Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[Water Car Engineer]

Tbh it is only Turkey who standing up for Muslim brothers in China.

Pakistan are more busy using China as a leverage against India and accepting China investment over caring for China treatment of Muslims.

Turkish nationalist on the internet also do so because that region is apart of the, 'Turkic', family.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

The measures include prohibiting "abnormally" long beards, the wearing of veils in public places and refusing to watch state television.

None of that really contradicts Muslim practices.

In Islam, a Muslim's beard should only be the length of your first. Wearing of veils is also something that was culturally borrowed many hundreds years after. Nothing in any of our scriptures talk about wearing veils, it is only about covering your hair - not face.

The Quran clearly says “Say: O people of the Book, do not be excessive in your religion.’” [4:171]

 

[Matirpola]

Tbh it is only Turkey who standing up for Muslim brothers in China.

Turkey itself bans headscarves. LoL.

 

[PakistaniNawab]

Replace China with India and see the flood of comments . Its their country their rules . If India do some thing for cow you can find thousands commenst here and In China they shoot a person who kills a Panda( an animal).

India has 180- 200 million muslims and china barely has 30 million.

 

[Offshore]

No fucks will be given by a certain iron brother community, yet they will flood other countries topics regarding Islamophobia.

It's the true test, are you more nationalist? Goes to show, people in defence forum are a very small group of people in each country.

As far as this content, I have no problem with the concept of their country, their rules. China doesn't have to be PC about nothing, they know too well cockroaches use freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc, etc, etc. to their advantage in a malicious way. But restricting Ramadan, etc. is a bit extreme.

Restrictions on Ramadan only on government officials and student

And stop saying crap, better mind your own country!
In China people won't get killed eating a Beff or rape on day light!

Look at your RSS fanatic going rampage! Without control of government , they create country inside country and no law and order being taken.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Restrictions on Ramadan only on government officials and student

And stop saying crap, better mind your own country!
In China people won't get killed eating a Beff or rape on day light!

Look at your RSS fanatic going rampage! Without control of government , they create country inside country and no law and order being taken.

Passying By...

It's still restriction. And yes whoever one has a right to speak ... that's Free SPeech. A concept hard to believe for some, but still it's their right.

China is meddling into foreign policy, when it's touching Chinese Descendent ( who are not Chinese nationals )... Like the Malaysian/ BIrmanian and Indo case and more recently the Chinese case in France.

Have Fun

Ps: restricting beard or veil is nothing, since it's not the core of the religion practice, but Ramadan is, it's one the 5 pillar of islam... So yes it's important and China policy toward that is stupid and will only bring problems..

 

[Offshore]

Passying By...

It's still restriction. And yes whoever one has a right to speak ... that's Free SPeech. A concept hard to believe for some, but still it's their right.

China is meddling into foreign policy, when it's touching Chinese Descendent ( who are not Chinese nationals )... Like the Malaysian/ BIrmanian and Indo case and more recently the Chinese case in France.

Have Fun

Ps: restricting beard or veil is nothing, since it's not the core of the religion practice, but Ramadan is, it's one the 5 pillar of islam... So yes it's important and China policy toward that is stupid and will only bring problems..

Our ambassador in Malaysia need to take action because we know the risk if native Malaysian going rampage, it also will hurt Chinese tourist and investment in Malaysia , we learn from Indonesia Chinese mascare 98 . After all this people is the same root!
Primitive!

As for France case , it's Chinese citizen got killed , our government have right to know the truth .

And for Ramadan , We don't care whether it's 5 pillar, 6 pillar or million pillar.. it's doesn't matter.
Once you are government official you are atheis and sworn loyalty for country and serve our country!
While for Student , they need to focus on study! Gaokao is no joke and it's beyond your brain to compromise!

 

[Roybot]

Xinjiang official demoted for timidity in fighting religious extremism

A Party official in Northwest China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region was demoted for not daring to smoke in front of religious people, a sign of his timidity in fighting against religious extremism.

