Z-10 or T-129 Atak or AH-1Z for the Pakistan Army?

[nomi007]

T129 attack helicopter crash

 

[Gentelman]

Beta pehlay aik baat samajh lay, you can't convince anybody buy just saying that this is > than that. as @Bilal. already said that if you have convince someone than you have to back up your views by sufficient proof.

yeah I can't convence someone who don't wanna be convinced and just talking about what is about future
go on google its E/W system
ever tried to compare its IRST and FLIR with WZ-10 ones??
just more weaponary doesnot makes something superior.
quality of weapons also matters.
ever compared both HMDS??
go on chk out if WZ 10 have ice detector,emergency location transmittor and territion detector etc.
most of all WZ-10 has serious engine issues.
JF-17 engine issues are i thing pretty enough for us to deal with.

 

[Gentelman]

Talk respectfully with those who are doing the same with you or don't reply to me. It's a discussion forum, expect people to have different opinions, learn to live with it.

This<that said by you makes no difference unless you can logically back it up.

wZ-16 is codeveloped, meaning both will hold full control on the product unlike license production that can have limiting clauses and some critical parts still being imported.

1st paragraph = useless yeah maybe i confused u coz of :pissed. =
well engine issue ain't a prob for T-129
WZ-16 still not tested and didn't ever used.
well if you can prove any WZ-10 tested thing superior regarding IRST,FLIR,E/W or weapon then plzz you should share……

 

[hacksquat]

T129 attack helicopter crash

I don't get it. Is this supposed to mean something? Prototype F-22 also crashed during development (just like many other aircraft) so shell we assume (theoretically) if PAF is offered f-22s it wouldn't be good enough for them? Do you think an accident of a (first) prototype is an indicator of end quality and survivability?

 

[RAMPAGE]

yeah I can't convence someone who don't wanna be convinced and just talking about what is about future
go on google its E/W system
ever tried to compare its IRST and FLIR with WZ-10 ones??
just more weaponary doesnot makes something superior.
quality of weapons also matters.
ever compared both HMDS??
go on chk out if WZ 10 have ice detector,emergency location transmittor and territion detector etc.
most of all WZ-10 has serious engine issues.
JF-17 engine issues are i thing pretty enough for us to deal with.

That's exactly what i'm trying to say. compare the specs of all the above systems in this thread and you will convince me meri jaan kai toatay !!!!

 

[Bilal.]

That's exactly what i'm trying to say. compare the specs of all the above systems in this thread and you will convince me meri jaan kai toatay !!!!

Some people think today's China is like the China of 90s. The reality is things have changed drastically, it's a 9 trillion economy investing billions in defence research and science and technology in general. The truth of the matter is they have world class products now the proof of it ironically is Turkey reportedly choosing HQ-9.

 

[Gentelman]

That's exactly what i'm trying to say. compare the specs of all the above systems in this thread and you will convince me meri jaan kai toatay !!!!

This is the proof that I won&#8230;&#8230;
Thread TAI/AgustaWestland T129 VS CAIC WZ-10 | Pakistan Air Force | Omgili
I got 1st prize&#8230;&#8230;
well about comparison ho through T-129 & WZ-10 threads which are already created.

 

[Gentelman]

Some people think today's China is like the China of 90s. The reality is things have changed drastically, it's a 9 trillion economy investing billions in defence research and science and technology in general. The truth of the matter is they have world class products now the proof of it ironically is Turkey reportedly choosing HQ-9.

They just need some time to be mature enough……
btw even WZ-10 is atleast 3× of what we have today some single engine cobras which can carry 2 hellfire
well btw i never expected any aquirsion by Pakistan so soon so its quite a surprise……

 

[That Guy]

It was a close match up in the beginning, but it's clear that the T-129 has won. The reasons are obvious, but is it the best choice?

...I wonder about that...

Either way, both would benefit Pakistan greatly so all the best to both platforms.

 

[xxxKULxxx]

T129 attack helicopter crash

This is not T-129... It is A-129 and crash took place in Italy...

