Young Muslims add glam to their hijabs

[muse]

Sexy - well as sexy as covered up Islamicans be and still be Islamican - Don't get me wrong, if you want to be all covered up, that's fine with me as a personal choice, just don't force it on society - but really what's the point? If you want that experience, go get it, why anyone would want it in that way, is a little difficult for me to fathom, because it seems that they want their cake and want to eat it as well - you know like all those girls for whom a trip to london surgeon becomes necessary as soon as the wedding plans are finalized - I guess a measure of hypocracy is necessary in those societies.

 

[Awesome]

BTW are you a fan of Camus? if you have not read him, you must.

Nope had to look it up, found this on wiki, seems interesting:

Religious beliefs and Absurdism
While writing his thesis on Plotinus and Saint Augustine of Hippo, Camus became very strongly influenced by their works, especially that of St. Augustine. In his work, Confessions (consisting of 13 books), Augustine promotes the idea of a connection between God and the rest of the world. Camus identified with the idea that a personal experience could become a reference point for his philosophical and literary writings. Although he considered himself an atheist, Camus later came to tout the idea that the absence of religious belief can simultaneously be accompanied by a longing for "salvation and meaning". This line of thinking presented an ostensible paradox and became a major thread in defining the idea of absurdism in Camus' writings.[11]

While I can relate to certain aspects of this, but I think (and I use think because this should be a women's debate more than us blokes), its also sort of a feminist issue.

It's like "I wear the hijab, with make up and full on fashionable peripherals because I can". Interestingly a silly newsletter with quotes of the day that I'm tied with sent this to me in email:

"What is important is to keep learning, to enjoy challenge, and to tolerate ambiguity. In the end there are no certain answers."
– Matina Horner

About Matina Horner
American psychologist Matina Horner is best known for her groundbreaking research in the late 1960's on smart women's fear of success, which became known as the Horner Effect. She was born in 1939 in Massachusetts. During her 17-year tenure as president of Radcliffe College, she helped integrate the women's college into a mainstream presence for women on the Harvard University campus. She has received several awards and serves on the boards of many institutions.

 

[JonAsad]

These Hizb -e- tahrir and khilafa movement types are largely holed up around Europe and the most pathetic of Muslim bunch. International embarrassment indeed. Lets dissect what burquni really is..well a really tight spandex leotard which doesn't really do much for covering female form. Better to be naked in bikini than such ridiculous work around.

This is utterly rediculous, some one should be hanged
as if covering the head and face is the only purpose of hijab, there is more to it, that way they look ugli, some one should protest for their rights to look beautiful

 

[Hyde]

This is not an Islamic dress code because - Allah says in Surah Noor of the Holy Qur'an

And say to the Believing women that they cast down their eyes, guard their private parts, and not show their adornment, except what thereof is apparent, and let them draw their scarves over their bosoms; and let them not show their adornment, except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husbands' fathers, or their sons, or their husbands' sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or that their right hands own, or attendants out of men not having sexual need, or children who do not appreciate women's nudities; and let them not stamp their feet so that their hidden adornment becomes known; and turn to God all of you, O Believers, that you may prosper.(31)

 

[muse]

Well, sory about that ladies, I guess it's no Burqinis for you, you know, now that you know right from wrong, straight form "Allah says.." -- and just when you thought might could maybe, possibly, be into that whole "cute" thing - tuff break, sorry about that.

But hey, you know when the Islamcan fashion police is not about and you jujst wangt to have fun (oh wait, maybe there's something about how you're not supposed to have fun, well at ;east not without you fathers, husbands, and brothers and Wali(s) around) - dang, tuff break again - but Islamcian girls got it so good, I mean so much better than the other girls, yeah, so you git that going for you, you know whole lot of respect and stuff.


Asim

I can't forgive you for going to Wiki - just pick up a work by Camus they are novels and let that whole philosophy thing come into it later - I think you'll enjoy it - in the sense that you will get a double whammy of sorts, first the novel bit and then discussiing understanding the philosphical ideas that inform the work.

 

[Awesome]

These Hizb -e- tahrir and khilafa movement types are largely holed up around Europe and the most pathetic of Muslim bunch. International embarrassment indeed. Lets dissect what burquni really is..well a really tight spandex leotard which doesn't really do much for covering female form. Better to be naked in bikini than such ridiculous work around.

That actually doesn't seem so tight and so bad (on the eyes). Normally Burkinis looked weird when I first saw it. Btw, why does her pool look kinda dirty.

You need the Spandex material if you want to take a dip, thats just practicality, and the tightness can be adjusted according to ones own personal levels of acceptability.

Hitting the beach is a lot of fun. I'd imagine most of these girls feel really left out so they've devised workarounds.

