Zalmay Khalilzad US Pak-Afg Ambassador Warns Pak Deep State & Higher Judiciary

[Ghessan]

lobbying or no lobbying, US had to jump in. they always do why not now.

PTI need to work really hard on lobbying, if they are already doing, need to pace it up,

when you are forced to live in a jungle and play no rules, then it is everyone's right to play foul and in a jungle it is not a foul play.

 

[imadul]

@VCheng

"Absolutely Not" was a correct thing.
US knows Estab is a double faced agent, IK gave straight answer, but yes, being super power it was hard to swallow from a state made subservient by Estab and political clients.

Being PM, IK would know more there were demands for drone and recon bases. We can't jump to the conclusion that he said that based upon media talk.

 

[VCheng]

@VCheng

"Absolutely Not" was a correct thing.
US knows Estab is a double faced agent, IK gave straight answer, but yes, being super power it was hard to swallow from a state made subservient by Estab and political clients.

Being PM, IK would know more there were demands for drone and recon bases. We can't jump to the conclusion that he said that based upon media talk.

ROFL. IK answered "correctly" to what exactly? A leading question by a journalist during an interview. That is all. To conclude the IK meant anything more than his ill-thought blurted out answer is hilarious. The US is not really concerned by musings of a mere same page puppet since it knows who to deal with directly and more effectively. This was the case then, and it remains the case now.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Thread derailment - IK refusal for US bases is well known before and during power. US govt has also stated that they haven’t formally requested Pakistan dor bases. What has that to do with Zalmays statement! Lets get back to topic please.

The main question is: this is Zalmay’s own personal message or there is official backing for this stance? Over here Republicans and Democrats are nemesis but on Foreign policy and many issues they work together in a civilized manner.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1638259460953997312

My Take: US recongonizing error of dealing with double faced Mil Estab, could not end war 2001 - 2018.
Peace mission and pull out fast tracked only when PMIK took power as he sincerely worked to facilitate US pull out that was completed Aug 2021.
US also realized Bajwa was playing his game courtesy cunning services of Hussain Haqqani.

Running with the rabbit, and hunting with the hound....

It's all up to the Pak common folks - whether they want to run that extra mile that usually makes the difference....

As for these scums from the colonies serving as peons at the Imperialist capitals, better to ignore them for the Ramadan is about to start....

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Funny how the favorite target of the "absolutely not!" in public turns out to be the most influential party to lobby in private, eh?

While the US may have conspired behind the scenes with the Pakistan Army and PDM to overthrow the PTI government, it would not have been possible without the cooperation of the Pakistan Army leadership. My view, based on the statements out of the Army and their media and PDM mouthpieces in the immediate aftermath of the PTI’s overthrow, was that they (Army & PDM) genuinely believed that Imran Khan would not be able to maintain (let alone increase) his popular appeal and support. This view was likely sold to the US as well, to garner support for a Fauj backed ‘soft coup’.

Therefore, the largest threat to Pakistan is domestic - the Army gone rogue and using various coercive tactics (and money from its vast business interests) to manipulate law enforcement and other institutions into carrying out a violent crackdown on the PTI.

Lobbying the US to recognize the widespread popularity of Imran Khan and do a course correction is a sensible approach. The Fauj & PDM gravely misjudged the political dynamics in Pakistan which are now destabilizing the country, and some might argue that the US is recognizing her error on this count.

Time shall tell of course, as you oft like to say.

 

[VCheng]

My view, based on the statements out of the Army and their media and PDM mouthpieces in the immediate aftermath of the PTI’s overthrow, was that they (Army & PDM) genuinely believed that Imran Khan would not be able to maintain (let alone increase) his popular appeal and support. This view was likely sold to the US as well, to garner support for a Fauj backed ‘soft coup’.

It won't be the first miscalculation the Army has made in Pakistan's history, that is for sure. As long as USA knows who it can continue to deal with effectively on the Pakistani side for mutual pursuit of national interests, it really does not care much about anything else.

Therefore, the largest threat to Pakistan is domestic - the Army gone rogue and using various coercive tactics (and money from its vast business interests) to manipulate law enforcement and other institutions into carrying out a violent crackdown on the PTI.

Again, it won't be the first time either. And you are preaching to the choir here. I have said that all along since I joined PDF a long time ago, with all its associated derision.

Lobbying the US to recognize the widespread popularity of Imran Khan and do a course correction is a sensible approach. The Fauj & PDM gravely misjudged the political dynamics in Pakistan which are now destabilizing the country, and some might argue that the US is recognizing her error on this count.

Oh absolutely. there is nothing wrong with that at all. IK and his backers here are trying to do exactly that. Its efficacy remains to be seen, however. As I said above, as long as USA knows who it can continue to deal with effectively on the Pakistani side for mutual pursuit of national interests, it really does not care much about anything else.

