Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[Awesome]

Regardless of what Okemos' personal agenda be, its clear both China and Pakistan cannot control terrorism without addressing the root causes of why terrorism exists.

Yes partly it may be that there is covert US support (although we don't have hard evidence for it). Its equally possible that these are the fringe lunatics subverting the message of Islam - fringe bombs kill just as much nonetheless... Some of them will just have to be killed. However a deep rooted resentment exists between the people of these regions with the Chinese government as well as the Pakistani government and a lot of it has to do with the financial condition of these people. This pool of resentment is where the lunatic fringe recruit from and kill both Pakistanis and Chinese.

Hardly any American dies... But we are doing by the dozens every week. Yet America is at the forefront of this war? Pakistan and China must jointly take action on its western regions in a mix of military (in a controlled fashion not all out bombing and killing innocents) and social uplifting of the population.

 

[Albatross]

I am sorry, but why are people of Islam religion so violent? China's peripheral areas are populated by minorities, but only Xinjiang has constant violence.

No matter how politically incorrect it might sound, Islam really need to look into what they have been preaching to their believers!

Muslims are spread across china and there are millions of them and as you know not all of them are doing such violence its only uighurs . And you will have to go into history of this to get your answer as it has nothing to do with Islam its about oppression tactics used by state against a group of people instead of opting for dialogue . China used military in Xinjiang: exiled Uighur leader | GlobalPost

When uighurs protested for the very first time to get their due share in Jobs and education like Han chinese if their voice would have been heard things would have been different but Chinese Govt opted to suppress them with force instead of giving them their due rights and from then this vicious cycle began in which both sides are killing each other .

21 killed in Uighur clashes in China - Australia Network News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

For instance in april this years riots both uighurs and Han people were killed but only uighurs were punished to death.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/world/asia/10xinjiang.html?ref=uighurschineseethnicgroup

Now dont you think those han chinese who killed innocent uighurs should have been punished as well ?

And the families of these executed would feel betrayed by the state and their sons would go for violence as well just to avenge their fathers and this is how this vicious cycle goes on .

The only solution is Chinese govt should go for dialogue with uighurs and give them their due rights and equal option for progress and jobs like han people otherwise it will continue like this and I would say again Islam has nothing to do with whatsoever .
There are many movements in world where suppressed ones rise against the governmnet like maoists, sikhs and kashmiries in india .The only solution is to give them their rights .

There were thousands of Muslims through out history of China who fought as soldier for china e.g Zuo Baogui,Ma Ching-chiang,Su Chin-shou then there were muslim ministers like Ma Linyi who help spread education in china and hundreds of very respected scholars like Wang Daiyu.

So you really cant blame Islam or its teachings for this uighurs problem it is created by wrong attitude of central government towards a certain group .

 

[muse]

As a muslim , I totally agree with you. I'm so disgusted by these Turkic Muslims in China, I've the seen videos online, they are like savages.


But I just want you to know that a lot minority Muslims also suffer from violent attacks. So, please don't assume all muslims are the same.


Majority groups also suffer daily attacks by terrorists.


I support the Chinese government to control these people. They are not acting like Muslims. They act like savages.


Unfortunately the Islamic world is going through a dark period right now.

Muslims are so easily manipulated by outside forces.


Take a look at Syria, I call it Jihad for Imam CIA.


Poverty and ignorance breeds extremism. The Chinese government should continue to develop the area , it might take a generation of two but things will get better.

No Miss, poverty and ignorance does not breed extremism, Religious interpretation breeds extremism - lets be honest, Extremist religious ideology comes from Saudi arabia and they are not poor, Osama was not poor, his deputy is a pediatrician, not poor - plain and ugly truth is that there is a factory producing interpretation that is hateful and hate filled and that facory is in Saudi Arabia and it has branches around the world.

Our Sympathy is with Chinese, just look at what these so called Muslims have done to Pakistan, or anywhere they are allowed to grow - Our message to China - Kill them all, then put pressure on govts like Saudi Arabia to stop the funding of terrorists, of extremist ideology known as Wahabi/Salafi ideology

 

[cnleio]

D@MN !!!!!!! Except kill innocents, there's nothing they can do ? Why not attack soldiers or armed police ?

Only the coward has the balls to kill defenseless civilians, TOO WEAK !!!

 

[Parul]

Great!

I hope to see you voice your concerns to the fundamentalist hindus of your country.

You are no one to tell me what to do or what not to do. Carry on with your Whining and Rhetoric.

 

[RazPaK]

Regardless of what Okemos' personal agenda be, its clear both China and Pakistan cannot control terrorism without addressing the root causes of why terrorism exists.

Yes partly it may be that there is covert US support (although we don't have hard evidence for it). Its equally possible that these are the fringe lunatics subverting the message of Islam - fringe bombs kill just as much nonetheless... Some of them will just have to be killed. However a deep rooted resentment exists between the people of these regions with the Chinese government as well as the Pakistani government and a lot of it has to do with the financial condition of these people. This pool of resentment is where the lunatic fringe recruit from and kill both Pakistanis and Chinese.

Hardly any American dies... But we are doing by the dozens every week. Yet America is at the forefront of this war? Pakistan and China must jointly take action on its western regions in a mix of military (in a controlled fashion not all out bombing and killing innocents) and social uplifting of the population.

Dude, this is happening in higher frequency as long as Americans are in Afghanistan.


For China, their best bet is to support Pakistani foreign policy of Afghanistan.