Modesty too is also defined by them. I mean they really can't help if the men would start imagining the shape of their skinny sides based on that type of material - for that matter even a Burkha can leave the really imaginative ones satisfied.

If the burqini's a degree of acceptable mix of modesty, fun and practicality (as compared to the regular 2 piece), its their call.

 

[Hyde]

Modesty too is also defined by them. I mean they really can't help if the men would start imagining the shape of their skinny sides based on that type of material - for that matter even a Burkha can leave the really imaginative ones satisfied.

hmmm I am sensing your thinking now

 

[Awesome]

This is not an Islamic dress code because - Allah says in Surah Noor of the Holy Qur'an

It doesn't really show their body parts, you are just imagining their body parts . That's a bad on you, not on them - if anything.

Your Islam (and by that I mean your Islamic interpretation of that Ayat) may be different from that Burqini girl's interpretation.

When you come down to it, there really is no better answer to this debate than allowing total freedom. Present your case if you feel the need to, but do so in a way where it doesn't amount to any sort of physical or psychological pressure. Then let there be a choice. People will use their brains to figure out and interpret Islam in the best possible way.

 

[naumananjum]

What Islam teaches is to cover your body
.
dressing lie covering up but still sexy look is not Islamic
.
being decently and neatly dressed up in Islamic manner has its own beauty and a glammer

 

[muse]

If you guys look at the photos of what girls in Karachi and Lahore used to wear to college in the mid and late sixties - all aldies want ot show that shape, they always have and they always will regardless of whgat some tribal code has to say about it.

 

[Hyde]

It doesn't really show their body parts, you are just imagining their body parts . That's a bad on you, not on them - if anything.

Your Islam (and by that I mean your Islamic interpretation of that Ayat) may be different from that Burqini girl's interpretation.

When you come down to it, there really is no better answer to this debate than allowing total freedom. Present your case if you feel the need to, but do so in a way where it doesn't amount to any sort of physical or psychological pressure. Then let there be a choice. People will use their brains to figure out and interpret Islam in the best possible way.

My interperation was based on the last part of the same verse

And say to the Believing women that they cast down their eyes, guard their private parts, and not show their adornment, except what thereof is apparent, and let them draw their scarves over their bosoms; and let them not show their adornment, except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husbands' fathers, or their sons, or their husbands' sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or that their right hands own, or attendants out of men not having sexual need, or children who do not appreciate women's nudities; and let them not stamp their feet so that their hidden adornment becomes known; and turn to God all of you, O Believers, that you may prosper.(31)

Now we know what happens during swimming
Espacially when they are wearing these swimming costumes

Yes if they make it ladies only or they make this dress little more loser - It should be ok but in my opinion this dress is still too tight

 

[Spring Onion]

And i see men going in circles speaking their own mindset pouring some crap wrapped in so-called "intelligent modern talk"

bwahahaha


One word Get a Life guys.


Let the women wear whatever this is to us.

I dont know what is the problem with Muse if you think showing flesh girls are normal and those who wear a scarf (yes this is scarf and NOT Hijab) or cover their heads are not normal then you have some very confused ideas about normality

 

[muse]

I dont know what is the problem with Muse if you think showing flesh girls are normal and those who wear a scarf (yes this is scarf and NOT Hijab) or cover their heads are not normal then you have some very confused ideas about normality

Come on now Jana, no one in his right mind is asking you show anything so why should have a problem is beyond me - UBU jana, cover that up, Pleez

 

[T-Faz]

On a personal level, I have noticed that many middle eastern women seldom wear a hijab only becuase its a necessity and when they are in a non restricted environment, the clothes seem to reflect the environment.

Though there are still quite a few women from that region who wear the hijab or niqab as a choice but a sizeable amount only do it in thier countries becuase its a necessity. Certainly the ones from well off backgrounds are more modern and seem to immitate western styles.

Girls like to be fashionable and it is expected of them to glamorous in whatever attire that is available so that is fine but the purpose of this garment in question is to remain modest and 'low key', hence if you add fashion to it, the purpose becomes void here after.

 

[Awesome]

And i see men going in circles speaking their own mindset pouring some crap wrapped in so-called "intelligent modern talk"

bwahahaha


One word Get a Life guys.

Leh, bhalai ka zamana nahi raha.

Pop culturally speaking traditionally all Muslim men are blamed for their women wearing Hijabs (yes I mean the scarf). By default it is assumed that the men have forced their women into wearing the Hijab - now if a woman chooses to wear it on her own, men have a right to understand and of course debate upon her choice as well. Of course I would agree with you that men don't have the right to dictate the choice, neither do other women, its an individuals choice