Jelil Matniyaz, Party chief of a village in Hotan, Xinjiang was demoted from "senior staff member" to "staff member" on March 25 for his "infirm political stands… and for being afraid to smoke in front of religious figures," read a notice posted on the Hotan Daily's WeChat account on Saturday.

The Saturday announcement comes as the region intensifies efforts to curb religious extremism.

"Smoking is a personal choice, and religious and ordinary people should respect each other, but his behavior of 'not daring' to smoke conforms with extreme religious thought in Xinjiang," said a Hotan official who requested anonymity.

"As a Party chief, he should lead the fight against extreme religious thought, otherwise, he would fail to confront the threat of extreme regional forces," the official said.

According to local religion customs, smoking is not allowed in front of older people or among religious people, Turgunjun Tursun, a professor with the Zhejiang Normal University, told the Global Times on Monday.

However, some religious people force ordinary citizens also to comply with the requirements, a senior official who had been working in Xinjiang for years, told the Global Times on condition of anonymity.

In a sense, whether officials "dare to" smoke in front of religious people reflects their commitment to secularization, the anonymous official said.

The official's demotion is an isolated case, Tursun said, adding that the local government should balance de-extremist behavior and local customs in the crackdown on extremism.

Xinjiang issued a regional anti-extremism regulation in March which bans supporting extremism, and curtailing religious freedom and activities.

The anti-extremism campaign also requires officials to inform local residents about some customs that are used by religious extremists, said Tursun.

Other 96 Hotan officials were also named and shamed in the notice for violating disciplinary regulations, including lax work styles, dereliction of duty, and bribery.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1041792.shtml

 

[Dragon4]

Ohh so the previous thread was locked down, which had its source in DAWN.
Why?
Anyways, had the incident occurred in India, I can bet the thread would have gone to not less than 40 pages.

 

[Roybot]

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/wor...d-for-declining-to-smoke-in-front-of-muslims/

Chinese official demoted for declining to smoke in front of Muslims

BEIJING: In an unusual move, China has demoted an official in heavily Muslim region of Xinjiang for declining to smoke in front of local religious leaders.

Jelil Matniyaz, the ruling Communist party chief of a village in Hotan was demoted on March 25 for taking “infirm political stands…and for being afraid to smoke in front of religious figures,” a notice posted on the Hotan Daily’s social media WeChat account said.

“Smoking is a personal choice, and religious and ordinary people should respect each other, but his behaviour of ‘not daring’ to smoke conforms with extreme religious thought in Xinjiang,” the Global Times quoted a Hotan official as saying.

“As a party chief, he should lead the fight against extreme religious thought, otherwise, he would fail to confront the threat of extreme regional forces,” the official added.

“According to local religion customs, smoking is not allowed in front of older or religious people,” Turgunjun Tursun, The Economic Times quoted a professor with the Zhejiang Normal University as saying.

Earlier, China has announced that it is implementing new measures including a ban on ‘abnormal’ beards in its heavily Muslim region of Xinjiang.

Veils have also been banned in public places along with refusing to watch or listen to state media, as part of the new ‘Regulations on Extremisation of Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.’

Ohh so the previous thread was locked down, which had its source in DAWN.
Why?
Anyways, had the incident occurred in India, I can bet the thread would have gone to not less than 40 pages.

China is probably the only country in the world which is proactively encouraging people to smoke, by penalizing those who "dare not to smoke", for whatever reason it may be. Baffling!

@Chinese-Dragon @Sinopakfriend @Areesh @Levina @ranjeet

 

[Dragon4]

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/wor...d-for-declining-to-smoke-in-front-of-muslims/

Chinese official demoted for declining to smoke in front of Muslims

BEIJING: In an unusual move, China has demoted an official in heavily Muslim region of Xinjiang for declining to smoke in front of local religious leaders.

