World Intellectual Prop Org: Rise of China as World's Largest IP Powerhouse

[AndrewJin]

Note to the post: ZTE and CSOT (China Star Optoelectronics Technology) are tech powerhouses among the global Top 100, but Meizu is yet to make it happen. In WIPO 2016, there are 23 Chinese companies in the list, I hope more Chinese tech firms can join in coming years.

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It seems that most patents filed in SK and Japan are from big corporations?
I guess there are big corporations in China but also a huge number of small and medium size of innovators.

 

[Shotgunner51]

It seems that most patents filed in SK and Japan are from big corporations?
I guess there are big corporations in China but also a huge number of small and medium size of innovators.

Yes you are correct, R&D is indeed highly concentrated with large corps in JP/SK, while in China it's more dispersed across from state R&D institutes, large corps, SME's, startups to even individuals. Reason? I believe it has to do with different socio-economic structures, SOE-POE-IUR in China, and Keiretsu/Chaebol in JP/SK.

Will there be more large Chinese corps in coming years? Yes, more M&A's are happening, both domestically and outbound/international. Example, smaller areo-engine firms are merged to form the 96,000-staff Aero Engine Corporation of China (AECC).

https://defence.pk/threads/china-launches-state-owned-aircraft-engine-maker.446385/

 

[TaiShang]

Yes you are correct, R&D is indeed highly concentrated with large corporations in JP/SK, while in China it's more dispersed across from state R&D institutes, large corps, SME's, startups to even individuals. Reason? I believe it has to do with different socio-economic structures, SOE-POE-IUR in China, and Keiretsu/Chaebol in JP/SK.

Trend is that more M&A's (both domestic and international) are happening among Chinese firms to form bigger corporations. Example: smaller firms are merged to form the 96,000-staff Aero Engine Corporation of China (AECC).

https://defence.pk/threads/china-launches-state-owned-aircraft-engine-maker.446385/

Do you think Mainland industrial make up (SME dominated along with international champions) resembles to that of Taiwan province (more or less) which became technology-oriented economy earlier than Mainland China?

 

[Shotgunner51]

Do you think Mainland industrial make up (SME dominated along with international champions) resembles to that of Taiwan province (more or less) which became technology-oriented economy earlier than Mainland China?

Mainland is too large to simplify. Yes I see similarity in development pattern between Guangdong and Taiwan, tech-oriented economy driven by POE. Maybe Zhejiang and Fujian also.

In other provinces, tech economy is mostly driven by IUR and SOE, both are characteristics of Mainland socio-economic system. Take Shanghai as an example, tech leaders here are mostly state-led, e.g. SGCC (State Grid of China), Baogang Steel, SMIC, COMAC, Waigaoqiao (JN Shipyard), ZPMC, Jiaotong University (and associated IUR tech complex).

 

[TaiShang]

Mainland is too large to simplify. Yes I see similarity in development pattern between Guangdong and Taiwan, tech-oriented economy driven by POE. Maybe Zhejiang and Fujian also.

In other provinces, tech economy is mostly driven by IUR and SOE, both are characteristics of Mainland socio-economic system. Take Shanghai as an example, tech leaders here are mostly state-led, e.g. SGCC (State Grid of China), Baogang Steel, SMIC, COMAC, Waigaoqiao (JN Shipyard), Jiaotong University.

Thank you. Interestingly, China (Mainland, Taiwan) did not go to the Chaebol/Keiretsu direction that SK and Japan did.

I tend to value SMEs in a given economy although multinationals are also needed. In rough IR terms, perhaps, on is for building up national power base and the other is for power projection.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Thank you. Interestingly, China (Mainland, Taiwan) did not go to the Chaebol/Keiretsu direction that SK and Japan did.

I tend to value SMEs in a given economy although multinationals are also needed. In rough IR terms, perhaps, on is for building up national power base and the other is for power projection.

You were right bro, Keiretsu is centuries old "culture" and unique to Japan only, and that has strong influence on Chaebol in SK. For whatever reasons (let's not derail this thread) Taiwan didn't follow suite, and we all know this can't happen in Mainland.

