World Ahamadi Muslim leader condemns recent terror attacks in Calgary visit

[Jade]

Well they cant be Muslims if they dont believe in the basic tenants of Islam. Period

Say that to an Ahamdi Muslim in India, he could proceed you in a court of law and you could be jailed.

Anyway, the topic is something else, let us not digress.

 

[Peregrine]

There are indeed Jewish Muslims - people simultaneously accepted as Jews by Jews and as Muslims by Muslims. Stretch your mind some, people!

OKAY! Whatever floats your boat.......lol..I wonder if those "accepting" muslims are Muslims themselves

 

[Safriz]

There are indeed Jewish Muslims - people simultaneously accepted as Jews by Jews and as Muslims by Muslims. Stretch your mind some, people!

A Jew by birth is Jew....That's the rule of orthodox Judaism.
They don't accept convets..news to me that they accept confused people..

 

[Jade]

yup...
also in these countries churches marry gay couples...although there is no place of gay in Christianity...so yeah I am not surprised if to them Ahmadi is Muslim.
Thankfully in Pakistan they are legally defined as non Muslims.

As I said before a Ahamadi is Muslim or non Muslim, it depends on where you are.

 

[Solomon2]

A Jew by birth is Jew....That's the rule of orthodox Judaism.

Correct.

They don't accept convets..

Incorrect. It's just a long (years) and involved process, that's all, as the proselyte is educated and exposed to Judaism and "the tribe" so he or she can make an informed choice.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Correct.

Incorrect. It's just a long (years) and involved process, that's all, as the proselyte is educated and exposed to Judaism and "the tribe" so he or she can make an informed choice.

@Solomon2, maybe you can answer my query.

I knew a Jewish lady in Pakistan who converted to Islam and married a Pakistani Muslim .

Would consider her Jewish ? Or under Judiac Law, she is expelled from Judaism ?

Also, she has a Son who considers himself Muslim.

Would consider him Jewish under Jewish Law ( Since in Judaism you are jew if your mother is Jewish _ Correct ?)

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Yes its like saying Jewish Muslims or Hindu Muslims.

or like Jews for Jesus?

 

[Solomon2]

@Solomon2, maybe you can answer my query.

I knew a Jewish lady in Pakistan who converted to Islam and married a Pakistani Muslim .

Would consider her Jewish ? Or under Judiac Law, she is expelled from Judaism ?

I'm not sure. The "Muslim Jews" I'm thinking of are kids of Jewish women who married Muslim men without converting to Islam. Her kids are considered Jews by Jews and (feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong) Muslims by Muslims.

Very interesting to have met a Pakistani Jew - even a former Pakistani Jew. Rare and exotic, yes?

 

[sur]

Q:4:59:And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.




Ahmadis are mis-guided, on the wrong, BUT still Muslim. Just like shia, Brailvi, Deobandi, Wahabi, Ahl-e-Sunnat etc are muslims. In fact Ahmadis are better practicing Muslims than any other group I personally encountered, with only one thing that they are doing wrong i.e. believing in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as Mahdi-Maseeh.




But Shias also believe in 12th imam as Mahdi as well as 12 imams receiving divine revelation.!!! Not different from what Ahmadis are doing...!!! Shias just don't use the term "Prophet" besides that practically they are attributing everything to 12 imams what Ahmadis attribute to just one guy Mirza... Shias also attribute miracles to Imams... Another feature of Prophet-hood attributed to guys after Prophet...!!! What do we do about that??? Many Brailvis are not much different either in that they attribute special-revelation(not just dreams) & miracles to MANY saints , lets declare them non-Muslim too...!!! At the end we'd be left with very few Muslims, if any...





Bahais also believe in Bahaullah, have we declared Bahais as non-Muslim in constitution???

Shia believe in divine revelation coming to their 12 Imams... Would you declare them non-Muslims bcoz claim of receiving revelation is akin to Prophet-hood??? Also Prophet said there won't be any divine revelation after him.! Shia also believe Ali split moon, even thou it is miracle attributed to Prophet Muhammad...!!!





"Some of" Brailvis intercede with saints in graves & address them as if they can hear, even thou Quran says "You cannot make them hear who are in graves", other verse says "You cannot make dead hear". Would you declare them non-Muslim for blatantly going against Quran???





People who declare Ahmadis as non-muslim have NO study of Quran & Hadees. They are just emotional folks following mullahs blindly. IF IF IF it is so necessary to declare any sect as non-Muslim, there are other sects among Muslims who should have been priority to be declared a non-Muslim, before we get to Ahmadis. Like those who worship graves\saints, since it is insult to ALLAH Almighty,the Most High, Worthy of worship & praises.





Won't you declare those as non-Muslims who insult God Almighty??? Quran says Allah will forgive ANY sin BUT Shirk... So Shirk is THE BIGGEST bad any Muslims can do, lets declare grave worshippers as non-Muslims before anyone else...

