Zhuhai Air Show 2014 - Updates & Discussions

[xueri]

You mean China copy the bras mo from the Russian?

Neither Russian nor Indian has exported Brahmos(or Ruby) to China.
But Brahmos is a typical Russian weapon.
It's not an advanced tech.
China figured that out easily.
Copy a design ideal of a weapon should not be considered "copy", I think.

 

[Beast]

What u suggest, better than Su35 ?

J-16. The su-35 finishing is damm poor. Take a good look at j20blackdragon post of close up of su35 and you will know the answer. If you want to end up like indian su mki with frequent crash. Please go ahead.

Our new fighter jet uses more composite and latest 3D printing which eliminate welding. Ensure stronger structure and less titanium wastage.

 

[cnleio]

J-16. The su-35 finishing is damm poor. If you want to end up like indian su mki with frequent crash. Please go ahead.

Our new fighter jet uses more composite and latest 3D printing which eliminate welding. Ensure stronger structure and less titanium wastage.

Su35 with 117S vector jet engines be good at dogfight, the Paris Air Show prove it. About India Su30mki crash, most assembled by their HAL killing factory not Russian fault. Our WS-15 doesn't out yet ... BTW who tell u J-16 is a air-superiority fighter & better than Su35 ? As far as i knew J-16 designed for multi-role mission like F-15C "bomb truck".

OKay. Whatever u like or dislike Sino-Russia will sign Su35 deal in this ZhuHai Air Show, China will buy some Su35 fighters and 117S jet engines from Russia.

And compared with 4-gen F-22, J-20, T-50 etc, 3.5-gen Su35 cheaper ... u can't pay for all 4-gen fighters to replace large 3-gen fighter numbers, so we need Su35.

 

[Shinigami]

Su35 with 117S vector jet engines be good at dogfight, the Paris Air Show prove it. About India Su30mki crash, most assembled by their HAL killing factory not Russian fault. Our WS-15 doesn't out yet ... BTW who tell u J-16 is a air-superiority fighter & better than Su35 ? As far as i knew J-16 designed for multi-role mission like F-15C "bomb truck".

OKay. Whatever u like or dislike Sino-Russia will sign Su35 deal in this ZhuHai Air Show, China will buy some Su35 fighters and 117S jet engines from Russia.

the last crash happened on a russian made su30mki sold to india on 2002.
HAL has little to do with the crashes, please do some research before saying things like that.

Accidents
A Su-30MKI fighter crashed on 30 April 2009 in the Pokhran region of Rajasthan, at Rajmathai village, around 170 km from Jaisalmer, after it took off from Pune during a routine sortie, killing one of its two pilots. Defence minister A. K. Antony, stated that the likely cause of the crash was "failure of the fly-by-wire system". The Sukhoi fleet was then grounded for around three weeks.[17] However it was found that the crash was caused by the incorrect position of critical switches behind the pilots and outside their field of view. The aircraft crashed when a critical switch was toggled disabling the Flight control system. Wing Commander PS Nara was killed in the mishap, while Wing Commander SV Munje was injured. Critical switches identified by the accident investigators were inhibited.[77]

Another Su-30MKI crashed on 30 November 2009 in Jathegaon, about 40 km from Jaisalmer after a fire warning.[17] Both aircrew ejected safely. As a result the entire fleet of Su-30MKIs was grounded while the cause of the problem was investigated. It was attributed to accidental ingestion of a foreign material in the engine intake.[78][79]

A Su-30MKI crashed on 13 December 2011; both the pilots ejected safely. The aircraft had taken off from the Lohegaon Indian Air Force Base near Pune, crashing at Wade-Bholai village, 20 kilometres from Pune. Preliminary reports said that the crash was due to a malfunction in the fly-by-wire system. Wing Commander Gurkirat Singh Sohal, the pilot of the plane was conferred with the Vayu Sena Medal (Gallantry).[80]

