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Would a Presidential system work better?: YLH

https://dailytimes.com.pk/501881/would-a-presidential-system-work-better/

In the aftermath of Lahore High Court’s decision to take former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif off the exit control list, PTI supporters took to twitter with the trend “Pakistan needs a presidential system.” It is almost as if they believe that in a presidential republic due process and judiciary do not exist but what exists an all powerful single entity of the president who is at once the chief executive, chief judge and commander in chief. This is incredibly naïve and ill-informed.

Two of the world’s oldest democracies in the modern age, US and France, have presidential systems. It does not mean that they do not have legislatures. In fact the US Congress is aware of its British parliamentary heritage. Amongst the portraits of prominent figures in parliamentary history, the US Capitol Building has a portrait of King Edward I of England who is credited for development of the parliamentary tradition. You may recall Edward I as the villainous Longshanks in the film Braveheart. Democracy is democracy and it does not matter whether the executive sits in the parliament or outside of it. Pakistan’s founder Mr. Jinnah sat as the speaker of the constituent assembly despite being the Governor General and often signed bills as such, thus altering the form, which required his assent as Governor General. This is a constitutional point often overlooked by historians of Pakistan’s constitutional tradition.

Pakistan has had both de jure and de facto presidential systems from 1958-1973, 1977-1988, and 2002-2010. The real question has never been of form but who is the president or prime minister. The bottom line has always been that a civilian chief executive has always had a hard time in this country. Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan was perhaps the strongest and most non-controversial prime minister in our history. Yet he was assassinated in broad day light only three years or so into his term. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto who was Pakistan’s President from 1972-1973 and then the first directly elected president was hanged after a dubious judicial process which the superior judiciary of Pakistan itself has disavowed on many occasions, to the extent that his case is not even considered good precedent. Benazir Bhutto was dismissed twice on trumped up charges and was ultimately assassinated close to where the first Prime Minister of Pakistan was assassinated. Three times elected as prime minister, Mian Nawaz Sharif was disqualified on the basis of “iqamah” and has been jailed after a dubious process. He is now on death’s door. So what would happen then if Pakistan was to have a presidential system and a civilian leader was popular enough to win it all? Let us assume that this would be a departure from all established models of presidential democracy in so much that the president of Pakistan would be an elected King embodying the legislative, judicial and even military powers. How long would a civilian be allowed to hold such an office?

Our history affords us a readily available answer to that question. In 1999 Mian Nawaz Sharif tried to make himself the supreme leader with the 15th Amendment to the constitution. His government was sent packing just before it could be passed. Thankfully he shelved the idea in his third term. So the answer is that an all powerful executive, be he president or prime minister would not be acceptable to anyone. Power in any case must be divided up into as many parts as possible. In the US, both the Congress and the Supreme Court act as checks on executive power exercised by the president. This is the only way a presidential system or for that matter any democratic and republican system can work.

Only a democratic system with checks and balances, whether it is presidential or parliamentary, can in the long run serve the people. The role of the judiciary as a counter-majoritarian safeguard vis a vis Article 199 of the Constitution is an important check on any excesses by the executive or even the legislature. Bad mouthing the Lahore High Court for telling the government to take the former prime minister off the ECL does not achieve anything. Any lawyer would tell you that the government had only two courses of action- to either take him off the list or keep him on. There was no third option of asking for an indemnity bond.

Then came the issue of Article 9 of the Constitution, which promises right to life to even convicts. It was the government’s own doctors that certified that Mian Nawaz Sharif could not be treated in Pakistan. If Mian Nawaz Sharif has the means then to travel abroad and get treated there, the government is essentially duty bound to allow him to do so. It is a question of a fundamental right of a citizen. If this means that the same facility has to be extended to all convicts, so be it. That is how law works. It is not about rich or poor. It is often a high profile case that sets precedent that helps many others. This is the way of the law. Those who are now championing a “presidential system” should know that the presidential system does not mean that judiciary ceases to exist. Judiciary is the glue that holds the republic together.

Regards

A completely warped point of view on Presidential System.

Piss poor article calling Bhutto a president!
 
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Salaam

@War Thunder @IbnAbdullah

Sahiban, I stand corrected- "Seek Knowledge even if you have to travel to China." is the correct version, indeed. My apologies!

Regards

That source is not very accurate either regardless of the authenticity of the hadith. They are trying to take it literally.
It's not about going to China ffs. It's a reference to endure hardship and long travels in search of knowledge.
How many Islamic scholars have you known who went to China to gather something? Instead they all focused on translating the works of the Greeks and developing on them.

I think my post and the content of the referenced article were misunderstood.

The hadith has not been classed as 'fabricated' because of the content by Albani. It was done because of the weaknesses in the chain of narration and such. What it means is that - regardless of the content - the people who narrated this particular narration were not truthful and/or a connecting chain is missing all together.

A narration is only classed as fabricated when it some serious flaws in it.
 
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Yeah but still is proving himself to be a lame duck.
His opponents are very influential but still he managed to defeat all of them
Until about two years ago people used to say he can never become pm and now they say he can't do anything
They say this because they don't want him to succeed
His opponents used to say he is not mature like ganja brothers Rana sanaullah etc
Yes he is not experienced in doing corruption like his opponents his opponents were experts in corruption
His weakness is he is not corrupt due to this reason corrupt politicians and government officials don't like him
And if you are talking about Kashmir then Putin has never invaded any country which is four times larger than Russia yes we know you are Muslim you have power of imaan Hindus are coward but wars are fought with money and weapons not with emotions
 
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Yeah but still is proving himself to be a lame duck.

