Z-10 & Z-19 Combat Helicopter News & Discussion

[帅的一匹]

No one could defeat China, even the rest combination of west countries.

still remember how many countries fighted PLA in Korean war, that is 17 nations. It just lead to a tie even the enemy was nuke capable.

 

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[UKBengali]

People miss the point when saying Apache is "better" than WZ-10.

It is not the same as F-22 versus J-20 as the two helicopters are not designed to fight each other.

The whole purpose of the 2 helicopters is to destroy armour as quickly and as efficiently as possible.

Currently the Apache has an advantage as it can carry 16 anti-tank missiles as compared to 8 on the WZ-10.

When the new engine is installed on the WZ-10, then it will also be able to carry 16 anti-tank missiles.

With the new engine, the WZ-10 will be indeed a "better" helicopter than the Apache as it will be able to almost anything that an Apache can do but at a much reduced cost.

Looks like China is indeed winning the "bang for buck" war with the US.

And the result for India will be dire as it will have to purchase a much more costlier helicopter that may only be marginally effective than the cheaper domestic Chinese version.

 

[Wright]

People miss the point when saying Apache is "better" than WZ-10.

It is not the same as F-22 versus J-20 as the two helicopters are not designed to fight each other.

The whole purpose of the 2 helicopters is to destroy armour as quickly and as efficiently as possible.

Currently the Apache has an advantage as it can carry 16 anti-tank missiles as compared to 8 on the WZ-10.

When the new engine is installed on the WZ-10, then it will also be able to carry 16 anti-tank missiles.

With the new engine, the WZ-10 will be indeed a "better" helicopter than the Apache as it will be able to almost anything that an Apache can do but at a much reduced cost.

Looks like China is indeed winning the "bang for buck" war with the US.

And the result for India will be dire as it will have to purchase a much more costlier helicopter that may only be marginally effective than the cheaper domestic Chinese version.

Russians have been doing that longer. We know how their equipment stood against their Western counterparts.

 

[Wright]

People miss the point when saying Apache is "better" than WZ-10.

It is not the same as F-22 versus J-20 as the two helicopters are not designed to fight each other.

The whole purpose of the 2 helicopters is to destroy armour as quickly and as efficiently as possible.

Currently the Apache has an advantage as it can carry 16 anti-tank missiles as compared to 8 on the WZ-10.

When the new engine is installed on the WZ-10, then it will also be able to carry 16 anti-tank missiles.

With the new engine, the WZ-10 will be indeed a "better" helicopter than the Apache as it will be able to almost anything that an Apache can do but at a much reduced cost.

Looks like China is indeed winning the "bang for buck" war with the US.

And the result for India will be dire as it will have to purchase a much more costlier helicopter that may only be marginally effective than the cheaper domestic Chinese version.

Russians have been doing that longer. We know how their equipment stood against their Western counterparts.

 

[帅的一匹]

Don't compare china weapon with Russian ones.........

 

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[bloo]

People miss the point when saying Apache is "better" than WZ-10.

It is not the same as F-22 versus J-20 as the two helicopters are not designed to fight each other.

The whole purpose of the 2 helicopters is to destroy armour as quickly and as efficiently as possible.

Currently the Apache has an advantage as it can carry 16 anti-tank missiles as compared to 8 on the WZ-10.

When the new engine is installed on the WZ-10, then it will also be able to carry 16 anti-tank missiles.

With the new engine, the WZ-10 will be indeed a "better" helicopter than the Apache as it will be able to almost anything that an Apache can do but at a much reduced cost.

Looks like China is indeed winning the "bang for buck" war with the US.

And the result for India will be dire as it will have to purchase a much more costlier helicopter that may only be marginally effective than the cheaper domestic Chinese version.

It's exactly what people are thinking, mind when people compare 2 weapons it is to see which one performs better regardless of whether they face each other or no.

Its not just the engines that decide every outcome of a battle.
The radar and the armaments are equally responsible.
It remains to be seen how good the YH radar is against the AN/APG-78
or the tried and tested HELL-FIRE missile against the HJ-10.

In short the Apache has too much experience to be "bettered" by an untried platform like the WZ-10.

Its good China is trying but they are yet to prove its mettle against the best in the business.

India is inducting Apache now, which is better than the current WZ-10, we already have Mi-24 which is also better than the WZ-10, so it doesn't look like we are so far behind and neither does it look like we will be in the future going by our current market and relations with various defense companies, our choices are not dwindling any time sooner.
And by the looks of it, when the LCH starts induction(2014), its development will have taken lesser time than WZ-10s.
FYI the next versions of the LCH will be the main attack helicopter after this version is inducted.

 

[Cherokee]

Don't compare china weapon with Russian ones.........

Pray Tell us why ??

