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That is my point. You also assume as fact something that is going against plain english grammar. So that is an inference/interpretation on your part and not FACT. And i will tell you to learn from people who have already established this prohibition . Ergo, the Fatwas. That part does not...

You differ in the words not meaning prohibition. That is an OPINION because plain english dictates that when someone tells you not do anything , it generally means prohibition. The simplest solution is most likely the correct one. You rejected my basis for the Hadeeth showing prohibition, by...

What you claim as FACT is also merely your interpretation of the matter. Lunar calculations are not prohibited per se, they just can’t be used to determine the beginning of Ramzan/Eid . I can also claim this as fact using Occam’s Razor. I gave you references of the fatwas for the very reason...

That would be a debate on whether the words “Do not” mean prohibition. I am of the view that it is. You are of the view that it isn’t. It is a matter of interpretation. Majority ruling(Fatwas) on the subject is that it means prohibition. Hanbali/Shafi school of thought being the exception...

Yet the Jahil awam still follows(in significant numbers) these parties, whose sole aim is to save the money they earned through corruption and save their skin.

It does work like that whenever a religious tenant must be established. All religious duties(Farz) are established using proper description of methodology in both Quran and Sunnah. For your argument on something that is neither permitted nor prohibited, do know that such a thing is generally to...

More worrying is the nexus of PPP-PMLN-PTM at home. Just look at all the parties suddenly braying in favour of PTM.

So this reinforces the point even more. All the chest-thumping from the Indian side was pure election propaganda. Nothing else.

Well by that logic, you have not provided a single clear indication that calculation can be used to determine the start of Ramzan/Eid either. So it swings both ways.!I quoted Primary Islamic texts before i quoted ulema. You disagree with the meaning that is quite literal , of the primary islamic...

Wonderfully informative post. I am interested in more history on Sultan Muhammad Fateh. Can you point to a book i can read?

I have maintained that the Hadeeth i shared is quite valid proof that any method besides physically sighting the moon are not allowed . If “Do not” is not prohibitive than I don’t know what is. That is the point i make and i am still of the view that this very plainly, is prohibition. I will...

Thank you for trying to answer my post. I already posted translations where 2-185 showed to have the word “sight” or “witness” in it. I posted translations from Mufti Taqi Usmani and Sahih International that did in fact say the word sight. They are translations that carry much more weight than...

And what has that got to do with you? If you don’t have anything but drivel to say , stop posting on this forum.

I have at no time denied the scientific fact. My argument is never doubting the science. I fully know what the moon does during the entire course of it's life. I also know that there is a chance that i wont sight it. You can repeat the astronomy lessons if that is a fetish of yours. I am well...

Why did you quote my post when all you wanted to do is rant.?

You again misrepresent what i am trying to say. Calculation and science is quite fine. I even said there are Hadeeth that support counting of days of Shaban, but not for the purpose of replacing moon sighting but to know when to look for the moon of Ramzan Your Hadeeth do not show...

I think already stated i could not find Maududi’s version that i had read. I already agreed to this so no need repeating it. I still provided his interview where he clearly says moon sighting is Shariah and calculation is not. Now that that’s out of the way, I established the said prohibition...

You posted my exact words, out of context. I replied with the context. Prohibition is established when the Prophet(PBUH) says “Do not Fast until you sight the crescent. “ This is not prohibition? I don’t believe any form of calculation is considered “sight” by any stretch of the imagination...

It is very easy to cherry pick something out of context and present it as something else. Let me paste my reply with context The ayah i quoted is about moon sighting. Denying an obvious fact wont change what the ayah is about. What else do you sight for sawm? What does the ayah say? I very...

I am talking about why it cant be decided before eid. As for why Fawad Ch declared Eid on 5th without consultation or approval, i can only shake my head at his idiocy. I agree. He shouldn’t have announced it prematurely.