For haters or those who provide solution and IK doent follow start then they start bashing him even from their heart they know he is the right guy.

Be it anchors, forum posters or youtuber like haqeeqat tv.
 
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Until about two years ago people used to say he can never become pm and now they say he can't do anything
They say this because they don't want him to succeed
His opponents used to say he is not mature like ganja brothers Rana sanaullah etc
How he came to power we all know that.
And if you are talking about Kashmir then Putin has never invaded any country which is four times larger than Russia yes we know you are Muslim you have power of imaan Hindus are coward but wars are fought with money and weapons not with emotions
Pakistan won't reach on parity level with Bharat in next 100 years,if they even do nothing and keep sitting,still by sheer size of number game we would lose.
Ik should grow a spine,he can't fight a war better accept LOC as a border and live in peace like BD.
For haters or those who provide solution and IK doent follow start then they start bashing him even from their heart they know he is the right guy.

Be it anchors, forum posters or youtuber like haqeeqat tv.
Who would hate him and for what?
He is wrong guy,else Nawaz and Zardari Co,would have been dead.
 
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Only a democratic system with checks and balances, whether it is presidential or parliamentary, can in the long run serve the people.

But what if the goal is not to serve the people, but only a certain section of them?
 
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How he came to power we all know that.

Pakistan won't reach on parity level with Bharat in next 100 years,if they even do nothing and keep sitting,still by sheer size of number game we would lose.
Ik should grow a spine,he can't fight a war better accept LOC as a border and live in peace like BD.

Who would hate him and for what?
He is wrong guy,else Nawaz and Zardari Co,would have been dead.

And he would be called dictator, hitler etc by you,media and all otheres just see how every anchor, media, politicians start saying he doesnt have heart just because nawaz has low platelates and not letting nawaz go abroad and lahore court will give him 10 time punishment for condempt of court.

Pakistan mai mazloomiat bikti hai.
 
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And he would be called dictator, hitler etc by you,media and all otheres just see how every anchor, media, politicians start saying he doesnt have heart just because nawaz has low platelates and not letting nawaz go abroad and lahore court will give him 10 time punishment for condempt of court.

Pakistan mai mazloomiat bikti hai.
He is member of noon league media cell like many others here
They here indirectly try to defend noon league
 
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And he would be called dictator, hitler etc by you,media and all otheres just see how every anchor, media, politicians start saying he doesnt have heart just because nawaz has low platelates and not letting nawaz go abroad and lahore court will give him 10 time punishment for condempt of court.

Pakistan mai mazloomiat bikti hai.
Well there would come a time when he would be hailed as a national hero.

He is member of noon league media cell like many others here
They here indirectly try to defend noon league
Yeah yeah whosoever doesn't speaks in favour of PTI is from PMLN or another party.
P.S:-Wo PM house waley uni project ka kiya bana:D
 
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How he came to power we all know that
Tumhain yeh takleef sari Zindagi rhay gi inshallah
And army knows what they are doing noonis shouldn't tell what Pakistan should do
General bajwa and dozens of other generals know about Kashmir and India better than any nooni media cell member
 
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Tumhain yeh takleef sari Zindagi rhay gi inshallah
Kiyo tujey mai nai koi personal dard diya hai?
And army knows what they are doing noonis shouldn't tell what Pakistan should do
General bajwa and dozens of other generals know about Kashmir and India better than any nooni media cell member
Army knows everything but when i start counting what they don't knew,that's a black hole compared to what they know.
Yup How i can question wisdom of those who are sitting idle while IOJ&K is under curfew and fellow Muslims are denied everything.?
 
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Army knows everything but when i start counting what they don't knew,that's a black hole compared to what they know.
Yup How i can question wisdom of those who are sitting idle while IOJ&K is under curfew and fellow Muslims are denied everything.?
They know capabilities of Pakistani military and Indians better than anyone else
I have no interest in India
And mainay tumhain koi personal baat nhi ki ghussa na karo acha agar bura laga to sorry
 
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They know capabilities of Pakistani military and Indians better than anyone else
I have no interest in India
We have hearing that foe too long.
And mainay tumhain koi personal baat nhi ki ghussa na karo acha agar bura laga to sorry
That's difference of opinion,Ik has so failed to do anything worth mentioning.Just take out promises he made and what he has done.
 
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It was Army dictator who introduce it and Great Democratic forces(all parties) reverse it.

Without proper checks and balances even Presidential system will be useless. Government need to reduce 50% of it’s overhead and it can only be done with the use of technology, yearly audit and decentralized of power. I think IK should work toward decentralization of power to district, city and union council level. Once that is completed, then he should work toward Presidential system for Pakistan.

How will Presidential system to work...
  1. 60 months of Presidential term and by-election every 30 months.
  2. Election on Half the assembly seats in election year and another after 30 months.
  3. This will cuts down monopoly, bribe, corruption and caste system by a huge margin. This will also give every voter a chance to vote directly for President.
  4. This will stop the way of corruption, that is the base of indirect voting via assemblies.
  5. President will have a full hand in picking his cabinet and will not be relying on incompetent electables.
  6. President can eventually transfer the provincial power to divisions and make divisions as the second tier of government by giving them NFC award.
 
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