 

[UKBengali]

It's exactly what people are thinking, mind when people compare 2 weapons it is to see which one performs better regardless of whether they face each other or no.

Its not just the engines that decide every outcome of a battle.
The radar and the armaments are equally responsible.
It remains to be seen how good the YH radar is against the AN/APG-78
or the tried and tested HELL-FIRE missile against the HJ-10.

In short the Apache has too much experience to be "bettered" by an untried platform like the WZ-10.

Its good China is trying but they are yet to prove its mettle against the best in the business.

India is inducting Apache now, which is better than the current WZ-10, we already have Mi-24 which is also better than the WZ-10, so it doesn't look like we are so far behind and neither does it look like we will be in the future going by our current market and relations with various defense companies, our choices are not dwindling any time sooner.
And by the looks of it, when the LCH starts induction(2014), its development will have taken lesser time than WZ-10s.
FYI the next versions of the LCH will be the main attack helicopter after this version is inducted.

You are again missing the fundamental point and that is the primary purpose of the Apache and the WZ-10 are to destroy enemy armour.

Who gives a monkey's whether the Apache has a better radar and/or anti-tank missiles.

As long as the WZ-10 can "kill" by using it's radar/sensors to locate and then destroy by using it's anti-tank missiles the enemy's armour then it is "good enough".

With attack helicopters, there is such as thing as "good enough" and when the WZ-10 gets the new engine then it will be "good enough" when compared to Apache.

 

[bloo]

You are again missing the fundamental point and that is the primary purpose of the Apache and the WZ-10 are to destroy enemy armour.

Who gives a monkey's whether the Apache has a better radar and/or anti-tank missiles.

As long as the WZ-10 can "kill" by using it's radar/sensors to locate and then destroy by using it's anti-tank missiles the enemy's armour then it is "good enough".

With attack helicopters, there is such as thing as "good enough" and when the WZ-10 gets the new engine then it will be "good enough" when compared to Apache.

Good enough is just not enough.
When you are attacking someone make sure they are dead or it can be a real pain.
Everyone gives a monkey's behind as to what sensors and armaments a chopper is carrying.
If the Apache has a better engine, better radar and armaments then it is doing the job better than WZ-10.
So in the end yes, i stand by my point, an engine alone does not guarantee air supremacy.

 

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[cirr]

Good enough is just not enough.
When you are attacking someone make sure they are dead or it can be a real pain.
Everyone gives a monkey's behind as to what sensors and armaments a chopper is carrying.
If the Apache has a better engine, better radar and armaments then it is doing the job better than WZ-10.
So in the end yes, i stand by my point, an engine alone does not guarantee air supremacy.

Two armies of taxpayers，one is laughing all the way to the bank，the other is parting with money earned with sweat and toil and even blood。

No prize for guessing which army Indian taxpayers belong to。

 

[Beast]

People miss the point when saying Apache is "better" than WZ-10.

It is not the same as F-22 versus J-20 as the two helicopters are not designed to fight each other.

The whole purpose of the 2 helicopters is to destroy armour as quickly and as efficiently as possible.

Currently the Apache has an advantage as it can carry 16 anti-tank missiles as compared to 8 on the WZ-10.

When the new engine is installed on the WZ-10, then it will also be able to carry 16 anti-tank missiles.

With the new engine, the WZ-10 will be indeed a "better" helicopter than the Apache as it will be able to almost anything that an Apache can do but at a much reduced cost.

Looks like China is indeed winning the "bang for buck" war with the US.

And the result for India will be dire as it will have to purchase a much more costlier helicopter that may only be marginally effective than the cheaper domestic Chinese version.

Seriously, I don't see the point of WZ-10 underpowered. In fact, wu xingming , the chief designer of WZ-10 is so confident of this helo that it rank it the best top 3 helo attack. All the so called, underpowered thing is just some make up stuff by western media to make them feel better. Just like how they claim CV liaoning has no airborne aircraft ready to take off and landed on it when she had commission. The zhuhai 2012 airshow performance more or less confirm his sentiment abt the good abilities of WZ-10. It's looks very agile and fast. In fact, I don't see a problem of it carry 16 HJ-10 Anti tank missiles. Given that each missile weight 50kg, 16 of it will weight a mere 800kg. That is a very light load for a helo like WZ-10 helo.

WZ-10 in fact does not look as heavy as what many think. From the YouTube video, you can see the profile of it, in fact WZ-10 looks small and slim. Therefore it doesn't need an engine as powerful as the AH-64 to get it the same performance level.

As for WZ-10, I think it's body profile is definitely more stealthy than AH-64 given its later design, the cockpit and HMDS looks modern and sophisticated. The only thing is lacked at the moment a radar but its developed at the moment and tested on Z-9. I believe it will be in service soon.

WZ-10 are currently mass producers and more than 3 regiment in service. Looks like PLA is very happy about its performance.

 

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