261981

52% on time is not bad for say if PIA didnt get funds to retrieve itself repeatedly...

Revoke the licenses of a couple of pilots who refuse to fly from the large airports, Karachi/ Lahore/ Islamabad/ Multan etc and the rest will get their act together.

How can such an act take place esp when these jobs were "awarded"to some pilots under some minister or MNA/ MPA

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

How can such an act take place esp when these jobs were "awarded"to some pilots under some minister or MNA/ MPA

Easy to prove that the PIA isn't a "National Interest/Security" if it ever was the Military would have clamped down on these corrupt hiring practices.

Back in the 1980-81 there was a strike by the National Air Controllers Association, President Reagan ordered them back to work, ~11,300 refused so he fired them all and banned them from any Federal Employment. Of course, he later hired some back, and Bill Clinton revoked the ban in his presidency.

Perhaps the most important, and then highly controversial, domestic initiative was the firing of the air traffic controllers in August 1981. The President invoked the law that striking government employees forfeit their jobs, an action that unsettled those who cynically believed no President would ever uphold that law. President Reagan prevailed, as you know, but far more importantly his action gave weight to the legal right of private employers, previously not fully exercised, to use their own discretion to both hire and discharge workers. -Alan Greenspan

52% on time is not bad for say if PIA didnt get funds to retrieve itself repeatedly...

52% on time performance is bad.

@Indus Falcon aren't most of these pilots ex PAF? Or is there actually a pretty strong civilian pilot program available in Pakistan?

 

[Indus Falcon]

Actually, PIA's performance is not all that bad:

View attachment 261981

Source.......?

For this chart, what was the basis of declaring a "delay." How many mins. were given as a acceptable "on time," before being declared a "delay"? How many of these delays were because of weather, or some other unforeseen circumstances / medical emergency?


Just posting a chart out of the blue, with two months of data, to hide your insults on Islam. Sorry but you failed miserably.

@Indus Falcon aren't most of these pilots ex PAF? Or is there actually a pretty strong civilian pilot program available in Pakistan?

Not any more. The got smart, moved out for the $'s
In the management you don't see a lot of ex-PAF either, like you used to, now the top honchos are 90% political appointees. No fan of NS, but PIA seems to be doing better in his tenure.

The civilian Pilot program is so messed up, it would make one cry. Civilian air schools are discouraged for some odd reason, via the red tape. The import duties on small aircraft is horrendous. Extremely poor state of affairs unfortunately.

@ACE OF THE AIR is quite an expert on the civilian pilot situation, as well as a licensed civilian pilot.

 

[Dubious]

Easy to prove that the PIA isn't a "National Interest/Security" if it ever was the Military would have clamped down on these corrupt hiring practices.

no idea how it fits the bill

Back in the 1980-81 there was a strike by the National Air Controllers Association, President Reagan ordered them back to work, ~11,300 refused so he fired them all and banned them from any Federal Employment. Of course, he later hired some back, and Bill Clinton revoked the ban in his presidency.

I think Reagan was wise wonder why NS and cabin cant even learn from tried examples

52% on time performance is bad.

I know and some want to make it a sticker of pride

licensed civilian pilot.

I think @DESERT FIGHTER has a license or wanted one

 

[Tiger Genie]

flight cancellations are a nuisance but why is everyone automatically jumping to the conclusion that the unions are in the wrong? You cannot force a manufacturer to sell at a particular price, so why force labor to work at a price that's lower than they are willing to?

BTW the above is NOT a socialist argument.

BTW2: Do PIA staff also get free flying benefits for entire family including parents, like the Air India maharajas do? The number of times I have had to object to some staff's uncle being 'escorted' to the front of the line is atrocious. They stop only when you resort to shouting

 

[Dubious]

flight cancellations are a nuisance but why is everyone automatically jumping to the conclusion that the unions are in the wrong? You cannot force a manufacturer to sell at a particular price, so why force labor to work at a price that's lower than they are willing to?

BTW the above is NOT a socialist argument

Then quit we have plenty of people dying for a job!
2ndly these pilots have been nothing but a shame - drinking, smuggling, stealing.....wouldnt be surprised if they got the position due to some safarish hence they retarded ego that they can do as they please!!

PIA which isnt earning good is paying them what they deserve for bringing a bad name to our country! 2ndly, you do know that to increase pay you need money.... the bloody company has been revived 2x we dont need to waste any more money on it!

 

[Tiger Genie]

Then quit we have plenty of people dying for a job!
2ndly these pilots have been nothing but a shame - drinking, smuggling, stealing.....wouldnt be surprised if they got the position due to some safarish hence they retarded ego that they can do as they please!!

PIA which isnt earning good is paying them what they deserve for bringing a bad name to our country! 2ndly, you do know that to increase pay you need money.... the bloody company has been revived 2x we dont need to waste any more money on it!

I actually agree with you and you could simply replace PIA with AI and most of that will hold. Just wanted to see the other side of the coin

 

[Dubious]

I actually agree with you and you could simply replace PIA with AI and most of that will hold. Just wanted to see the other side of the coin

Were the compnay a mulitbullion dollar co. and not giving a raise while the pilots were squeaky clean from being caught on multiple charges ....then maybe some would have supported this

 

[Faiez]

Were the compnay a mulitbullion dollar co. and not giving a raise while the pilots were squeaky clean from being caught on multiple charges ....then maybe some would have supported this

A private company has complete right to hire and fire at it's will. The "some" have no say in private businesses, unless they own a part of it....

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

The actual issue is because of working agreement between PIAC and PALPA.

This issue falls under Contract Law... There is nothing that the CAA do...
CAA has to fulfill the international standards that are set by ICAO...

 

[Yazp]

Each day we are driven mad for money,first doctors now Pilots,we need to teach ethics in schools,colleges and uni's.

Gulags*

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

@Indus Falcon aren't most of these pilots ex PAF? Or is there actually a pretty strong civilian pilot program available in Pakistan?

To understand Pakistan International Airline you would have to read this
Orient Airways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pakistan International Airline pilots are mostly from the civilian flight training programs but there are some retired Air Force or those who have left Pakistan Air Force on their own wish.
Pakistan has a law in which there are number of minimum years that are required before one can ask for earlier release.

Pakistan Airline when selecting pilots does not discriminate between a fresh CPL licencee with 200 flight hours with a person have 7000 flight hour of military flights, hence both these pilots would be sent to the lowest (ATR-42) equipment as First officers. However the person with 7000 hrs of experience would be the senior one due to his AGE.

The pilots would have to go through the same progression system till they retire at an age of 60 years which is a requirement of The Constitution of Pakistan. However the pilots are allowed to fly till the age of 65 years but that is on Contract. This is the reason most of the pilots from PIA tend to leave earlier and work in private airlines or international airlines.

@Indus Falcon