An IAF Su-30MKI crashed at the Pokhran range during the rehearsal of the Iron Fist Exercise on 19 February 2013. The aircraft was on a night flying training mission. Just after completing the mission, the aircraft's right wing exploded, both the pilots ejected safely and there was no damage to any property or life on ground. A Court of Inquiry was ordered to investigate the crash,[81][82] and later, the WSO Wing Commander Vikram Singh Chauhan was awarded the Vayusena Medal (Gallantry) for his act of exceptional courage.[83]

On 14 October 2014, an IAF Su-30MKI on a training mission crashed 20 km off Pune Lohegaon Air Force Station. Wing Commander Sidharth V. Munje and his co-pilot Flying Officer Anup Kumar ejected safely.[84][85] A court of inquiry has been ordered to investigate the accident.[86] A team of Russian experts arrived in India to evaluate the IAF Su-30 fleet, which has been grounded since the crash.[87]

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Each entitle his opinion, but I just love Su-35, if Chinese AF signed contract to acquire this fighter, someones gonna smack his head really hard ...like this

 

[Ultima Thule]

Su35 is beautiful, the fighter worth buying

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SU35 is crap throw it to the garbage

What u suggest, better than Su35 ?

it's a 1995 design and if you developing J-20 and J-31 there is nothing for Su35

 

[cnleio]

SU35 is crap throw it to the garbage

it's a 1995 design and if you developing J-20 and J-31 there is nothing for Su35

Even American can't afford thousand F-22 or F-35 to replace all 3-gen fighters, take care Chinese don't want bankrupt ... so China need Su-35 to replace old fighters like J-7 and J-8II ... our 15~20 years ago Su-27sk / Su-27ubk / J-11 will retire from PLAAF.

My words again :

And compared with 4-gen F-22, J-20, T-50 etc, 3.5-gen Su35 cheaper ... u can't pay for all 4-gen fighters to replace large 3-gen fighter numbers, so we need Su35.

the last crash happened on a russian made su30mki sold to india on 2002.
HAL has little to do with the crashes, please do some research before saying things like that.

Accidents
A Su-30MKI fighter crashed on 30 April 2009 in the Pokhran region of Rajasthan, at Rajmathai village, around 170 km from Jaisalmer, after it took off from Pune during a routine sortie, killing one of its two pilots. Defence minister A. K. Antony, stated that the likely cause of the crash was "failure of the fly-by-wire system". The Sukhoi fleet was then grounded for around three weeks.[17] However it was found that the crash was caused by the incorrect position of critical switches behind the pilots and outside their field of view. The aircraft crashed when a critical switch was toggled disabling the Flight control system. Wing Commander PS Nara was killed in the mishap, while Wing Commander SV Munje was injured. Critical switches identified by the accident investigators were inhibited.[77]

Another Su-30MKI crashed on 30 November 2009 in Jathegaon, about 40 km from Jaisalmer after a fire warning.[17] Both aircrew ejected safely. As a result the entire fleet of Su-30MKIs was grounded while the cause of the problem was investigated. It was attributed to accidental ingestion of a foreign material in the engine intake.[78][79]

A Su-30MKI crashed on 13 December 2011; both the pilots ejected safely. The aircraft had taken off from the Lohegaon Indian Air Force Base near Pune, crashing at Wade-Bholai village, 20 kilometres from Pune. Preliminary reports said that the crash was due to a malfunction in the fly-by-wire system. Wing Commander Gurkirat Singh Sohal, the pilot of the plane was conferred with the Vayu Sena Medal (Gallantry).[80]

An IAF Su-30MKI crashed at the Pokhran range during the rehearsal of the Iron Fist Exercise on 19 February 2013. The aircraft was on a night flying training mission. Just after completing the mission, the aircraft's right wing exploded, both the pilots ejected safely and there was no damage to any property or life on ground. A Court of Inquiry was ordered to investigate the crash,[81][82] and later, the WSO Wing Commander Vikram Singh Chauhan was awarded the Vayusena Medal (Gallantry) for his act of exceptional courage.[83]

On 14 October 2014, an IAF Su-30MKI on a training mission crashed 20 km off Pune Lohegaon Air Force Station. Wing Commander Sidharth V. Munje and his co-pilot Flying Officer Anup Kumar ejected safely.[84][85] A court of inquiry has been ordered to investigate the accident.[86] A team of Russian experts arrived in India to evaluate the IAF Su-30 fleet, which has been grounded since the crash.[87]

Do u tell me India buy crap Su30mki from Russian ? and 200x Su30mki still in IAF ... will crash again ?

