Zhang Dejiang replaces Bo Xilai as Chongqing Party chief

[Fanling Monk]

the idea that any Chinese political leader can launch a Cultural Revolution is preposterous and the 40 year olds paranoid of the Cultural Revolution are just like Jews crying about Holocaust or blacks crying about racism.

"Hey, your car is blocking mine, can you move it?"
"Is it 'cuz I'm black? If I wuz white, you wouldn't be talkin' to me 'bout no moving cars huh? Martin Lutha King gave him life fo' me to get the freedom to not move my car for the color of my skin! I ain't movin' my car!"

Perhaps 'purge' is just as fearsome a word for some CCP members.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

what kind of logic is that? liberal are by definition... leftist.

a political compass is more accurate. there's left and right (economically) and authoritarian/liberal. there's plenty of capitalist dictators: Hitler, Park Chung Hee, Pinochet, Hirohito and the various African warlords like Amin.

If you can imagine a coordinate system that goes from -10<x<10 and -10<y<10, where x is the economic scale and negative numbers mean more leftist, positive numbers mean more right, and y is the political scale where more positive means more authoritarian and more negative means more libertarian, here's how I'd rank China's leadership:

Name: (Coordinates) - Economic Description, Political Description

Hu Jintao: (0,5) - Moderate Authoritarian
Wu Bangguo: (3,8) - Free Market Dictator
Wen Jiabao: (3,0) - Free Market Moderate
Jia Qingling: (5,5) - Capitalist Authoritarian
Li Changchun: ?????
Xi Jinping: (8,5) - Ultracapitalist Authoritarian
Li Keqiang: (-5,3) - Socialist Light Authoritarian
He Guoqiang: (?,5) - Authoritarian
Zhou Yongkang: ?????

I trust authoritarian rightists the least because they are the least accountable.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

a political compass is more accurate. there's left and right (economically) and authoritarian/liberal. there's plenty of capitalist dictators: Hitler, Park Chung Hee, Pinochet, Hirohito and the various African warlords like Amin.

If you can imagine a coordinate system that goes from -10<x<10 and -10<y<10, where x is the economic scale and negative numbers mean more leftist, positive numbers mean more right, and y is the political scale where more positive means more authoritarian and more negative means more libertarian, here's how I'd rank China's leadership:

Name: (Coordinates) - Economic Description, Political Description

Hu Jintao: (0,5) - Moderate Authoritarian
Wu Bangguo: (3,8) - Free Market Dictator
Wen Jiabao: (3,0) - Free Market Moderate
Jia Qingling: (5,5) - Capitalist Authoritarian
Li Changchun: ?????
Xi Jinping: (8,5) - Ultracapitalist Authoritarian
Li Keqiang: (-5,3) - Socialist Light Authoritarian
He Guoqiang: (?,5) - Authoritarian
Zhou Yongkang: ?????

I trust authoritarian rightists the least because they are the least accountable.

Here should be the right list.

Hu Jintao: Closet Free Market Supporter
Wu Bangguo: Authoritarian
Wen Jiabao: Free Market Dictator
Jia Qingling: Capitalist Authoritarian
Li Changchun: Capitalist Autoritarian
Xi Jinping: Authoritarian
Li Keqiang: Closet Free Market Supporter
He Guoqiang: Authoritarian
Zhou Yongkang: Capitalist Authoritarian

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Here should be the right list.

Hu Jintao: Closet Free Market Supporter
Wu Bangguo: Authoritarian
Wen Jiabao: Free Market Dictator
Jia Qingling: Capitalist Authoritarian
Li Changchun: Capitalist Autoritarian
Xi Jinping: Authoritarian
Li Keqiang: Closet Free Market Supporter
He Guoqiang: Authoritarian
Zhou Yongkang: Capitalist Authoritarian

I prefer using coordinates.

Li Keqiang is nowhere NEAR a free market supporter. His economic policies are exactly the same as Bo Xilai's. He is a major supporter of spending money on low income housing, medical care and education.

Xi Jinping is clearly a capitalist dictator from his actions in Fujian.

Many rich people overseas are threatened by people like Bo Xilai and Li Keqiang because they're scared their source of wealth is going to dry up if they clean house.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I prefer using coordinates.

Li Keqiang is nowhere NEAR a free market supporter. His economic policies are exactly the same as Bo Xilai's. He is a major supporter of spending money on low income housing, medical care and education.

Xi Jinping is clearly a capitalist dictator from his actions in Fujian.

Many rich people overseas are threatened by people like Bo Xilai and Li Keqiang because they're scared their source of wealth is going to dry up if they clean house.

Are you sure that Li Keqiang doesn't support the free market system? Just check the report from Zoellick.

PS, his teacher/mentor is Li Yining who is one of the biggest oligarchs in China.

Xi Jinping is surely more left than both Hu and Li, since those guys barely mention Marxist-Maoist anymore.

 

[Gnimgnay]

what kind of logic is that? liberal are by definition... leftist.

Not true in China. In China, leftists often share the Maoism idea, believe in Socialism, while rightists tend to get closer to western value.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Are you sure that Li Keqiang doesn't support the free market system? Just check the report from Zoellick.

PS, his teacher/mentor is Li Yining who is one of biggest oligarchs in China.

