Z-10 & Z-19 Combat Helicopter News & Discussion

[Varunastra]

looks stealthy....nice

 

[khail007]

Why that little window on left side of cockpit ?? Air circulation ??
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BTW, good finishing.. And can someone post its specs..?

IMO pilots are also used to Pan/Naswar/Gutkas; so may be purposely built...

 

[no_koadsheding_plz]

any resemblance with the one heli used in OBL mission in abbottabad ?

 

[SQ8]

Its Cobra of 21st Century. But PAA want 30 Z-10P. INSHA ALLAH.

Who told you that?
On what basis?

The PA is perfectly happy with its order for AH-1Z and would still prefer more of them or T-129s.

 

[Jango]

Who told you that?
On what basis?

The PA is perfectly happy with its order for AH-1Z and would still prefer more of them or T-129s.

So, they are still coming? The Zulu cobras? Export restriction is to be lifted in 2013 right?

 

[karan21]

So, they are still coming? The Zulu cobras? Export restriction is to be lifted in 2013 right?

Helicopter looks good. It will be good to compare it with other helicopters once it gets operational.

 

[Jango]

Helicopter looks good. It will be good to compare it with other helicopters once it gets operational.

It was declared operational in Sep 2010 after operational evaluation lasting a couple of years. So it should be operational now.

 

[SQ8]

So, they are still coming? The Zulu cobras? Export restriction is to be lifted in 2013 right?

Yes, We should be among the first to get them.

 

[Kompromat]

Where is cannon ?

Yes, We should be among the first to get them.

How many? What about old Cobra's upgrade to Turkish UMTAS ATGM ?

 

[SQ8]

Where is cannon ?



How many? What about old Cobra's upgrade to Turkish UMTAS ATGM ?

Pakistan Assistance Strategy Report

That is the latest on official links

The grapevine suggests that the AH-1F's will simply be used until they are no longer capable of service.

 

[Kompromat]

Pakistan Assistance Strategy Report

That is the latest on official links

The grapevine suggests that the AH-1F's will simply be used until they are no longer capable of service.

It says, 20 new Zulus. But that will come with no TOT, Pakistan instead should opt for T-129.

 

[SQ8]

It says, 20 new Zulus. But that will come with no TOT, Pakistan instead should opt for T-129.

Unfortunately, the procurement guys that gave the ok for this have been too superficial in their selection overview in terms of only seeing the benefit that FMF will get them when it comes to buying hardware.
They don't realize that the Cobra Viper is an ENTIRELY new machine which will require a complete training of all personnel involved and is also NOT sanction proof.
The short term benefit of a freebie has clouded their judgement.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Who told you that? On what basis?

The PA is perfectly happy with its order for AH-1Z and would still prefer more of them or T-129s.

PA Future is AH-1Z Zulu Cobras but PA also needs to diversify equipment-weapons towards non-western feasible cost per unit Gunships.

Flightglobal says AH-1Z costs $27M per unit [don't believe in wiki], we can imagine T-129 Gunships cost per unit could be as much as $35M.

Would it be feasible from PA's budget point of view to procure T-129s. AH-1Z delivery could commence by 2016+ to PA; by the Time Z-10 would be in position to offer something substantial including perhaps better price per unit. It has been 9 Years for WZ-10 4-6 Years is enough to roll out updated production models. Ofcourse unless PA had unlimited budget T-129 would be the right choice, looking down upon Z-10 would be a mistake after all we are operating Z-9s for Navy we could have procured western platforms, couldn't we.

 

[Nishan_101]

WZ-19 is much cheaper than WZ-10, WZ-19 combine the new technology from WZ-10 and airframe of WZ-9, WZ-19 will be manufactured in mass production.
For PLA, the WZ-10 is expensive and more important thing is that it need time to be proven and improve.

And Frankly, I doubt that the present engine we develop can give WZ-10 encough power, I believe the new engine is on the way, but we need time, from the news be divulged indirectly, I think it will be soon!

You might be right for PLA but not for PAA, we need Z-10P like Helicopters and for engine problem we can(INSHA ALLAH we will) get better engines from Russia for them and buying 30 of them will not cost as much as buying 30 ATAK. By the way please elaborate in detail about the cost of each Z-10???

Imo what PA really wants is to to get itself out of this WOT and then think about such stuff.

But we don't know about this, may be the deal has been done.

 

[Nishan_101]

Pakistan Assistance Strategy Report

That is the latest on official links

The grapevine suggests that the AH-1F's will simply be used until they are no longer capable of service.

That's truth!!!

Unfortunately, the procurement guys that gave the ok for this have been too superficial in their selection overview in terms of only seeing the benefit that FMF will get them when it comes to buying hardware.
They don't realize that the Cobra Viper is an ENTIRELY new machine which will require a complete training of all personnel involved and is also NOT sanction proof.
The short term benefit of a freebie has clouded their judgement.

Means these are funded by US?