Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[xuxu1457]

It's only a voice that US must make to please sb, US and China both know that it's just a voice.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

It is internal matter of China. And USA can't force china on it. We all know China and today's China isn't going to be forced on its internal matters from anyone.

Yeah China should give more economic and religious to its people but not because USA pressurizes China.

but if that happens because of American pressure or Islamic groups, countries pressure or anybody's pressure, it still is a good thing to happen right ? why don't pak govt use it's diplomacy and media to highlight the suffering of Muslims out there ?

 

[iajj]

isn't it good if with American involvement China forced to allow more religious freedom and economic development to the people.

chinese freedom in suppressing turkics' religious freedom or freedom of any sort has never been owed to american non-involvement - it is always owed to the fact that in xinjiang china's military force can accomplish anything in face of american military opposition and turkic civilian or terrorist resistance combined. just like in tibet our freedom in suppressing lamaism is owed not to indian friendship (these backstabbing yindoos we have come to know very well since 1950s) but because our military can effect any policy in face of american military opposition, indian subversion and overt aggression, and lamaist armed rebellion and civilian sabotage.

at that moment, at that locale, that singular power to kill at will, against the wish of anyone else, or any combination of hostile individuals and forces - that is the true sovereign, and chinese sovereignty over lamaists and turkicists and china’s right to kill them at will have driven you yindoos and your white masters nuts for much of the last sixty years, as evidenced by the many illogical, delusional posts you yindoos merrily posted in this thread. stupid yindoos...

 

[liontk]

This topic is very pointless as more developments pick up, most of these rebels will align themselves to the government though at the same time chinois government should not take their status quo but rather develop upon the projects that are being implement in the far western regions. The reality is that the fast chinois growth were not evenly distributed and I will go as far to say that eastern and northern portions of chine are already developed region with very good hdis and I am not talking about the Macau or hong kong, however the same cannot be said Ningxia, inner mongolia or xianjiang where the progress is at a slower pace though this is not to say that there have not been great development in Urumqi for example. I think chinois government priority should be to attract tourism and industries in the far east through incentives or the problem could get troublesome in the future if non state actors get involved and this is assuming that they are not involved already. Also @kalu_miah, i felt your assessment was balanced for the most part though ground realities may completely be different as we are outside observers.

According to wiki, which is a poor source no doubt reports shanghai HDI at 0.908 in contrast to xingJiang at 0.774 or tibet at 0.630 HDI, this is to reflect that growth has been uneven not say that in future it will not be fixed and depends on the priorities of the current administration under the new supreme leader.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

chinese freedom in suppressing turkics' religious freedom or freedom of any sort has never been owed to american non-involvement - it is always owed to the fact that in xinjiang china's military force can accomplish anything in face of american military opposition and turkic civilian or terrorist resistance combined. just like in tibet our freedom in suppressing lamaism is owed not to indian friendship (these backstabbing yindoos we have come to know very well since 1950s) but because our military can effect any policy in face of american military opposition, indian subversion and overt aggression, and lamaist armed rebellion and civilian sabotage.

at that moment, at that locale, that singular power to kill at will, against the wish of anyone else, or any combination of hostile individuals and forces - that is the true sovereign, and chinese sovereignty over lamaists and turkicists and china’s right to kill them at will have driven you yindoos and your white masters nuts for much of the last sixty years, as evidenced by the many illogical, delusional posts you yindoos merrily posted in this thread. stupid yindoos...

if China continue to oppress it will make an enemy out of people of Pakistan and other Islamic countries,
btw you have a powerful military doesn't mean that you have to use it against your own people to oppress them, instead why don't you let them leave their own way, if am right they are only asking for basic human and religious rights.

 

[iajj]

if China continue to oppress it will make an enemy out of people of Pakistan and other Islamic countries,
btw you have a powerful military doesn't mean that you have to use it against your own people to oppress them, instead why don't you let them leave their own way, if am right they are only asking for basic human and religious rights.

hitler started a war that stalin finished. so stalin could do whatever the hell he wanted with germany, with german POWs, with german civilians, with german girls and women. hitler started the war and harmed russia, so he didn't get the right to call it off just because the war turned against him.

the lamaists, these animals you yindoo lots sponsored, instigated, armed, and subsequently shielded, started a war against us, killed our civilians and our troops, but we prevailed in our war against these militan religious nutjobs and then we prevailed in our war against you yindoo backstabbers. what we had in tibet in early 1950s was a cordial, negotiated peace; what we have in tibet after 1962 is a cruel, victor's peace, meaning we now get to kill any lamas who don't smell to our liking. dalai lama started a war that PLA finished, so he should expect no better mercy from us than what hitler should expect from stalin. all his talk of a shrinking list of demands now means nothing, not after he started a war and was so soundly defeated. same goes for the panturkicists who thought they could start a war against chinese and kill our kins with immunity while the rest of the country was engulfed in a bigger war, so when the turkics were finally defeated, they could never expect anything better from us than what they get now: chinese sovereignty is today exercised in xinjiang at expense of turkics' lives, sure, but not only are such exercises legal, but they are totally legitimate.

