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World sees new super power.

Yes the new ideology is pragmatism. :thinktank:

Have you finally realised what the word "Communism" means? :rofl:



Clearly this does not apply to modern China, which has private property, and even a "market economy". Our market economy is now even the second largest in the world.

We have what works. I won't call it anything, it's better to call it "the system that works".

Where else can you find the relentless drive of capitalism, represented by the small factories for export, right alongside some of the largest state owned companies in the world?

the soviet union also had private property, there is no such thing as communism, only socialism.

we are not a superpower, this is an outdated concept.
 
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The title seems to be misleading because China was recognised as a super power long back, due to which it was given the Security Council some 30 years or so back.
 
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Constructive criticism on Captain America's comment that China is not a super power

In world history, only one country--the United States--has truly acquired all the capabilities of a superpower: a technologically advanced economy, a hi-tech military, a fully integrated nation, insuperable military and economic advantages vis-a-vis potential competitors, capacity to provide global public goods and an appealing ideology. Even in its heydays, the former Soviet Union was, at best, a one-dimensional superpower--capable of competing against the United States militarily, but lacking all the other crucial instruments of national power

In world history, only one country--the United States--has truly acquired all the capabilities of a superpower

If you wish to discuss world history arguing against china, haha ok
take for example Song dynasty and lets compare to European Civilization

a technologically advanced economy

usage of banknotes, unified tax system, set up partnerships and joint stock companies, trade with 50 other countries at the time from Japan to Egypt, best naval crafts of the world providing a strong base for maritime trade, technologies domincance in physics, chemistry and biology etc gunpowder oriental medicine, windmill power, hydromills

ya i consider that technologically advanced

a hi-tech military

Ya i'd like to see which ever other country lasted in a 6 decade war against the mongol invasion and it was after the original song split into north and south.

a fully integrated nation

I'm not clear on what you are saying in this?

insuperable military and economic advantages vis-a-vis potential competitors

refer to above

capacity to provide global public goods and an appealing ideology

silk, porceline, other comoddities? that bankrupted even the Roman empire. Not to mention Japanese/Korean/Indochina adopting Song culture

The Song dynasty is not considered to be the golden age of Chinese civilization and nor is the PRC

for United States 30 years as a developing nation is about 1/6 of her history

for China 30 years is 1/120 of her history

for 2000 years she was top of the world in science, commerce, military, and universal appeal starting from 221 BC-1800 AD

now lets think bigger, what do you think a country with 1/5 of the world population is capable of in another 20-50 years? 100-200 years?

pardon me for not sharing your "snapshot" views but if u want to argue for the legacy of a nation throughout history and not just the duration of little time period which you are alive.

Not another super power ?
 
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I cannot believe this stupidity in this thread
Some people are so juvenile they believe in a India-China asian part of the world leading the world

Someone spoke about history. Never India had an important rule in history. For China it was quite different as they gave the world many inventions and trading in a far past.

China having structural problem, problems of old people,
but still we can see they attract the foreign companies. If they start to insult them saying they are the masters, then they won't get anything of this stupid behavior.

Just a point , because i am uin business in competition with chinese
They do cheap and sometimes they have no rule
friends in Iran are loosing their business because imports of cheap manufacturs are killing the companies but not only it kills the art !
they copy the carpets illegaly and sell to USA now (India too)
it is just an exemple but here in Europe you see Europe getting down... until the point they understand they cannot go further and will find another way to stop partly buy to China
So what ? you think China will have the super growth with less clients?

In the business it needs respect and both interests
USA did understand it far more than China they didn't kill the other economy.

Another point is India. how can people compare a poor country, a country which sticks to poverty and the rules of people accepting their poverty... how they can compare to China?
they have so much problems to solve ... before saying they would lead the world i guess

And about the stupid statement "jealous"
look USA is technologically far superior like Japan
look USA and China are dependant each other
so the stupid statements above from juvenile character ... yes i agree 100% with the americans on this forum... for me it is just incredible to read
"we are going to lead the world like in the past"
stupid ignorant people :(
 
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China’s Not A Superpower–Yet
Posted by Helen Wang
A large U.S. delegation with the country’s top 200 policy makers visited China a few weeks ago for three days of high-level meetings. Although the dialogue produced no concrete results, it is an important step to improve mutual understanding and trust between the two countries.

Many people in the U. S. believe that China is already a superpower, or will quickly become a superpower. Yes, China is on its way to becoming the second-largest economy in the world. But I don’t see China as a superpower, and I doubt it will ever become one.


Fareed Zakaria said in his bestselling book The Post-American World that a superpower is a country that achieves dominance in ideas or ideology, an economic system and military power.