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Definition of a "Muslim" is clearly given by Prophet himself. No one has authority to alter that definition... Anyone who changes that definition must be called non-Muslim before anyone else.

It was a purely political decision by drunkard-Bhuttoo...

1>http://www.defence.pk/forums/senior...-endorsing-purana-pakistan-2.html#post4261614
2>http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...imran-khan-s-naya-pakistan-3.html#post4237129
3>http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...imran-khan-s-naya-pakistan-6.html#post4237954
4>http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...imran-khan-s-naya-pakistan-8.html#post4238100

Sounds like a big problem. How can you know if you are doing what you are supposed to as a Muslim or, due to misinterpretation, something wildly different - mockery so great that Muhammed himself would say that you are not a Muslim?

Didn't get ur question...!!! Whom did Prophet Muhammad say is not a muslim???

How do we know? We get to the source & ask each other to bring the proof. Order of priority would be Quran>>Hadees>>Scholarly opinion. If sth is established by Quran & Hadees then no need to resort to conflicting scholarly opinion...

Q:4:59:And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.

I presented my evidence in posts quoted above. I'm yet to see any evidence superior to those to prove the claim that Ahmadis are non-Muslims...

Ahmaddiyas are not Muslims.

A Muslim is one who believes Shahada:

لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله (lā ʾilāha ʾillā l-Lāh, Muḥammadur rasūlu l-Lāh)

There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God.

Shahada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the Ahmadiyyas fail the basic Islamic test, only retards think they are Muslims.

They do believe in Shahada you wrote... So you are a retard I guess, if you call them non-muslims...

@sur keyword AKIN not equating or PROCLAIMING prophet-hood!

If I start calling a long yellow thing that has a peel on which ppl slip as an "Apple", it won't change the fact that thing is a "Banana". Shia might not use "the word Prophet" but assign same attributes as Ahmadis assign to Mirza, in fact Shia attribute MORE to imams than what Mirza gets from Ahmadis... When attributes of prophethood are assigned to Imams\Saints doesn't matter whether "proclamation" is there or NOT. Functionally they consider them at par with Prophet-hood... Key word is "functionally"\"practically"...


Shia have assigned prophetic-attributes to 12 people that Ahmadis assign to just one guy... Do the Maths.

sur keep shia out of this for a min... does that not go against KHATTUM UL NABI?

Read & ponder before you post. Answer to ur cluelessness is already in my original posts - see the links & read them thoroughly. & WHY leave Shia out, Shia are mentioned as part of argument, same argument which ppl use to declare Ahmadis as non-Muslim. So mentioning Shia is totally relevant.


Prophet Muhammad said "revelation will end after me",,, Shia believe 12 imams receive revelation, does that not go against "KHATTUM UL NABI?"

Bahai HAVE NEVER proclaimed themselves as Muslims

Ohh goooood. That being taken care of now lets declare Shia & Brailvi & all sects as non-Muslims since they are disobeying Quranic declarations openly. Like quran says don't split in sects. So ALL sects are non-Muslim by NOT following this order from ALLAH Almighty.

 

[Solomon2]

Also Prophet said there won't be any divine revelation after him.!

Sounds like a big problem. How can you know if you are doing what you are supposed to as a Muslim or, due to misinterpretation, something wildly different - mockery so great that Muhammed himself would say that you are not a Muslim?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

There are indeed Jewish Muslims - people simultaneously accepted as Jews by Jews and as Muslims by Muslims. Stretch your mind some, people!

Can i be an American if I live in Antarctica? the answer is NO! Can I be an American if i illegally live in America and even after I am given the chance to gain permanent residency I declare false information to US immigration? The answer is NO! Same with Islam! It has its own rules to fallow and those who dont are DEPORTED out of the religion!

 

[sanddy]

Ahamadi Muslim have always been peace loving people even though they were persecuted , they never took the path of violence . .

 

[priti]

ahmadis are a sect like the sunnis and shias.slightly different views with each other.
but pakistani muslims are intolerant. they keep on deleting the least resistant until virulent islam will stay on .

 

[gambit]

Can i be an American if I live in Antarctica? the answer is NO! Can I be an American if i illegally live in America and even after I am given the chance to gain permanent residency I declare false information to US immigration? The answer is NO! Same with Islam! It has its own rules to fallow and those who dont are DEPORTED out of the religion!

It is not where you live, it is your citizenship. If you are a US citizen, you can live on the Moon and still be an American.

 

[Banana]

Say that to an Ahamdi Muslim in India, he could proceed you in a court of law and you could be jailed.

Anyway, the topic is something else, let us not digress.

Ahmaddiyas are not Muslims.

A Muslim is one who believes Shahada:

لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله (lā ʾilāha ʾillā l-Lāh, Muḥammadur rasūlu l-Lāh)

There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God.

Shahada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the Ahmadiyyas fail the basic Islamic test, only retards think they are Muslims.