Z-8 and Z-18 transport helicopter thread

[Deino]

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Now I'm very much surprised... Z-18s in dark green with red serials and strange markings.... what organisation are they assigned to??? PAP???

 

[LKJ86]

Now I'm very much surprised... Z-18s in dark green with red serials and strange markings.... what organisation are they assigned to??? PAP???

PAP

 

[Deino]

PAP

Thanks, but indeed strange ... is there any mentioning in tis TV-report, where are they from?

And why do they get a new colour scheme?

 

[LKJ86]

Thanks, but indeed strange ... is there any mentioning in tis TV-report, where are they from?

And why do they get a new colour scheme?

What is the new colour scheme?

 

[Deino]

What is the new colour scheme?

Please correct me, but I thought they were previously either red-orange or white coloured like these?

Z18A WJS560305 - PAP Forestry Command Heli Detachment 2. Battalion - 1

Z-8AWJ WJ527302 - PAP Xinjiang Corps Helo Battalion (2)

 

[lcloo]

Please correct me, but I thought they were previously either red-orange or white coloured like these?

Z18A WJS560305 - PAP Forestry Command Heli Detachment 2. Battalion - 1
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Z-8AWJ WJ527302 - PAP Xinjiang Corps Helo Battalion (2)
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The following extract would explain the paint scheme differences. Internal Guard Corps of PAP is now separated from Forestry Fire Fighting and under different joint command since 2018. Looks like different joint command has different paint scheme (my two cent).

From 1 January 2018, command of the People's Armed Police is jointly held by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and the Central Military Commission, with the PAP no longer subordinate to the State Council.[9][10]

The reform was reportedly carried out in order to deprive the local Party authorities of the power to use the PAP units to commit abuses or even against the leadership in Beijing. With the new organization, local authorities need central approval in order to deploy the PAP.[11]

From 1 January 2018, command of the People's Armed Police is jointly held by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and the Central Military Commission, with the PAP no longer subordinate to the State Council.[9][10]

The reform was reportedly carried out in order to deprive the local Party authorities of the power to use the PAP units to commit abuses or even against the leadership in Beijing. With the new organization, local authorities need central approval in order to deploy the PAP.[11]

Prior to the 2018 reform, the People's Armed Police was further divided into eight corps: Internal Guard, Gold, Forestry, Hydropower, Transportation, Border Defense, Firefighting, and Safeguard Corps.[3]:232 The Internal Guard Corps, which makes up for the bulk of PAP, is under the PAP Headquarters and reports thus to the Party CC and the CMCs. The Gold, Forestry, Hydropower, and Transportation Corps, collectively known as the Specialist Corps, are under the joint leadership of PAP Headquarters and their respective ministries in the State Council.[3]:232 The Border Defense, Firefighting, and Civil Guard Corps, collectively known as the Public Security Corps, are under the direct supervision of the Ministry of Public Security.

 

[LKJ86]

 

[Deino]

Anyone with an idea, why these completely redesigned "Z-8s" are still called Z-8 - aka Z-8G and Z-8L - in PLA Army Aviation, whereas the naval variants got the new Z-18 designation?

Especially the latest wide-body variant really should no longer be designated Z-8.

 

[LKJ86]

 

[Deino]

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Is there a possibility to contact the photographer?

 

[LKJ86]

 

[Deino]

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If I'm not entirely wrong from the Hunan Corps/ Helicopter Battalion also known as 2nd Mobile Corps Helicopter Detachment (武警第2机动总队直升机支队)

 

[bahadur999]

Can i get a short explanation of the differences between Z-8 and Z-18? I thought Z-18 and Z-8G are the same?

 

[Deino]

Can i get a short explanation of the differences between Z-8 and Z-18? I thought Z-18 and Z-8G are the same?

From what I understand, the basis of these new variants is the civil AC313, which in modified variants entered service within the Naval Aviation at first as a transport (Z-18), then AEW (Z-18J) and ASW (Z-18F). In parallel they were introduced in the PAP - not sure as Z-8AWJ or even AC313; I must admit, I don't know - and further developed into the Army Aviation variants. This was at first called Z-18A but later identified as the Z-18G ... and evolved into the wide cabin variant Z-8L.

Why these still are called Z-8 even if they are now even one step more away from the original Z-8 than the Z-18 (VIP) I don't know.

 

[LKJ86]