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Will 500 of them be flying in Pakistani skies? The Chinese can afford to lose them, they have the funds to manufacture, maintain, upgrade hundreds of them and replace them if/when they are lost in combat - I doubt very much that PAF can do the same. JF-17 is a different story. In the future...

Agreed. The reason JF-17 is essential for PAF is because F-7, Mirage, A-5 cannot be upgraded to match it - even if they are, they will still be less capable yet far more costly to develop, maintain and upgrade further than JF.

You guys are the ones saying LCA Mark 1 is more manoeuvrable than JF-17 even though you have no evidence for that whatsoever. We have evidence that LCA's manoeuvrability is not up to scratch because it is being redesigned specifically to improve manoeuvrability. Simple. Why are you discussing...

Thank you for bringing us this information sir! We appreciate it very much. I would like you to confirm that by J-10B, you mean the dual-seat fighter/trainer variant of J-10A? If so, this variant is actually referred to as J-10S according to sinodefence website. :) Dear sir. If you take a look...

Some say he has seen every episode of Top Gear 10 times, and that he roams the internet at night looking for internet arguments on JF-17. All we know is, he's NOT the stig. But he IS the stig's Pakistani cousin! :lol: Agreed. I believe if Pakistan got the latest IRST sensors from an outside...

So what if Chinese are still evaluating? What similarities does China have with Pakistan that mean PLAAF must have the same aircraft as PAF? Have you looked at a map of Asia recently? The reason that Pakistanis feel JF-17 is the best fighter Pakistan could have laid its hands on is simple. It...

The DAS system is impressive. Can't be too difficult for China to come up with something similar, there will already be sensors on the J-10B/FC-20 airframe providing missile approach warning. Switch them to IRS&T/FLIR sensors and integrate them into the cockpit and helmet-mounted displays, radar...

:disagree: I keep reading posts that PAF "need the j-11", but I haven't read anybody say what it is needed for that the J-10 with good radars, aerial refuellers, AEW&C and cruise missiles cannot do. Just look at it: I'm sorry, but the bloody thing is f***ing enormous. Considering how much of...

According to H Khan on Pakdef, the paperwork is done and the contract is signed. J-10 will be in Pak. in late 2009/early 2010. :cool:

Agreed. Stop this racist crap all of you, this website is NOT a Pakistani version of Bharat Rakshak. Moderators please take action against these silly kids, they are giving Pakistanis a bad name.

Agreed on both these points. I do not understand why PAF needs a jet with the range of J-11. It would be useful in maritime strike ops, but the J-10 can do the same job with an aerial refueller. Mark I agree that 2-4 squadrons of Flankers would be a powerful force multiplier, but 2-4 more aerial...

IMO you are very much mistaken :) I don't see what use PAF has for these extra capabilities. I would rather PAF bought 100 J-10 than 50 J-11. They cannot afford the luxury of such a large, high-maintenance aircraft that can be shot down just as easily as any other non-stealthy fighter. IMO...

I understand the point you guys are making, that China does not want to make their latest greatest fighter J-10 look bad by losing to J-11. But the fact of the matter is this: the latest European fighters have delta wings with canards. These aircraft were specifically designed during the later...

According to Tphuang, in mock combat J-10s have "crushed" J-11. That is with test pilots flying the J-10 and China's best fighter pilots flying the J-11 (the test pilots won't be as familiar with the latest air combat tactics as the elite fighter pilots according to Tphuang). J-11B is only...

Good article mean_bird, thanks for finding and posting it. The IAF themselves say "Fact: PAF pilots are flying some of the very latest combat aircraft", yet there are kids coming here trying to convince people that "PAF only flies old out-dated planes so they do not know how to use the latest...

You are wrong because jamming does not reduce RCS unless it is actively cancelling out the incoming radiowaves, and active cancellation is so difficult that it is easier to make F-22. Radar works by sending out radio-waves, stealth is supposed to stop those radio-waves bouncing off your jet and...

:lol: Yeah right. That is pretty much exactly what you guys have been saying! Admit it. You guys have been constantly shouting LCA is stealthy and superior to JF-17. Now when people show you they are not foolish enough to believe you without researching the facts, you say "oh no wait, actually...

Some information on Chinese FLIR/targeting pods: The Blue Sky navigational (FLIR) pod: Blue Sky navigation pod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia LT-2 Laser Guided Bomb | SinoDefence.com (3rd paragraph) Air Weapons: Chinese Laser Guided Bombs The FILAT (Forward-Looking Infra-red Laser...

Sorry for the long replies, but your posts are very innaccurate. It is not "hard for you to prove". It is impossible for you to prove what is not released to the public, unless you have inside information. Can you even prove LCA's thrust to weight ratio (TWR) is better than that of JF-17? It...

Cmon bro, do you seriously think anybody who knows that kind of information will post it on the internet? We don't even know JF's actual TWR!