Xi Jinping is surely more left than both Hu and Li, since those guys barely mention Marxist-Maoist anymore.

what good is TALKING about it? Look at his actions! Look at Li's actions! This is why we're seen as dumb slaves, because we will believe anyone's stupid words like some stupid paranoia about Cultural Revolution and instead never look at what their actions mean. This is why we're always being tricked by whites, this is why we will forever be slaves to North Korean dictators like Zhang Dejiang and the rest of Xi's oligarch gang.

if we're so easy to be tricked by an obvious hypocrite like Xi, then there's no hope for China.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

what good is TALKING about it? Look at his actions! Look at Li's actions! This is why we're seen as dumb slaves, because we will believe anyone's stupid words like some stupid paranoia about Cultural Revolution and instead never look at what their actions mean. This is why we're always being tricked by whites, this is why we will forever be slaves to North Korean dictators like Zhang Dejiang and the rest of Xi's oligarch gang.

if we're so easy to be tricked by an obvious hypocrite like Xi, then there's no hope for China.

Li Yining is one of the biggest right-wing oligarch in China, Li Keqiang is just one of this students, so you would rather believe that Li is left-wing?

What Xi did in Fujian is just pragmatic action for every CPC official (&#23448;&#22330;&#19978;&#30340;&#20026;&#23448;&#20043;&#36947.

Since Jia Qinglin was his superior in Fujian, so he just opened an eye and closed an eye about the event of Lai Changxing.

But Jia Qinglin was the one who got bribed by Lai, not Xi.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Who is the supporters of the Chongqing Model? Here is your answer.

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But Xi is clearly against Bo's ego and individualism.

While Hu/Wen/Li and many other Tuanpai members surely hate the Chongqing Model.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Li Yining is one of the biggest right-wing oligarch in China, Li Keqiang is just one of this students, so you would rather believe that Li is left-wing?

What Xi did in Fujian is just pragmatic action for every CPC official (&#23448;&#22330;&#19978;&#30340;&#20026;&#23448;&#20043;&#36947.

Since Jia Qinglin was his superior in Fujian, so he just opened an eye and closed an eye about the event of Lai Changxing.

But Jia Qinglin was the one who got bribed by Lai, not Xi.

This is why Chinese will always be slaves. We care more about who someone is related to, rather than what they actually do. That is why China has never been stable, that's why Chinese dynasties have always fallen, because we choose to depend on the benevolence of emperors rather than to wake up.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

This is why Chinese will always be slaves. We care more about who someone is related to, rather than what they actually do. That is why China has never been stable, that's why Chinese dynasties have always fallen, because we choose to depend on the benevolence of emperors rather than to wake up.

Didn't you have done the same?

You just said that Xi is a traitor because he has sent his daughter to Harvard.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Who is the supporters of the Chongqing Model? Here is your answer.

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But Xi is clearly against Bo's ego and individualism.

While Hu/Wen/Li and many other Tuanpai members surely hate the Chongqing Model.

HOW IS LI YINING AN OLIGARCH.

He is clearly one of the most clearheaded people in China.

Li Yining: China Should Buy More Gold to Prevent Depreciation of FX Reserves -ChinaStakes.com

So you're saying that China should get MORE WORTHLESS INFLATIONARY PAPER MONEY and LESS GOLD so the RMB can delay being a reserve currency and China will forever be slaves?

Quotes on rural education from political advisor Li Yining - People's Daily Online

Is this what an oligarch says or does?!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

HOW IS LI YINING AN OLIGARCH.

He is clearly one of the most clearheaded people in China.

Li Yining: China Should Buy More Gold to Prevent Depreciation of FX Reserves -ChinaStakes.com

So you're saying that China should get MORE WORTHLESS INFLATIONARY PAPER MONEY and LESS GOLD so the RMB can delay being a reserve currency and China will forever be slaves?

Quotes on rural education from political advisor Li Yining - People's Daily Online

Is this what an oligarch says or does?!

He is a clearheaded right-wing supporter, yet Hu and Wen bought so many useless papers from USA.

I am not saying all right-wing supporters are bad, while i am just saying Li Keqiang could be a right-wing supporter.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Didn't you have done the same?

You just said that Xi is a traitor because he has sent his daughter to Harvard.

And Lai Changxin scheme, and being best friends with another oligarch Jia Qinglin, but that's not important.

Under his rule, Fujian earned the dubious honor of being the #1 exporter of illegal immigrants and prostitutes in all of China. If that is not shame, shame, shame, what is?!

He is a clearheaded right-wing supporter, yet Hu and Wen bought some many useless papers from USA.

I am not saying all right-wing supporters are bad, while i am just saying Li Keqiang could be a right-wing supporter.

So he is a right wing supporter because he wants to buy less USD and more gold, so left wing muts be loving USD and hating gold so now left wing means wanting your country to be financially unstable.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

And Lai Changxin scheme, and being best friends with another oligarch Jia Qinglin, but that's not important.

Under his rule, Fujian earned the dubious honor of being the #1 exporter of illegal immigrants and prostitutes in all of China. If that is not shame, shame, shame, what is?!



So he is a right wing supporter because he wants to buy less USD and more gold, so left wing muts be loving USD and hating gold so now left wing means wanting your country to be financially unstable.

Not all right-wings in China are dumb enough to waste money in exchange for the useless papers.

Li Yining is a right-wing who loves the money, while Wen Jiabao is a right-wing who loves his white masters.

You have to see the difference.