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Z-10 Thunderbolt

An Army Aviation Z-10 attack helicopter is shown here. Co-developed by the 602 Institute, CHAIC and HAIG as the first dedicated modern attack helicopter for PLA Army Aviation since 1998, Z-10 is generally believed in the same class as South African Rooviak and Italian A129, yet still not as capable as American AH-64 Apache. The helicopter adopts a standard gunship configuration with a narrow fuselage and stepped tandem cockpit with the pilot in the front seat and the gunner in the backseat. The fuselage appears to have a stealthy diamond shaped cross section to reduce RCS. It also have a 5-blade main rotor made of composite material and an AH-64 style 4-blade tail rotor. All the vital areas of the fuselage including the cockpit and fuel tanks are believed to be protected by the armor plates. It weighs about 5.5 tons and was powered initially by two P&W PT6C-76C turboshaft engines (rated @ 1,250kW each) on the prototypes. However domestic developed engines (upgraded WZ-9) are being used in production batches due to the embargo imposed by the west. Its rotor and transmission systems may have been designed with extensive technical assistance from Eurocopter France and Agusta. Its main weapon are 8 newly developed KD-9 or KD-10 ATGMs in the same class of American AGM-114 Hellfire. A 23mm cannon (PX-10A) is mounted under the chin, aimed via gunner's helmet mounted display. Also up to 8 PL-90 AAMs can be carried against enemy helicopters and slow-moving fixed wing aircraft. Its range can be further extended by external fuel tanks. Similar to AH-64, Z-10 features nose mounted PNVS and TVDS housing FLIR, TV camera, laser range finder and designator. RWR and radar jammer antennas are installed on both sides of the forward and aft fuselage. In addition, two laser warning receivers (LHRGK003A) was installed on top of the pylon tips. The helicopter may have been fitted with an integrated communication/navigation system, a comprehensive ECM suite, IFF, chaff/flare launchers, 1553B data bus, HOTAS and a glass cockpit. A preliminary concept was developed in 1995 by Russian Kamov OKB as a contrator. The full development started in 1998 at 602. Two prototypes were built in 2003 and six more were built in 2004. The first flight of 02 prototype took place on April 29, 2003. Several Z-10 prototypes powered by PT6C-76C engine were evaluated by the Army in 2007. However the production was halted due to the embargo of PT6C-76C engine imposed by the Canadian government. In 2009 it was reported that an "optimized" version (Z-10A?) was under development and expected to enter the mass production. This version is powered by the less powerful WZ-9 engines (~1,000kW) thus was forced to have its weight reduced by eliminating certain less-critical parts such as less armor protection, smaller PNVS/TVDS (WXG1006) on the nose similar to that of Z-9WA and a smaller weapon load. After its design certification in October 2010, the first batch of 12 Z-10s entered the service with PLA Army Aviation (S/N LH951xx) in late 2010. More Z-10s are entering the service with the Army (S/N LH981xx, 961xx, 941xx, 991xx, 911xx) since late 2011. However some still carry the original PNVS/TVDS installed on the prototypes but are powered by WZ-9 turboshafts. This version also features additional equipment such as an IR jammer (?) installed on the cockpit roof. It has been speculated that Z-10 could be powered by the new WZ-16 turboshaft engine (~1,500kw) in the future.
- Last Updated 9/8/13

Chinese Military Aviation: Helicopters I

 

[Rafi]

Pakistan will likely also purchase the Z-10 down the line, the forces would like to diversify their equipment especially advanced tech, like the AWACS deal.

 

[Bilal.]

Pakistan will likely also purchase the Z-10 down the line, the forces would like to diversify their equipment especially advanced tech, like the AWACS deal.

I would rather not see that, they should do it once and do it right. We don't have unlimited resources and more should be invested in developing our human resource(education and health) rather than buying 10 different types of attack helos...

 

[nomi007]

dollar is 110RS
AT last every 1 see that PAKISTAN will go for CAIC WZ-10

 

[nomi007]

IR jammer

helmet mounted display