In terms of ideas or ideology, the Chinese are probably more confused than anyone else in the world. During the Cultural Revolution, many Chinese traditions, including Confucianism, were destroyed. Communism has proved to be disastrous, and no one believes in it anymore. In today’s China where money is king, people have become disillusioned with any notion of ideals. There has been serious moral decay in society.

In recent years, the Chinese government has called for building “a harmonious society.” Harmony is a virtuous concept deeply rooted in Chinese culture and the Confucian tradition. It could become a new ideology for China. However, it has been overly used in propaganda and has become a cliche rather than a meaningful ideal.

The United States remains a country that stands for the universal ideals that people around the world aspire to–liberty and democracy. Unlike Americans, who have a clear message for the world, the Chinese do not have a vision for themselves, let alone to influence the world. I have talked to Chinese officials, scholars, businesspeople and students. None of them see China as a superpower. In contrast, many of them look up to the United States as a model and admire the “American way of life.”

Economically, China’s achievements are indeed impressive. In the past 30 years, China has sustained nearly double-digit growth. However, we need to keep in mind that China started from a very low level of GDP. Much of its growth comes from heavy investment in infrastructure. In 2009, China’s per-capita GDP was only about $3,600, compared with $46,000 in the United States. Among the world’s 10 largest companies, the United States claims five, and China has none.

With all the troubles on Wall Street, it is easy to forget that China’s economic success is actually a triumph of capitalism. In recent decades, China has been learning from the West and now primarily practices capitalism. Although China is searching for a recipe that suits the country’s unique situation, namely a “socialist market economy with Chinese characteristics,” it has been a trial-and-error exercise. China has not yet established an economic model that has proven it can withstand long-term tests.

Some people believe that China will eventually surpass the United States as the world’s largest economy. Others argue that the line between the U. S. and China may never cross. I believe that China’s economy will continue to grow rapidly over the next 10 to 15 years. After that, it will slow down when its per capita income approaches $10,000. That will make China’s economy close to the size of the U. S. economy.

Militarily, China’s military spending is only a fraction of what the U. S. spends. A 2009 Pentagon report estimated China’s total military spending at between $105 and $150 billion, compared to $719 billion by the United States. Until recently, China did not have a coherent foreign-policy or a global strategy. Even its current foreign policies are almost exclusively commercially-focused.

Harvard professor Joseph Nye has a more detailed analysis about whether China will become a contender with the United States. As he pointed out, “The fact that China is not likely to become a peer competitor to the U.S. on a global basis does not mean that it could not challenge the US in Asia, and the dangers of conflict can never be ruled out.”

I think China’s influence in Asia will be limited. Who is China’s ally? Singapore? North Korea? India is more likely to be allied with the U. S. than with China, and we know Japan’s position. As much as I love China, I have to agree with Singaporean scholar Simon Tay’s comment: “No one in Asia wants to live in a Chinese-dominated world. There is no Chinese dream to which people aspire.”

By all measures, China is not a superpower. With other major economies such as India and Russia on the rise, it is hard to see China ever becoming a superpower.

Despite all the problems the U. S. faces, I still believe that the United States has stronger long-term political and economic fundamentals than China. Many vital functions of Chinese society, including its education and health-care systems, are far from sophisticated.

China is not yet a country of the rule of law. The government still arbitrarily detains dissidents and censors the Internet. Corruption and nepotism are rampant. Chinese culture tends to reward the mediocre rather than the extraordinary. There are many uncertainties in China’s future including the ramifications of environmental degradation, an aging population, political instability, social strife and ethnic conflicts.

However, China will be a major economic power. It will probably be the second most important country in the world after the United States on many critical international issues. China’s presence as a major economic power will be good for the world as well as for the U. S., as no one wants to live in an American-dominated world either. China’s strength is that it can be assertive without being confrontational. It is crucial that the United States makes China a partner, not an enemy, because the future of the world’s prosperity and stability depends on it.

See more comments at the author’s website: Myth of China as a Superpower.
China’s Not A Superpower–Yet - China Tracker - What a superpower wants - Forbes
 
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Myth of China as a Superpower
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ShareMany people in the West believe that China is already a superpower, or will quickly replace the United States to become a superpower. A recent poll by the Pew Research Center reveals that 44 percent of Americans believe that China is the top global economic power, while in reality, China’s economy is barely one-third the size of the U. S. economy. This kind of misconception has engendered many unrealistic fears about China.

The truth is that China is not a superpower, and I doubt it will ever become one.

Fareed Zakaria, CNN host and Washington Post columnist, defined in his bestselling book The Post-American World that a superpower is a country that achieves dominance in ideas or ideology, an economic system, and military power.