Time shall tell of course, as you oft like to say.

Indeed. let us wait and see.

 

[Tamerlane]

One analyst said that the army did a survey and found that PTI’s support had become lukewarm. I can confirm that personally; I’d become lukewarm as well, especially because Karachi had been totally neglected even though it voted for PTI.

But the way they illegally overthrew a sitting government and brought in mega criminals reversed everyone’s view. That the mega criminals destroyed Pakistan’s economy made it worse.

Then the way they’re resorting to state terrorism and refusing to hold elections as required by law made things worse.

Then kidnapping, sexually humiliating and killing PTI leaders and workers and attacking their homes is the final straw that broke the camel’s back. Trying again and again to kill IK.

Now the generals have become naked in full view of the people of Pakistan and their full ugliness is revealed. It’s not a pretty sight.

They’re trapped now. No way out for them except to violently crush the people or run away.

 

[Sinnerman108]

I am expecting the whole PDM+Mil Establishment Hercules to deflate.
It also signals US believes IK is returning doesn't matter what PDM+Mil Estb try and they wanted to have a friendly government and a friendly population in Pakistan, gateway to central Asia and central Asia gateway to deep see ports, and China - Russian Federation factor.

The Americans know who’s sincere and who’s a pig. They’ve had enough of this entity that’s abused them, while taking their money.
No honor whatsoever.

Americans have the least interest in whomsoever is sincere or whatever ...

They have a stated policy of NOT allowing CPEC, and they will do anything possible to achieve that goal.

IF CPEC is successful, US is history.

 

[AA_]

Americans have the least interest in whomsoever is sincere or whatever ...

They have a stated policy of NOT allowing CPEC, and they will do anything possible to achieve that goal.

IF CPEC is successful, US is history.

I agree with you. No one brings up the fact that attacks in B-Stan decreased after the NCV. Anyone remembers that massive attack which killed at least 10 soldiers a year ago? I think cowards at GHQ folded after that and gave in

 

[Khanate]

Americans have the least interest in whomsoever is sincere or whatever ...

They have a stated policy of NOT allowing CPEC, and they will do anything possible to achieve that goal.

IF CPEC is successful, US is history.

CPEC is already history. You simply haven't done the math.

 

[imadul]

Americans have the least interest in whomsoever is sincere or whatever ...

They have a stated policy of NOT allowing CPEC, and they will do anything possible to achieve that goal.

IF CPEC is successful, US is history.

CPEC can be delayed but not stopped.
Depends upon Sino-Pak relationship future.

Running with the rabbit, and hunting with the hound....

It's all up to the Pak common folks - whether they want to run that extra mile that usually makes the difference....

As for these scums from the colonies serving as peons at the Imperialist capitals, better to ignore them for the Ramadan is about to start....

People are fed up and doing it in peaceful manner.
It is wheel of history in motion. Estb determined to stop it, not much chance they can delay it but they are trying.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

CPEC is already history. You simply haven't done the math.

I have been hearing CPEC is gonna be a "game changer" and how Gwadar will be transformed since 2016

 

[diligence]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1638259460953997312

My Take: US recongonizing error of dealing with double faced Mil Estab, could not end war 2001 - 2018.
Peace mission and pull out fast tracked only when PMIK took power as he sincerely worked to facilitate US pull out that was completed Aug 2021.
US also realized Bajwa was playing his game courtesy cunning services of Hussain Haqqani.

This shameless neocon murderer is trying to blackmail Pakistani government apparently to fuel a massive unrest in Pakistan. Someone needs to ask this brainless idiot to call, entice, and then take a charged mob of a couple of thousand brainless fanatics and attack American Supreme Court building, throw petrol bombs and tear gas shells on state police and FBI personal, and then see how the American law enforcement agencies pack this bloody crook into a coffin. In Pakistan, courts are giving undue protection to his beloved buddy Imran Khan due to the trucks (a term allegedly used by underworld actors).

One cannot forget how Americans have actively supported Imran Khan all along in the past. Only Joe Biden showed some restraint to openly interact with Imran Khan due to latter's habitual bad-mouthing against almost everyone who has an interaction with him. The whole world saw this brainless liar Khan publically waving a fake letter (allegedly written to Pakistan government by an American official) and blaming America for toppling his government (even though in fact done through a constitutional process purely by Pakistan's internal political forces). Imran Khan wanted to (and succeeded in) creating a massive anti-America wave for gaining popularity before the anticipated general elections in Pakistan. But this idiot neocon Khalilzad is dying for saving that criminal (i.e. Imran Khan) who has committed numerious grave crimes against the state of Pakistan.

 

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Pahlay yah pdm kaa maamun tha. Now the tables have turned.