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  1. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    I may not agree with all the Reasons Jinnah has stated but I am resigned to it... and since it has ratification of many therefore I respect it... Similarly if I don't believe in God doesn't mean I don't respect your beliefs or I view Muslims or Christians in a lesser light.. It depends on...
  2. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    I am not sure if it was internationally reported too.. neither do I recollect having read non Pakistani Hindus, Sikhs etc. supporting their Pakistani co-religionists? If I again remember correctly Babri Masjid sparked unprecedented backlash against non Muslim Pakistanis... Parsis are...
  3. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    I don't see any contradiction in this... I believe Altaf Hussain also said this.... Eg. Babri Masjid was a mistake to me but those who were involved in demolishing it still think it is the right thing to do... is it a question of respect or is it a difference in opinion? Eg. Ghazni...
  4. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    If I am not wrong hundreds of non Muslim places of worship have been destroyed or converted in Pakistan... The only difference was in India it sparked a universal (passive) condemnation by a majority of the population.. and resulted in riots.. in Pakistan there was no resistance, not sure...
  5. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    I agree Dalits don't lose the tag but Uppercaste Muslims discriminate against Dalit Muslims, Dalit Sikhs are discriminated against by upper caste Sikhs. etc. and this is what some Indian members were saying that Muslims discriminate amongst themselves on the basis of caste too.. and...
  6. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    if such were the case why would discrimination occur?? Dalits very much live with their non dalit counterparts... and today because of democracy things have changed... in Dalit dominated districts Dalits are more powerful than non Dalits... and most of the uppercastes who are educated and...
  7. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    RR admittedly Sikhism is against Caste system but have a look at a Sikh matrimonial Sites and decide for yourself... Jeevansathi Matrimonials- Registration Page Punjabi Matrimony - Regular Search There are alteast 2 dozen Sikh castes mentioned.. You may have to register.. PS: Sikhism is also...
  8. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    are you telling me Untouchability in India is widespread??????? Dalits means low caste... For eg. almost a century back a Sikh Jat did not touch a Hindu Jat .. now they intermarry... a Brahmin wouldn't touch a Yadav, now Yadav's discriminate against Brahmins... A Hindu Rajput wouldn't touch...
  9. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    and pray why are they not??? Tell me the examples you have an issue with and I will post my reference... So aren't Sikhs from lower castes?? Many sikhs are from low castes and they are given reservations on the basis of their castes... Kanshi Ram was a Sikh too and he converted to...
  10. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    AN untouchability has vanished and what you see are very isolated and rare incidents ..... caste based discrimination is what the fight is all about but things are already looking up.... Dalits already are power centres in UP and Bihar the 2 most populous and feudal states PS: Funnily...
  11. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    I am up for the challenge of 1000names.. what shall be my prize? BTW 30 instead of 10 examples for you... 1. Mulayam Singh Yadav, Ex-DM, EX-CM 2. Kanshi Ram, Chamar 3. Giani Zail Singh, Ex-Pres of India, ex-CM of Punjab, OBC 4. Ashok Gehlot, Ex-CM 5. Sushil Kumar Shinde, EX-CM 6...
  12. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    I believe Shaikhs are descendants of Hindus (mostly uppercastes)... Sharifs/Sayyids are descendants of Prophet...
  13. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    Threat of sword aka threat of death... Thanks for clearing my doubt about Allama's background.. I well and truly believe a significant number of South Asians muslims converted to Islam for either political, monetary purposes or under threat of sword.. so their reasons for conversion were less...
  14. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    Fundamentals of Society rapidly change.. what was unacceptable a century back is today acceptable and vice versa.. Indian society was quite mature and civilized even in olden times and even during the so-called dark ages was a shining example of a civilised society.. (not to say it is...
  15. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    Mustapha, Discrimination overt or covert in India is a fact of life.. as it is the case all over the world... To say the situation of Dalits is mighty comfortable is an understatement but upon comparing their situation y-o-y or d-o-d or century-on-century it has improved dramatically.. Dalits...
  16. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    Actually if you happen to travel along the Grand Trunk Road you would be surprised to see hundreds of Dargahs, Mazars, Mosques most of them cared for and run by non muslims... I came across a fine example.. Hindus believe in different Gods and Godesses and all having different beliefs...
  17. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    and who sent their mighty forces??? Iraq?? Pakistan as a land/country never existed before 1947's .. a better debater in this case would be Roadrunner... if Pakistanis were not majority Muslims I have no doubt in mind that Pakistan wouldn't have been even thought of... Indians do not think...
  18. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    If you don't respect my views why would I yours? It is not a question of whether I agree or not it is a question of respect and your right to believe in what you believe.. Voltaire's quote would be too dramatic in this case... Partition was the thing that led to Pakistan so whether it was...
  19. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    If those forums are being run by GoI then saying Pakistan Zindabad is tolerable IMO. else personal biases rule the roost... ICL players, cricket spectators, Pak singers at reality contests and their fans fly the Pakistani flag all within the borders of India.. PS: Liked the advert. of Jal...
  20. Malang

    Partition was a mistake

    The Muslims have their Personal Law boards.. and if a Muslim wants to have 4 wives in India he can... this is an extension of freedom to follow one's religion and its tenets.. All India Muslim Personal Law Board "In what may come as a big relief to the Muslim women, their husbands would...
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