Worshippers killed in Afghanistan attack

[Ahmad]

Firstly R.I.P. to the innocent people that have lost lives and loved ones. It is a sheer outrage that humans can do this to each other - simply defies everything.
Secondly Ahmad - I sense from your posts that you are holding Pakistan responsible or partly responsible for Afghanistani misgivings. Stand back for a second. Which country has taken nearly 10 million refugees? Which country has lost 10s of thousand lives? Which country is being constantly grilled in the international field for actions in Afghanistan?
Why dont we look at the Afghanistani leaders for a start - even the Americans are telling the world what Karzai is. They put the puppet government in then have the audacity to call him a muppet? Karzai is sending millions to UAE to purchase property. These millions belong to Afghanistan. Before blaming Pakistan my friend - i suggest you look at Kabul and your own fanctions and so called leaders. Im sorry but one must look at your own superstars before criticising anything externally.

nobody is questioning the stupidity of our leaders, i am not here to defend them, but that does not mean pakistan is innocet.

 

[MilSpec]

If that is true, why are these groups killing Pakistani troops & intelligence personnel everyday? There have been many attacks from Afghan terrorists (not TTP) against the Pakistani troops. Why has the Pakistani Army launched hundreds of missile strikes in Nangarhar & other Afghan provinces where there is no TTP presence, only Afghan militants presence? There is definitely something wrong with your logic.



Case closed. Maybe you should let the experts on Afghanistan Pakistan do the talking here.

so you are an expert on afganistan? cool .. just get the entire ISI delusion sorted out... good luck

 

[53fd]

i cant understand this, you are scared of the Afghani taliban and are doing nohting against them, but take the fight against the TTP, despite the fact that both of them are as brutal and have the same idieas.

Pakistan is launching missile strikes against Afghan militants, in many Afghan areas where there is no TTP presence. The Afghan militants are your own citizens, & pressure is being built on Karzai to 'be responsible' for them. However, if Pakistan gets on their bad side, they can simply relocate themselves to anywhere in Afghanistan anytime they want, & hit Pakistan harder. The TTP are our own citizens, they're the ones really hitting us hard, & we can deal with them whatever way we want, & they do not get the privilege to relocate (at least legally, & it becomes a legal issue for Afghanistan then, in which they will be forced to take action against them if pressurized by the Pakistan government) in Afghanistan like Afghan militants do. In other words, the Afghan militants can be a much bigger nuisance to Pakistan across the porous border if Pakistan gets on their bad side as compared to the TTP. Pakistan does not want Afghans hostile to Pakistan post 2014, as they will be a huge nuisance for Pakistan.

i am sure these things happen in wars, but i can give you many recent examples that there has been an ongoig fight agaist them.

It's only recent examples. The Swat-Malakand operation took place many years ago, & the TTP got their safe refuge in their safe havens in Afghanistan for many years.

 

[53fd]

Also, the Pakistan Army is only responding to the attacks from the TTP & the Taliban. The attacks from the TTP are much more prevalent on Pakistan against the Pakistan Armed Forces & the tribal people as compared to the Afghan militants, which is why Pakistan is attacking them harder. There have been cross border attacks from Afghan (non-TTP) militants as well, & they have been dealt with appropriately. The Pakistan Army has launched many missile strikes against the Afghan militants where TTP doesn't have a presence.

 

[Ahmad]

Pakistan is launching missile strikes against Afghan militants, in many Afghan areas where there is no TTP presence.

I cant understand this, why there is double stand in pakistan's position? You are giving a free hand to the haqanis in your country, but are pounding the other groups in Nangarhar?

However, if Pakistan gets on their bad side, they can simply relocate themselves to anywhere in Afghanistan anytime they want, & hit Pakistan harder.

well, Pakistan is officially on their bad side, isnt it the case? but we havent seen the taliban attacking you, even mullah omar have requested the TTP not to attacvk PA, what doest it tell us......

Pakistan does not want Afghans hostile to Pakistan post 2014

well, because of double stand of pakistan, the general public no matter what ideology they got are against pakistan.