Under Pakistani supervision, no more training grounds are allowed for anti-Chinese militants.

But if India is given the upper-hand, more and more instability will face China.

 

[Jade]

Honestly Indian..

If you continue your transgressions, then you dotheads are no more than target practice.

In UK, I see black dotheads on Muslims....what are they?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

She's not even in China.

There are still some pieces of sh*t hiding here somewhere, we need to find them and give them 杀千刀。

 

[Silverblaze]

Many people would now come in and say that oh its nothing to do with religion.

Well, it does have to with religion somewhat. These people cite Quranic verses to justify their actions.

Now why are they so?

Two reasons,

1. Many govts in muslim countries actively supported extremist groups in other muslim countries to stave off certain threats.

example, Nasirism was threatening Saudi Arabia and other countries and so they encouraged radical islamic groups. Pakistan supported Taliban. Iran supported Hezbollah.

2. US and others actively and passively supported these radical religionists groups to crush adversaries such as Soviet Union.

Now they have become powerful and disturb many others.

My guess is that US once again has replied China after China refused to cooperate in the Snowden scandal.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think he is loyal to his religion too. Every Chinese who left mainland convert their religion to Christianity.
Same condition in Indonesia, it's very rare to find non-Christian Chinese here.

I am still Atheist, don't give a damn about Christianity at all.

But many oversea Chinese are white worshipping slaves, it is sad, but true.

 

[iranigirl2]

What you guys need to understand is that their cause and actions are not purely Islamic but mostly inspired by Pan-Turks.

Pan-Turk believe they are a superior race, and Turkic nations have to be reunited. They really believe in their supremacy.. kind of like Nazis.

 

[OrionHunter]

What are the major causes behind the underlying tension there between the Han and the Uyghur?

According to the prominent Uyghur human rights activist Rebiya Kadeer, it is not only because they are Muslims but because "they have been treated inhumanely by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), not only from an economic standpoint but also human rights especially since the 1990s.”

In China’s communist period (1949 to present), Muslims have had a complicated relationship with China. On the one hand, China created 10 so-called Muslim Minzu (nationalities) as part of a divide-and-rule political strategy, but on the other hand, Muslims and Islam itself were targeted as enemies of socialism and communism, especially during the Cultural Revolution (1966-1976).

Now, Muslims in China are facing a different situation, in the context of China’s rise, and Han nationalism (especially cultural nationalism) has begun to re-appear. China — which looks at the U.S. waging a war in Afghanistan (also against terrorism and extremism) not so far away — has used the perceived threat of terrorism to justify their actions in Xinjiang.

Economically, the Uyghurs have little, if no access to the Chinese state economy, which includes state corporations and the quasi-military Xinjiang Development and Construction Corps (Its members are farmers during peacetime and soldiers during wartime). Unlike the Han-populated coastal regions of the southeast, the Uyghur economy in Xinjiang is almost dissociated from the Chinese economy.

Culturally, in this Han dominated economy and polity, it’s hard for the Uyghurs to compete or even to get a job since most Uyghurs in southern Xinjiang speak little of the Han language (Chinese Mandarin) and thus have no hope of getting a position in the government or state economic units. Plus because of their religious and racial differences, the Uyghurs have been both openly and covertly constrained and discriminated against.

In a nutshell, international and domestic political, ideological, economic, and cultural factors have resulted in tremendous misery for the Uyghurs, especially since the 1990s and thus resulted in a rebellion against the state.

What's the way forward? That's up to the Chinese government to figure out. The sooner, the better.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What you guys need to understand that their cause and actions are not purely Islamic but mostly inspired by Pan-Turk.

Pan-Turk believe they are superior race , kind of like Nazis.

They actually killed many Hui Muslims and Tajik Muslims.

 

[RazPaK]

You are no one to tell me what to do or what not to do. Carry on with your Whining and Rhetoric.

App larki hain, isliay main aapki izzat kartaa hun. If you want to support India, then curb the terrorist fundamentalist hindus of your nation before pointing fingers.

 

[Okemos]

Regardless of what Okemos' personal agenda be, its clear both China and Pakistan cannot control terrorism without addressing the root causes of why terrorism exists.

Yes partly it may be that there is covert US support (although we don't have hard evidence for it). Its equally possible that these are the fringe lunatics subverting the message of Islam - fringe bombs kill just as much nonetheless... Some of them will just have to be killed. However a deep rooted resentment exists between the people of these regions with the Chinese government as well as the Pakistani government and a lot of it has to do with the financial condition of these people. This pool of resentment is where the lunatic fringe recruit from and kill both Pakistanis and Chinese.

Hardly any American dies... But we are doing by the dozens every week. Yet America is at the forefront of this war? Pakistan and China must jointly take action on its western regions in a mix of military (in a controlled fashion not all out bombing and killing innocents) and social uplifting of the population.

Thanks. A rational mind should tackle the issue at hand, instead of making personal attacks and speculating my "so called" agenda. I have no agenda. I am a devoted Buddhist and my royalty belongs to no religion or political cause; I only wish China's peace and prosperity.

In China, Islam has very negative reputation now thanks to those repeated attacks. Some of the China-flagged members here are probably of Islam conviction so they may want to downplay the issue and create harmonious appearance in this "Pakistani" forum. But this issue persists in China and you can easily see it if you know Chinese and browse any Chinese comments. If this issue is not resolved, it could negatively impact Sino-Pakistan relationship, esp. when a democratically elected government come to power in China.