In terms of ideas or ideology, the Chinese are probably more confused than anyone else in the world. During the Cultural Revolution, many Chinese traditions, including Confucianism, were destroyed. Communism has proved to be disastrous, and no one believes in it anymore. In today’s China where money is king, people have become disillusioned with any notion of ideals. There has been serious moral decay in society.

In recent years, the Chinese government has called for building “a harmonious society.” Harmony is a virtuous concept deeply rooted in Chinese culture and the Confucian tradition. It could become a new ideology for China. However, it has been overly used in propaganda and has become a cliché rather than a meaningful ideal.

The United States remains the country standing for the universal ideals that people around the world aspire to – liberty and democracy. Unlike Americans who have a clear message for the world, the Chinese do not have a vision for themselves, let alone to influence the world. I have talked to Chinese officials, scholars, business people and students. None of them see China as a superpower. In contrast, many of them look up to the United States as a model and admire the “American way of life.”

Economically, China’s achievements are indeed impressive. In the past 30 years, China has sustained nearly double-digit growth. However, we need to keep in mind that China started from a very low level of GDP. Much of its growth comes from heavy investment in infrastructure. In 2009, China’s per capita GDP was only about $3,600, compared with $46,000 in the United States. Among the world’s top-10 largest companies, the United States claims five, and China has none.

With all the troubles on Wall Street, it is easy to forget that China’s economic success is actually a triumph of capitalism. In recent decades, China has been learning from the West and now primarily practices capitalism. Although China is searching for a recipe that suits the country’s unique situation, namely a “socialist market economy with Chinese characteristics,” it has been a trial-and-error exercise. China has not yet established an economic model that has proven it can withstand long-term tests.

Some people believe that China will eventually surpass the United States as the world’s largest economy. Others argue that the line between the U. S. and China may never cross. I believe that China’s economy will continue to grow rapidly over the next 10 to 15 years. After that, it will slow down when its per capita income approaches $10,000. That will make China’s economy close to the size of the U. S. economy.

Militarily, China’s military spending is only a fraction of what the U. S. spends. A 2009 Pentagon report estimated China’s total military spending at between $105 and $150 billion, compared to $719 billion by the United States. Until recently, China did not have a foreign policy or a global strategy. Even its current foreign policies are almost exclusively commercially-focused.

Harvard professor Joseph Nye has a more detailed analysis about whether China will become a contender with the United States. As he pointed out, “The fact that China is not likely to become a peer competitor to the US on a global basis does not mean that it could not challenge the US in Asia, and the dangers of conflict can never be ruled out.”

I think China’s influence in Asia will be limited. Who is China’s ally? Singapore? North Korea? India will be more likely allied with the U. S. than with China, and we know Japan’s position. As much as I love China, I have to agree with Singaporean scholar Simon Tay’s comment, “no one in Asia wants to live in a Chinese-dominated world. There is no Chinese dream to which people aspire.”

By all measures, China is not a superpower. With other major economies such as India and Russia on the rise, it is hard to see China ever becoming a superpower.

Despite all the problems the U. S. faces, I still believe that the United States has stronger long-term political and economic fundamentals than China. Many vital functions of Chinese society, including its education and healthcare systems, are far from sophisticated. China is not yet a country of the rule of law. The government still arbitrarily detains dissidents and censors the Internet. Corruption and nepotism are rampant. Chinese culture tends to reward the mediocre rather than the extraordinary. There are many uncertainties in China’s future including the ramifications of environmental degradation, an aging population, political instability, social strife and ethnic conflicts.

However, China will be a major economic power. It will probably be the second most important country in the world after the United States on many critical international issues. China’s presence as a major economic power will be good for the world as well as for the U. S., because no one wants to live in an American-dominated world either. China’s strength is that it can be assertive without being confrontational. It is crucial that the United States makes China a partner, not an enemy, because the future of the world’s prosperity and stability depends on it.

Myth of China as a Superpower THE CHINESE DREAM
 
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Another point is India. how can people compare a poor country, a country which sticks to poverty and the rules of people accepting their poverty... how they can compare to China?
they have so much problems to solve ... before saying they would lead the world i guess

Do you have any Idea about India? I'm really sorry for your intellectual.

Asia will rise once again friend, I'm sorry Iran won't be part of it.
 
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Do you have any Idea about India? I'm really sorry for your intellectual.

Asia will rise once again friend, I'm sorry Iran won't be part of it.

Well India could follow the Chinese Prescription for SUCCESS.

Part 1 Kill off every one that disagrees with the goverment, a 100 million in the case of China.

Part 2 Send countless millions more to concentration re-education work camps that are guilty of Disharmonious thoughts. No trials necessary.

Part 3 Brainwash all children into beliving there is no God untill age 18.