lesson to yindoos and their sponsored turkic and lamaist terrorists: don't start a war you can't finish! what you guys get today - absolute state power over lives and religion for turkics and lamaists, absolute hostility and friendship with a mortal enemy for yindoos - you guys certainly richly deserve these punishments.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Nothing will happen. China knows how to handle domestic things.

That depends how strong is the rebels there and how China handles it. if the Muslim rebels are strong and China use force it will continue for a long time and that will give America a chance to raise the issue in international forums, various Arab countries might even fund the rebels, China has a good image in front of Islamic countries specially in the eyes of it's all whether friend Pakistan, may be pak govt will keep quiet but other Islamic groups and terror out fits will not sit quiet and common Pakistanis also will rethink about a good China image which they have until now, finally pak govt will have a hard time controlling it's media, emotions of it's people and the terror outfits and assure China that they are still with China . on the other hand if China allow religious freedom and economic package to them they will settle down.

 

[liontk]

if China continue to oppress it will make an enemy out of people of Pakistan and other Islamic countries,
btw you have a powerful military doesn't mean that you have to use it against your own people to oppress them, instead why don't you let them leave their own way, if am right they are only asking for basic human and religious rights.

While i certainly do not agree with your view point but you do understand that argueing with a self proclaimed racist is waste of time rather its like reasoning with a wall, trust me been there Done that.
Ps. Total waste of time

 

[Areesh]

but if that happens because of American pressure or Islamic groups, countries pressure or anybody's pressure, it still is a good thing to happen right ? why don't pak govt use it's diplomacy and media to highlight the suffering of Muslims out there ?

If that happens it won't be because of USA pressure. In fact USA pressure might make things even more bad as China would consider it an interference in their internal matters. It would China who should decide on these issues.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

hitler started a war that stalin finished. so stalin could do whatever the hell he wanted with germany, with german POWs, with german civilians, with german girls and women. hitler started the war and harmed russia, so he didn't get the right to call it off just because the war turned against him.

the lamaists, these animals you yindoo lots sponsored, instigated, armed, and subsequently shielded, started a war against us, killed our civilians and our troops, but we prevailed in our war against these militan religious nutjobs and then we prevailed in our war against you yindoo backstabbers. what we had in tibet in early 1950s was a cordial, negotiated peace; what we have in tibet after 1962 is a cruel, victor's peace, meaning we now get to kill any lamas who don't smell to our liking. dalai lama started a war that PLA finished, so he should expect no better mercy from us than what hitler should expect from stalin. all his talk of a shrinking list of demands now means nothing, not after he started a war and was so soundly defeated. same goes for the panturkicists who thought they could start a war against chinese and kill our kins with immunity while the rest of the country was engulfed in a bigger war, so when the turkics were finally defeated, they could never expect anything better from us than what they get now: chinese sovereignty is today exercised in xinjiang at expense of turkics' lives, sure, but not only are such exercises legal, but they are totally legitimate.

lesson to yindoos and their sponsored turkic and lamaist terrorists: don't start a war you can't finish! what you guys get today - absolute state power over lives and religion for turkics and lamaists, absolute hostility and friendship with a mortal enemy for yindoos - you guys certainly richly deserve these punishments.

dude there is nothing called "yindoo", so stop using your hate vocabulary.
secondly India isn't even remotely involved in this mess you created by oppressing your own people.
third as I replied to KRAIT it will be better for China if they show some respect to the local peoples basic rights and settle it peacefully.

 

[KRAIT]

@Agnostic_Indian I know one thing for sure. China will use every means and iron fists to suppress the rebels.

The Uiyghar Terrorists in Xinjiang comes to Pakistan based terrorist camps to get trained. Terrorists from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan etc. are also sent there to train.

China has raised concerns to Pakistani authorities to take strict actions against terrorist camps being operated on its soils, against China's Xinjiang province.

China Points to Pakistan in Xinjiang Attack - WSJ.com

The Xinjiang problem and Pakistan – The Express Tribune

China pushes Xinjiang hard to ignore Pak - Times Of India

Pakistani authorities are working on it because China is much more important ally of Pakistan, especially due to UN SC membership of China. Otherwise India can get rest of the 4 nations to its side if something as traumatic happens like 26/11, Parliament attack or Kargil.

