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  1. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    With how serious these kinds of discussions can become, It's often hard to tell... Sadly the people who attacked Mashal don't seem to trust the law. Even if this barbaric act had never happened, 295-C is still un-Islamic, which is why it should be opposed as a matter of principle.
  2. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    Did you really think that being a Muslim and citing the Qu'ran I would be in favour of the act of blasphemy? Like I said, no one wants to remove the law. Just amend it so it is in line with actual Islamic teachings.
  3. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    So you're saying 295-C was supposed to prevent people from taking the law into their own hands - well, did it work? There is no coordinated, proper mainstream counter-narrative, yes, that is true. What we are doing on this forum is opposing injustice in principle. And simply discussing the...
  4. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    Agreed, that is exactly the narrative we already are promoting, if you read my previous posts, I have consistently argued that from an Islamic perspective killing people over blasphemy is wrong, and have mentioned the forgiveness and patience shown by the Holy Prophet s.a.w and his companions...
  5. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    Our rulers are more worried about things like escaping the Panama verdict so they can continue with their corruption and building metro buses to get re-elected. The current political system is flawed, certainly. I don't think you'll find anyone on this forum, or outside it for that matter...
  6. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    We don't have proper leadership, that is true. So far the positive things are that the KP system is working, investigating the murder, IK visited the victim's family, and many people have come out in support for Mashal. The intimidation factor is breaking up, and that is good. But there is no...
  7. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    Look, we can not give up on justice because some people have taken hardline stances. It needs to be made clear that this law is not being changed because of psuedo-liberals but because it is unjust and goes against Islamic principles. Besides, even from a political point of view, If the...
  8. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    Brother, in Parliament our politicians waste so much time arguing over petty things, insulting each other, making jokes and so on - our Govt spends more time and resources trying to insult Imran Khan than they do on foreign affairs. Amending this law is certainly more important than those...
  9. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    Any non-Muslim living in a Muslim country counts as a Dhimmi, as citizenship is essentially a contract, so as far as Pakistan is concerned it applies to all the non-Muslim minorities. You are in no position to remind me of anything - I am well aware of the basics, while you do not seem to...
  10. TankMan

    Winner Of Pakistani Trials To Be Locally Produced

    There is more powder in the cartridge, so the bullet has a higher velocity, and also travels further. So yes, the 7.62x51 has a greater range, which is why it's often used in sniper rifles and DMR (Designated Marksman Rifles). It is also better at piercing armour and does more damage in general...
  11. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    @CriticalThought Let's get one thing out of the way - do you now agree that the Pakistan blasphemy law goes against Islam and the teachings of Imam Abu Hanifa? Because I have proven to you that Imam Abu Hanifa said non-Muslims can not be given the death penalty for blasphemy. The Pakistan Penal...
  12. TankMan

    Winner Of Pakistani Trials To Be Locally Produced

    These are all different calibers of bullets. The first number, e.g 5.56 or 7.62, is the width of the bullet. The second number, e.g 39 or 51, is the length of the cartridge, which contains the powder. So 7.62x51 is generally more powerful than 7.62x39, but the cartridge is also much heavier...
  13. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    I'm not extrapolating this to Muslims, as the rationale for Muslim blasphemers is different as it comes into the realm of Apostasy, which is a different matter altogether. But the Pakistan blasphemy law doesn't make this distinction - even non Muslims are given the death penalty for a single...
  14. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    The quote you posted says the exact same thing I did, only in Urdu. 'Imam Abu Hanifa aur un ke ashab kehte hein ke nabi akram s.a.w ko gali dene se nah to zimmi ka ehd toota hai aur na hi us ka qatl lazim aata hai' Translation; 'Imam Abu hanifa and his students believe that Blasphemy against...
  15. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    Views established by whom? No, not really. Even Imam Abu Hanifa didn't share that view, and he is perhaps the most influential scholar of all time. He declared that non-Muslims can not be punished for the first offense, and even repeat offenders can not be killed. He also believed it was a...
  16. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    Islam is much more reasonable than those who misuse and distort it. It is also much more resilient. Reason and Justice will prevail In sha Allah
  17. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    No janaab, you clearly haven't been reading any of my posts properly. Ka'ab bin Ashraf was killed for supporting enemies against Muslims in wartime, for inciting violence against Muslims, and for attempting to kill the Holy Prophet s.a.w. Blasphemy was not his only crime.
  18. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    Yes, so far the KP justice system appears to be doing its job properly. I have hopes, but it's not over yet. This is a test for the system, so far it looks like it will 'pass'. But anything can happen.
  19. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    None of this addresses the fact that it directly contradicts the Quran. 'follow me' doesn't mean 'all commands are compulsory forever', read that verse carefully and be reasonable; wartime commands can not be applied at all times. For example, when the Prophet (s.a.w) gave the command to build...
  20. TankMan

    قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

    What I am telling you is that Quran takes precedence over any Hadith in terms of Sharia and Islamic jurisprudence. Now tell me, O great scholar, which part of this is wrong? I have a very good idea about how Sharia works - respond to my argument, don't resort to personal comments. Hadith...
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