On topic, I agree, compared to large corps, SME are energetic and flexible, they definitely have a competitive role in tech economy. By putting R&D, production, distribution, applications and post-sales services all under one roof, large corps have their advantages in efficiency. A balance will be nice.

 

[TaiShang]

See< whatever you believe is not myconcer. Since you guys will never be there in any center of excellence in science and technology in huge numbers like Indians, what you think does not mater.

But it appears that Indians do not compose 1/3 of workers in NASA. This is not believing or not; one can't simply argue against numbers.

Besides, what does it mean for the Indians in India? Recently, your per capita GDP has fallen below that of Vietnam (Vietnam surpassed yours, to be exact); maybe the best and brightest Indians leaving the country has something to do with this.

In any case, I will never take pride in the inflated number of my (brightest) compatriots working for the interests of another country.

I understand going there and studying in the best possible way, but, eventually, people must come back.

Butt hurting from Indian is exclusive right of chinese.

Frankly, India is very insignificant -- to the level of apathy.

By the way, are you again being sneakily smart by playing with proper noun-common noun capitalization?

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Because we started Late. We have TCS and Infosys level 5 companies as respected as anything anywhere. The company you stated has More Indian employees than their local employees. This proves what I had stated in previous post. By the way are you from which country? And why are you so much Butt hurt? Butt hurting from Indian is exclusive right of chinese.

See, an Indian who runs out of argument and resorting to racist argument. Why does it matter where I'm from? I'm German living in Germany. Are my arguments now more valid than dark skinned forumers?

Anyway, you have nothing but sorry excuses why you big mouthed Indians don't have one respectable IT company.

In terms of development, most East Asian countries are late comers and yet they have caught up with us in practically all domains.

 

[Taygibay]

I'm sorry for being late but I'd like to point out something
Shotgunner51 hinted at in the beginning.

If China is but on par with other leading nations for patents,
the lone use of these in its internal market will equate into
immense accrued riches.
By just controlling its intellectual property internally, what will
remain the world's largest market for the foreseeable future is
certain to reap top earnings as its population's income grows.

It's sort of a given really, Tay.

 

[TaiShang]

As I said , We dominate the centers of excellence everywhere and you guys are nowhere in picture.

But at least in the case of NASA, it has been factually proven that Indians do not compose 1/3 of the workforce. Although the data put together all under 'Asian," I suspect Indians dominate in that segment that much. Even Indian composed the entire Asian segment, that still fails to reach 1/3 of 100% workforce.

If you bring in hard credible data on this issue, I would have no objection. But so far you provided no hard data and the data provided by @Götterdämmerung falsified your argument regarding NASA.

Data is all I care about. Not hearsay.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Hey, where did I run out of argument?. I posted each of my post with proper arguments backed with Examples. It is you who twisted the argument by shifting to ownership from employment.
I do not mind who are you and where do you live. You may have the discrimination of white skin and dark skin . we do not have. I asked you a question because German or any European generally do not argue stupidly as you did.
And we do not have any respectable IT company? I think you must be a stupid person peculiar to a nationality. Germans are not as naive and stupid as you are. You are such a fake German who do not know that their own company has a development center in India and majority of new development work is done there. You can change the flag to hide your Identity but when you write here anything, you expose yourself and your flag can not hide you.

Blablabla … another delusional Indian who claims to know all Germans by saying that I'm not like ALL the other Germans he seems to have made contact with. LOL

If you don't care for race and ethnicity, why even ask? Did I question your ethnicity? No? Well, your delusional arguments were a giveaway, anyway.

How many of your "respectable" IT companies are in the Fortune 100? None?

How about top 100 of any sector? None?

But at least in the case of NASA, it has been factually proven that Indians do not compose 1/3 of the workforce. Although the data put together all under 'Asian," I suspect Indians dominate in that segment that much. Even Indian composed the entire Asian segment, that still fails to reach 1/3 of 100% workforce.

If you bring in hard credible data on this issue, I would have no objection. But so far you provided no hard data and the data provided by @Götterdämmerung falsified your argument regarding NASA.

Data is all I care about. Not hearsay.