 

[Shinigami]

Do u tell me India buy crap Su30mki from Russian ?

accidents happen man to all aircraft made from anywhere. lets just wait for the investigation to complete. maybe this one would be pilot error

 

[Beast]

Even American can't afford thousands F-22 or F-35 to replace all 3-gen fighters, take care Chinese don't want bankrupt ... so China need Su-35 to replace old fighters like J-7 and J-8II ... our 15~20 years ago Su-27sk / Su-27ubk / J-11 will retire from PLAAF.

My words again :

Su-35 cannot fire Chinese ammunition. So u shall suggest we dump all the ammo show at the zhuhai airshow? China will not sign the su-35. The Russian is lobbying hard for the deal. The electronic inside su-35 are obsolete compare to the Chinese one. Thrust vector are not magic solution. Our taihang engine will be the main core of our airforce with even more potential for 9 to 10 thrust weight ratio upgrade. Buying Su-35 will be like complicated our airforce maintenance and not able to datalink with our network.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Good Day , BrahMos ~！

China CX-1
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India Brahmos
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Russia Kh-61 Ruby
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it seems that CX-1 is bigger than Brahmos and Kh-61. When Indian forumners here like to bragg about selling the Brahmos to Vietnam to sink Chinese ship and my answer to them was that China can sale "chini Brahmoski " to Sri Lanka and BD without knowing that such weapon really exisit as CX-1 in China ...I'm wondering if this missile is operational or just a morckup.

 

[Shinigami]

it seems that CX-1 is bigger than Brahmos and Kh-61. When Indian forumners here like to bragg about selling the Brahmos to Vietnam to sink Chinese ship and my answer to them was that China can sale "chini Brahmoski " to Sri Lanka and BD without knowing that such weapon really exisit as CX-1 in China ...I'm wondering if this missile is operation or just a morckup.

brahmos has been tested many times and several vids are available on youtube. can i see the tests of the chinese copy?

oh BTW, both sri lanka and BD have good relations with india. at least on the government level and they are not stupid enough to start a war with us

 

[cirr]

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[bolo]

And more funny thing is, i heard the CX-1 has ordered by a foreign customer and mass production in China now, soon we might read news in Jane's Defence “China selling CX-1 to some foreign nation” ...

Did Indian ever exported Brahmos missile to any third nation ? maybe no, so this time China will export CX-1 to replace Brahmos in international weapon market.
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Cheers ~!

So China export cx1 to other nations that can use it against China?

 

[cnleio]

it seems that CX-1 is bigger than Brahmos and Kh-61. When Indian forumners here like to bragg about selling the Brahmos to Vietnam to sink Chinese ship and my answer to them was that China can sale "chini Brahmoski " to Sri Lanka and BD without knowing that such weapon really exisit as CX-1 in China ...I'm wondering if this missile is operational or just a morckup.

Wait for China CX-1 export deal news ... no morckup, a real export version supersonic missile.

So China export cx1 to other nations that can use it against China?

PLA has better one & non-export, my friend.

Supersonic missile has high heat and high flight trajectory, it's easy for PLA CIWS or Air-Defense System to intercept and hit down ... Top5 mainly develop stealth subsonic missile and very low flight trajectory to avoid radar search, that's the killer not supersonic missile !

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

brahmos has been tested many times and several vids are available on youtube. can i see the tests of the chinese copy?

oh BTW, both sri lanka and BD have good relations with india. at least on the government level and they are not stupid enough to start a war with us

I dont know if Chinese copy it but I'm wondering myself if it's operational or just a conceptual model.