Z-20 Utility Helicopter News & Discussions

[cirr]

With this entering service 2-3 years from now on，we can look forward to the day when each and every of the 18 Group Armies has one aviation brigade。

We may even add an Air Assault Division for the 15th Airborne Corps。

 

[cirr]

A simple comparative analysis：

如图上所示，明显Z20比黑鹰更像个蝌蚪，就是机身更大而尾梁要短且要小，相应的主起落架和旋翼相对机身位置也更靠后，这意味着Z20有更大的座舱空间和内部油箱。

Z20做上述调整是应该的，在控制总重情况下还要增加内部容积，那么相应的就要缩小尾梁的尺寸，而机身尺寸的增大则要让旋翼和起落架更接近机身重心，所以旋翼和主起落架都要后移，后移后可以增加内部座舱并平衡由于增加内部油箱所带来的重心后移。另外缩小尾梁对重心向前也有好处。

Z20做这样的调整应该还是为了满足我们高原飞行和增加航程和运载能力的需要，众所周知黑鹰到国内后上青藏增加了内部副油箱，因为外挂油箱阻力大，高原气象条件恶劣，内部副油箱对飞行性能影响较小，但内部副油箱使得内部空间减小，缩小了运载能力。现在这样的调整可以不需要外挂副油箱，同时内部空间加大，可以增大航程和提高运载能力。

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

SH-60 is a proven design and to copy it is the best option.
China should make as much copies as it can to save time on R&D and also make an export version.

The Z-9 was also a copy of the Dauphin and is very successful.

 

[IND151]

Looks Nice

Post better photos please.

 

[Oldman1]

So we went for a copy of the Blackhawk.

Pretty disappointing that despite having thousands of engineers and spending billions of dollars that we can't even design our own helicopter.

Embarrassing.

Exactly. I'm expecting innovation not imitation. And that poster who claims copying for peace. You know we got the Japanese Zero fighter plane that crashed in WW2 and we learned from it, its strengths and weaknesses. We made the Hellcat which is not a copy of the Japanese Zero but something to defeat the Zero.

Got a CH47 decades ago from the Vietnam war, you think China would have made something different and better by that time.

 

[HariPrasad]

Dumb US. Unable to protect the protect the codes of their military stuff. They should die of Shame.

 

[Fsjal]

Exactly. I'm expecting innovation not imitation. And that poster who claims copying for peace. You know we got the Japanese Zero fighter plane that crashed in WW2 and we learned from it, its strengths and weaknesses. We made the Hellcat which is not a copy of the Japanese Zero but something to defeat the Zero.

Got a CH47 decades ago from the Vietnam war, you think China would have made something different and better by that time.

One thing for sure is that China could make a much modern version of the Chinook and Black Hawk. The Shenyang J-15 was an Su-33 copy and it was better than the Su-33.

 

[aliaselin]

A modification Black Hawk with some NH-90 feature

 

[Oldman1]

One thing for sure is that China could make a much modern version of the Chinook and Black Hawk. The Shenyang J-15 was an Su-33 copy and it was better than the Su-33.

Could but thats just improvements, not innovating. Improve engines, avionics, the frame, but still the same. How about making something like an Osprey helo version?

 

[Fsjal]

How about making something like an Osprey helo version?

I don't think making an Osprey is easy.

 

[Oldman1]

A modification Black Hawk with some NH-90 feature

I don't see any NH 90 characteristics.

You want improvements go for this.

I don't think making an Osprey is easy.

Don't the Chinese have any concepts of the tilt rotor version?

 

[Fsjal]

I don't see any NH 90 characteristics.

You want improvements go for this.

Don't the Chinese have any concepts of the tilt rotor version?

Ask the Chinese members.

 

[Oldman1]

Ask the Chinese members.

Hence why I asked does the Chinese have any. Not you. Unless you know something.

 

[cnleio]

Soon Z-20 will replace S-70 and Mi-171 in PLA Army, this time China can build 1000x Z-20 helicopters.

Amazing~!

PLA Army's S-70:

PLA Army's Mi-17

 

[Beast]

I dont think Mi-17 will go away soon. Its huge cargo capacity is a big plus compare to S-70 despite much inferior performance.

SH-60 is a proven design and to copy it is the best option.
China should make as much copies as it can to save time on R&D and also make an export version.

The Z-9 was also a copy of the Dauphin and is very successful.

Z-9 original was a licensed produced of Dauphin. French still provide 20% of the component to China in the early 2000s. Of cos, China is now able to 100% manufactured Z-9.