It's only recent examples. The Swat-Malakand operation took place many years ago, & the TTP got their safe refuge in their safe havens in Afghanistan for many years.

i dont think so.....they didnt have safe havens there especially pre 2001, but they were actively taking part in our war and killing our citizens, and luckily many of them were captured and killed in this process too. In those day and age this group was dear to Pakistan, only now they became hostile because of confli9ct of interest.

 

[53fd]

I cant understand this, why there is double stand in pakistan's position? You are giving a free hand to the haqanis in your country, but are pounding the other groups in Nangarhar?

No one is giving the Haqqanis a free hand, Pakistan has given US intelligence on targeting them in the past, & is doing that right now. The only reason why another front could not be opened against the Haqqanis is because the Army has been stretched thin, basically operational issues. On the other hand, launching rockets does not stretch the Army thin in anyway.

well, Pakistan is officially on their bad side, isnt it the case? but we havent seen the taliban attacking you, even mullah omar have requested the TTP not to attacvk PA, what doest it tell us......

The Taliban were told not to avoid civilian casualties as well just a few days ago, & look what happened today.

Whatever Mullah Omar might have requested, Afghan militants (not the TTP) have been killing Pakistani troops. Even the TTP's Mehsud pledges his allegience to Mullah Omar, yet he has been attacking the Pakistani troops unrelentingly.

i dont think so.....they didnt have safe havens there especially pre 2001, but they were actively taking part in our war and killing our citizens, and luckily many of them were captured and killed in this process too. In those day and age this group was dear to Pakistan, only now they became hostile because of confli9ct of interest.

First of all, the TTP was not officially formed prior to December 2007. The Malakand operation in Pakistan took place a few months after that, after which the TTP fled & got their safe havens in Afghanistan after the US vacated/abandoned their outposts.

Prior to 2007 & 2001, these fighters (Mehsuds & others) were individually invited & recruited by their Afghan hosts, & there was no such group known as the TTP. It was only a bunch of Pakistani fighters that were invited by their Afghan 'host' fighters, but not a group.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

Well, talking about facts, it is a trend that take us all to one direction no matter what. See what Gul says about Haqani(i think he mentions hekmatyar's name as well??) and group of his fighters:

sorry, there is nothing called *********, try harder next time

---------- Post added at 06:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:04 PM ----------

Shouldn't we also ask,

Who aided recognized and promoted the taliban regime,

Who was responsible for assassination of ahmed shah massoud

who conducted the airlift of evil

who indoctrinated the afghan refugees in madarsas

who provided shelter to top AQ leadership

who is still providing arms and ammunition to afghan taliban

who is blocking NATO supply routes

who watched and stood beside mullah omar when the entire Afghanistan was being pushed into dark ages

shouldnt indians be caring more about india? or do all indians like you put their hands up others *****?

 

[MilSpec]

sorry, there is nothing called *********, try harder next time

shouldnt indians be caring more about india? or do all indians like you put their hands up others *****?

No point in reporting your post but I do wonder what the moderators would have done if some Indian posted the above.... "Drawn_Sword_of_God "well done you are on you way to becoming a researcher, congrats

 

[silko]

i wrote a sentence in hope that someone would verify and when i come back later, this thread ALSO turned into a ISI vs India debate...

seriously... people died and you talk about something totally off topic!

 

[Cheetah786]

believe me guys, these people have a f**ked up minds, i am telling this from my very personal experience with them, some experience which goes not long ago. They have horrific ideas, very dangerous, and no matter what you do/tell, they stubornly rubbish you off. They are ready to go to any extend for their moronic cause.

Surah Baqara 2:6-7:

"As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe; God hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur)."

brother Qur'an is very clear about these people.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

No point in reporting your post but I do wonder what the moderators would have done if some Indian posted the above.... "Drawn_Sword_of_God "well done you are on you way to becoming a researcher, congrats

alright sorry man, no hard feeling ey?
and besides we have all right to block NATO supply lines because it is OUR country our laws
and ahmed shah massoud was killed by a suicide bomber, not our work
are you claiming we are helping the taliban and fighting them at the same time? come on
what is happening in afghanistan is not our problem, we already saved Afghanistan from the communists who probably still would have control there if it wasnt for our hard support and soviet union might still have existed.

we Pakistanis need to be hard on the afghans because everyday they cross into our country and blow themselves up and kill Pakistanis with them