As for oppression, I don't think China is that oppressive than other so called "civilized" nations which wage wars against any nation on their whims and doubts.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

@Agnostic_Indian I know one thing for sure. China will use every means and iron fists to suppress the rebels.

The Uiyghar Terrorists in Xinjiang comes to Pakistan based terrorist camps to get trained. Terrorists from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan etc. are also sent there to train.

China has raised concerns to Pakistani authorities to take strict actions against terrorist camps being operated on its soils, against China's Xinjiang province.

China Points to Pakistan in Xinjiang Attack - WSJ.com

The Xinjiang problem and Pakistan – The Express Tribune

China pushes Xinjiang hard to ignore Pak - Times Of India

Pakistani authorities are working on it because China is much more important ally of Pakistan, especially due to UN SC membership of China. Otherwise India can get rest of the 4 nations to its side if something as traumatic happens like 26/11, Parliament attack or Kargil.

As for oppression, I don't think China is that oppressive than other so called "civilized" nations which wage wars against any nation on their whims and doubts.

if you mean America then I also agree that what they have done in many places is wrong, but here it's Chinese people themselves are targeted by their own govt, it will certainly attract terror outfits from Pakistan and musharaf already accepted that it's very difficult to control all the terror outfits in Pakistan, so definitely they will have a hard time.

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/201281113456325751

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=150793

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

A city in western China is trying
reduce religious fervor by prohibiting
people from wearing veils, traditional
Arab dress, or growing long beards,
Associated Press reports.
"Dilute religious consciousness,
advocate a civilized healthy life style,"
the notice in the Dunmaili district of
Yining in China's heavily Muslim
western reaches read.
The notice added the campaign's
objective was "to completely get rid
of the abnormal phenomenon in the
entire community of minority ethnic
women and youth wearing Arabian
dress, growing beards and covering
their faces in veils."
The notice also called for stubborn
individuals who refuse to give up their
veils, Arab dress, or long beards to
be educated, and "diehards" turned
over to judicial departments.
Yining is in Xinjiang, a region home to
the traditionally Muslim Uighur ethnic
group. The region has occasionally
seen religiously-motivated violent
unrest.
Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims
and other minority faiths are generally
allowed to wear their traditional dress.
However, both groups have been
targeted in political re-education
campaigns following anti-government
violence related to complaints over
the lack of religious freedom in China.
Xinjiang regional spokeswoman Hou
Hanmin told AP by telephone that she
was unaware of the campaign.
"This is not consistent with the reality
here," Hou said of the campaign,
adding that it sounded "unrealistic."
The notice from the Dunmaili district
of Yining disappeared from the Yining
government website Thursday after
Western press inquiries, but remained
available on a state-run news website.
Bans of face coverings and other
forms of hijab are increasingly taking
hold in Western countries where a
failure to assimilate large numbers of
Muslim immigrants has resulted in
societal divisions and calls to
supplant the indigineous mainstream
Western culture and laws with the
growing minorities' Islamic Sharia law.
Both Tunisia and Turkey have bans on
hijab in public schools, universities,
and government buildings. Morocco
has no official ban, but actively
encourages women to eschew hijab.
In all three countries hijab is seen as
a symbol of political Islam rather than
mere religious expression.


Chinese City Seeks Burqa Ban - Israel National News

I would like to seek comments from learned members like @Awesome, @Aeronaut, @Thorough Pro, @JonAsad
@Raja.Pakistani @ChineseTiger1986


@muse @Safriz
@Developereo
etc that how do you see this particular news of ban of burqa and beard in a city of Yining situated in Xinjiang region ? isn't it wrong for the city authorities curb the freedom of dressing ?How should the Muslims in there strive for their rights and self respect ? sure it's internal matter of China but I am sure you all will have an opinion about it and suggestions for the betterment of people there.

 

[Developereo]

@Developereo
etc that how do you see this particular news of ban of burqa and beard in a city of Yining situated in Xinjiang region ? isn't it wrong for the city authorities curb the freedom of dressing ?How should the Muslims in there strive for their rights and self respect ? sure it's internal matter of China but I am sure you all will have an opinion about it and suggestions for the betterment of people there.

Of course it is a violation of their fundamental rights. No question about it.

As to how Muslims should react, the best way would be to elevate their social and economic position, and to get media exposure, to make their case to the Chinese public. I am sure that, if the issue were debated intelligently, most Chinese people would agree that wielding a gun at a police officer is a crime; but growing a beard is not a crime (or shouldn't be).

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

@JonAsad why only thanks but no comments both times I mentioned you for a comment ?