Part 4 Allow no one in power that belives in God or religion, nor allow any one in power family to profess religion.

Part 5 Censorship, make sure that the people only hear and say what the goverment wants, in China case that now means 75,000 people employed as censors.

Presto, magic, you have a economy one third that of the USA but it takes 5 times the number of people to produce it.
 
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Do you have any Idea about India? I'm really sorry for your intellectual.

Asia will rise once again friend, I'm sorry Iran won't be part of it.

the nazis said they wanted to dominate the world
i am surprised still some people think they can dominate the world

i didn't know much about India
i am just pointing the obvious point economy of China has nothing to compare with India. China got a lot of investment and they invest back to US. there is nothing this level with India.
the success of China is not the succes of India. point.

About Iran seems you want to insult our country.
i am not jealous , us Iranians we don't want to lead the world.
we want to make business, we want to be respected and live normally
like normal people ;)
of course i care very much for my country and work to help my brothers
but i 'll never support any extremist group or idea
like the idea to lead the world

Iran and many countries around which have much to share between us
we can have an important position in the world
a position that is not only economic but as well for the philosophy
i wish from all my heart we can build something in a near future

i don't know why in this forum some people need so much be arrogant
i know Iranians are known to be arrogant
but the level of Indian comments here is really a disaster to me
i am disappointed and you give a bad picture of your country
 
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I hope china does well and set a precedent for India. Although, I would like to see India growing like china but not by the same means.
 
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i don't know why in this forum some people need so much be arrogant
i know Iranians are known to be arrogant
but the level of Indian comments here is really a disaster to me
i am disappointed and you give a bad picture of your country

You know what Irani chai (tea) is very famous in our Hyderabad city. Thats not "arrogent", is it?
 
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China keeps economic triumphalism in check

China's economy has overtaken Japan's but is still a work in progress, and perhaps an accident waiting to happen


The news that the Chinese economy is finally leapfrogging Japan's has attracted more comment in the west than inside China itself.

"I didn't see any dancing in the streets," said Arthur Kroeber, managing director of Beijing-based consultancy Dragonomics. "Most Chinese people who pay any attention to these things have known it was going to happen for a long time.

"[In time] they will be the biggest economy, which makes sense given that they have the most people. The world we have been living in for the past century and a half has been bizarre in that China and India have not been the biggest economies, which is what they were for 2,000 years before that. In that sense this is a return to the normal situation."

But the lack of triumphalism reflects caution about the country's prospects as well as a sense of inevitability.

"While we could drink beers to mark our jubilation, this country has no reason to be complacent," wrote columnist Li Hong on the People's Daily English language website.

China's leaders are keen to constantly remind people that, despite its soaring skyscrapers and increasingly traffic-clogged roads, it is still a developing country. Its per capita income was around $3,600 last year – less than a tenth of Japan's, which stood at $37,800 in 2009.

It weathered the financial crisis better than most, thanks in large part to a hefty stimulus package, but must now ensure a soft landing. Gross domestic product growth stood at 11.9% in the first quarter of this year, falling to 10.3% in the second.

Some, such as investor Marc Faber, see China as an accident waiting to happen, warning that its growth is not sustainable and that a property bubble will soon burst. Others are confident that measures taken by the government have been enough to rein in speculators' excess.

Leaders share economists' concerns that the country is too dependent on exports and investment, and have spoken repeatedly of the need to boost domestic consumption, though with little obvious result. Wages have declined substantially as a share of GDP growth over the last two decades. And the economy is not the only thing growing: so too is the wealth gap.

Looking to its neighbour may reinforce rather than allay China's concerns. If the scale of Japan's economy has helped to spur on China's efforts to surpass it, its stagnation has also offered an alarming reminder that rising powers enjoying spectacular growth rates are not always as unstoppable as they might look.

.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/16/china-japan-economy-reaction
 
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You know what Irani chai (tea) is very famous in our Hyderabad city. Thats not "arrogent", is it?

lol

golestan tea indeed is a mix of persian and indian tea
indian tea is very famous in iran .. euh i mean in the world
the only difference you do with milk way? no?
 
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the nazis said they wanted to dominate the world
i am surprised still some people think they can dominate the world

i didn't know much about India
i am just pointing the obvious point economy of China has nothing to compare with India. China got a lot of investment and they invest back to US. there is nothing this level with India.
the success of China is not the succes of India. point.

China nor India doesn't want to dominate the world, prove me if i'm wrong. No Indian claimed Indian economy is equal to china. You don't have to be Einstein to know $1.3 trillion economy is not equal to $5 trillion economy. We know we are growing phenomenally someday we will be rich like western countries. We will catch up chinese very soon in coming years. You are hurt with your ego, don't spit your stupidity.
 
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