Jelil Matniyaz, the ruling Communist party chief of a village in Hotan was demoted on March 25 for taking “infirm political stands…and for being afraid to smoke in front of religious figures,” a notice posted on the Hotan Daily’s social media WeChat account said.

“Smoking is a personal choice, and religious and ordinary people should respect each other, but his behaviour of ‘not daring’ to smoke conforms with extreme religious thought in Xinjiang,” the Global Times quoted a Hotan official as saying.

“As a party chief, he should lead the fight against extreme religious thought, otherwise, he would fail to confront the threat of extreme regional forces,” the official added.

“According to local religion customs, smoking is not allowed in front of older or religious people,” Turgunjun Tursun, The Economic Times quoted a professor with the Zhejiang Normal University as saying.

Earlier, China has announced that it is implementing new measures including a ban on ‘abnormal’ beards in its heavily Muslim region of Xinjiang.

Veils have also been banned in public places along with refusing to watch or listen to state media, as part of the new ‘Regulations on Extremisation of Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.’



China is probably the only country in the world which is proactively encouraging people to smoke, by penalizing those who "dare not to smoke", for whatever reason it may be. Baffling!

Its because Chinese are actually very progressive by nature; ban on growing beards, ban on wearing headscarves, ban on fasting during Ramadan and now smoking in front of Muslims are a sign of progress. ^____^

 

[武成王]

A little bit funny when I read the news in Chinese media. CCP is sensitive to all religions esp.
restrict for party members, all CCP members are forbidden to believe any religion, only communism allowed (at least in doctrines). If a party member or official DARE NOT to 'smoke'
before a Mullah, or a priest, he is probably more or less considered to be submissive to religion or intend to 'surrender' to religion. The funny part of this narrative is 'smoking', this word can be replaced with any other action which could potentially collide with other people. First of all, smoking before other people who don't smoke is impolite, should be corrected. Second, China don't encourage smoking. This just indicate SOME officials are very CAUTIOUS when they interact with Mullah, this attitude is considered a 'surrender' or 'easy to be controlled', it's not saying "You SHOULD smoke before Mullah". Smoking is bad thing after all. This also reflect the worrying quality of officials in grass-roots unit.

 

[Roybot]

A little bit funny when I read the news in Chinese media. CCP is sensitive to all religions esp.
restrict for party members, all CCP members are forbidden to believe any religion, only communism allowed (at least in doctrines). If a party member or official DARE NOT to 'smoke'
before a Mullah, or a priest, he is probably more or less considered to be submissive to religion or intend to 'surrender' to religion. The funny part of this narrative is 'smoking', this word can be replaced with any other action which could potentially collide with other people. First of all, smoking before other people who don't smoke is impolite, should be corrected. Second, China don't encourage smoking. This just indicate SOME officials are very CAUTIOUS when they interact with Mullah, this attitude is considered a 'surrender' or 'easy to be controlled', it's not saying "You SHOULD smoke before Mullah". Smoking is bad thing after all. This also reflect the worrying quality of officials in grass-roots unit.

So you are saying no practicing Muslim can be part of the Chinese government?

All that is fine, but demoting someone for that?

And if smoking is considered against the religious beliefs of the local muslims, then why penalize someone who wants to respect the local cultures. Every other country will teach you to respect the local culture. How does not smoking in front of "Mullahs" translates to surrender is beyond me.

@waz @WAJsal @Zarvan @naveedullahkhankhattak

What do you guys make of this?

 

[Zarvan]

So you are saying no practicing Muslim can be part of the Chinese government?

All that is fine, but demoting someone for that?

And if smoking is considered against the religious beliefs of the local muslims, then why penalize someone who wants to respect the local cultures. Every other country will teach you to respect the local culture. How does not smoking in front of "Mullahs" translates to surrender is beyond me.

@waz @WAJsal @Zarvan @naveedullahkhankhattak

What do you guys make of this?

If these news are true China is on path of destruction

 

[Roybot]

If these news are true China is on path of destruction

It was published in government run Chinese newspaper, so its very much true.