Even the "Indians" are only by ethnic as NASA is not allowed to employ foreign nationals. In other words, they are Americans of Indian origin.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

He's absolutely right. Germans in general don't speak very well English.

This post is very un-informed.

English itself, along with Dutch- are West Germanic languages. Like what the German poster said above, German speakers could easily pickup advanced English very fast if they wanted to. In fact, they are already speaking a sibling language of English themselves. There are simply TOO many similar words between German and English- just with different spelling and slight variations in pronouncation.


E.g:

House = Huis(pronounced as 'house'- just like in English, but differnt spelling. Same meaning to refer to a accomodation/shelter)
Is = Ist(same meaning)
Good = Gut(pronoucned at 'good' jsut like in english.same meaning to refer to something positive
Bunker = Bunker(pronoucned as 'Boonker' in German)
God = Gott ( again, almost same pronunciation- jsut different spelling and a heavier emphasis on the 'o' sound)
Hair = Haar (same meaning)

West Germanic languages
West Germanic
Linguistic classification: Indo-European Germanic West Germanic
Subdivisions: Anglo-Frisian (English) Low German (Ingvaeonic) Low Franconian (Dutch) High German (German)
ISO 639-5: gmw
Linguasphere: 52-AB & 52-AC

"Even today, 80 of the 100 most common words in English are Germanic in origin. These most basic, most frequently spoken words in English and German are fromthe same roots, making them all extremely similar. Give or take a few spelling and pronunciation differences, they're practically the same."

 

[Götterdämmerung]

This post is very un-informed.

English itself, along with Dutch- are West Germanic languages. Like what the German poster said above, German speakers could easily pickup advanced English very fast if they wanted to. In fact, they are already speaking a sibling language of English themselves. There are simply TOO many similar words between German and English- just with different spelling and slight variations in pronouncation.


E.g:

House = Huis(pronounced as 'house'- just like in English, but differnt spelling. Same meaning to refer to a accomodation/shelter)
Is = Ist(same meaning)
Good = Gut(pronoucned at 'good' jsut like in english.same meaning to refer to something positive
Bunker = Bunker(pronoucned as 'Boonker' in German)
God = Gott ( again, almost same pronunciation- jsut different spelling and a heavier emphasis on the 'o' sound)
Hair = Haar (same meaning)

West Germanic languages
West Germanic
Linguistic classification: Indo-European Germanic West Germanic
Subdivisions: Anglo-Frisian (English) Low German (Ingvaeonic) Low Franconian (Dutch) High German (German)
ISO 639-5: gmw
Linguasphere: 52-AB & 52-AC

"Even today, 80 of the 100 most common words in English are Germanic in origin. These most basic, most frequently spoken words in English and German are fromthe same roots, making them all extremely similar. Give or take a few spelling and pronunciation differences, they're practically the same."

Apart of one mistake, house – Haus (same pronunciation), you are indeed right.

If you speak norther plattdeutsch, it's even more evident that English and German are highly related.

English – Northern Plattdeutsch – Deutsch
House – Huus – Haus
Way – Wai – Weg
Path – Paad – Pfad
Bone – Been – Bein (old) Knochen (new)
After – Achter – After/ Achter
Brain – Bregen – Hirn
Church – Kerk – Kirche
Desk – Disch – Tisch

The meanings are sometimes slightly different, e.g. achter has the same root as after, but in German it means behind (achter de kerk – behind the church) , which also makes sense. The same spelling as English, after means anus. LOL

 

[AndrewJin]

Since when speaking English is something to be proud of?
It's a shame some country has to use English to unite a country......
People in east Asian countries and many european countries use their own language to study science and make technological breakthroughs.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

This post is very un-informed.

English itself, along with Dutch- are West Germanic languages. Like what the German poster said above, German speakers could easily pickup advanced English very fast if they wanted to. In fact, they are already speaking a sibling language of English themselves. There are simply TOO many similar words between German and English- just with different spelling and slight variations in pronouncation.

You do realize that Germans use Standard German/Hochdeutsch to communicate with each other? Otherwise they couldn't understand their fellow countryman. Germans along with Austrians are linguistically less competent than Germanic nations from Northern Europe and the Dutch people. Germans don't even understand Dutch.