Work on TAPI pipeline begins in Pakistan

[Max]

Pathetic, always opposed this project.. Why not IP? Iranian are inviting us to talk on rates, we are fucking around with this useless piece of shit which passes through Afghanistan.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Pathetic, always opposed this project.. Why not IP? Iranian are inviting us to talk on rates, we are fucking around with this useless piece of shit which passes through Pakistan.

That is a perfect project for you. India will become more dependent on you since you will control the energy corridor to them, you will get gas from Turkmenistan which declared neutrality in UN, which doesn't plays with Terrorists like Iran does with Hezbollah, and Turkmenistan has no desire to get into it's neighbor's interrior businesses.

Iran may be bombed during Trump era, Turkmenistan is the stable energy source which secures Pakistan's energy safety.

 

[Mustang06]

Economic integration is the way forward as many members have said! This would build confidence between neighbours be it India - Pakistan or Pakistan- Afghanistan!

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Too late. India has found a way bypassing Pakistan and committed to investment. TAPI can be a TAP with Afghanistan in the middle.

https://www.trackpersia.com/iran-oman-india-pipeline-project-set-laying/

dude you should remember you can not pass this pipeline through our EEZ because of our environmental concerns which are btw safeguarded by UNCLOS. That said you will need a longer path for such an ambitious project as our EEZ stretches up to Yemen now and as per your source 1400km is around the same length of your original design(1300km) so i am not sure how that clears our concern. Secondly you need to wait for it till the tech evolves as currently most of the these projects are along shores in amiable deep sea terrain, here you are cutting through the ocean(first of its kind).
Also i dont know how Indian strategists plan to save such a lifeline in an event they stop Pakistan's SLOC.
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[Max]

That is a perfect project for you. India will become more dependent on you since you will control the energy corridor to them,

and another switch will be in hand of Afghans so they can blackmail us? its failed project and imposed on us by enemies of Pakistan.. i would love to see Pakistan using Turkmenistan's gas but from neutral route which dont involve Afghanistan.. bharat is not a problem.

you will get gas from Turkmenistan which declared neutrality in UN, which doesn't plays with Terrorists like Iran does with Hezbollah, and Turkmenistan has no desire to get into it's neighbor's interrior businesses.

well this is international concern, if bharat, China and other regional countries including your NATO member Turkey are doing business with them why Pakistan should hesitate?

Iran may be bombed during Trump era, Turkmenistan is the stable energy source which secures Pakistan's energy safety.

speculations, far from reality, why Turkey is buying gas from Iranian's? Pakistan should try to get favorable rates from sanctioned Iran, meanwhile should work with Turkmenistan to change the route of pipeline..

Economic integration is the way forward as many members have said! This would build confidence between neighbours be it India - Pakistan or Pakistan- Afghanistan!

Why dont IPI? why TAPI?

 

[OguzSenturk]

speculations, far from reality, why Turkey is buying gas from Iranian's?

well this is international concern, if bharat, China and other regional countries including your NATO member Turkey are doing business with them why Pakistan should hesitate?

And we are paying huge price for our stupidity. Iran cuts off our Natural Gas every winter, and we face with electricity shortage. The agreement between Turkey-Iran is about 10bcm a year, which is used to generate electricity. They consciously cut off the gas in winters to push the Turks into coldness and darkness, even if it is a violation of the agreement. Do you want the same thing? Go for it. We are trying to get rid of Iran gas dependence with KRG-Israeli-Azerbaijani gas.

and another switch will be in hand of Afghans so they can blackmail us?

Afghan is one of the smallests powers in earth, they cant even control their own territory. And you are scaring from them? Rly.

 

[Max]

Afghan is one of the smallests powers in earth, they cant even control their own territory. And you are scaring from them? Rly.

a switch of Pakistan's energy needs in hand of sellout warlords will always be scary for Pakistan's stability.. its not about Pakistan's or afghanistan's power? Afghanistan is largest proxy hub of the world which was only replace by syria for few years, now its back on track again..

And we are paying huge price for our stupidity. Iran cuts off our Natural Gas every winter, and we face with electricity shortage. The agreement between Turkey-Iran is about 10bcm a year, which is used to generate electricity. They consciously cut that gas in winter to push the Turks in coldness and darkness, even if it is a violation of the agreement. Do you want the same think? Go for it. We are trying to get rid of Iran gas dependence with KRG-Israeli-Azerbaijani gas.

and who should be blamed here? Turkey or Iran? why didnt you go with adequate service level agreements? why didnt you include penalties in case of violations? its your fault as well.

 

[OguzSenturk]

why didnt you go with adequate service level agreements? why didnt you include penalties in case of violations?

Who said we didn't? We did, and Iran faced with $1.9billion penalty from international courts. Well, they don't pay it, meanwhile Iran gas is the one of the most expensive gas in the region lmao.

its your fault as well.

What?

a switch of Pakistan's energy needs in hand of sellout warlords will always be scary for Pakistan's stability.. its not about Pakistan's or afghanistan's power? Afghanistan is largest proxy hub of the world..

You don't need to worry about that, India will not let that gas to be cutted off by Afghanistan since they are also a costumer, which comes after Pakistan.

 

[Max]

You don't need to worry about that, India will not let that gas to be cutted off by Afghanistan since they are also a costumer, which comes after Pakistan.

i will prefer to die rather then depending on these two snakes for even a packet of milk let alone energy.. Turkeman should change route and help Pakistan to conect this pipeline..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia–China_gas_pipeline

Who said we didn't? We did, and Iran faced with $1.9billion penalty from international courts. Well, they don't pay it, meanwhile Iran gas is the one of the most expensive gas in the region lmao.

if you have then why blame,and can you provide source that they are not paying back 1.9 billion?

well we have Qatari deal and Turkeman deal, we should sign deal if prices are comparatives.. this should be basic point.

 

[neem456]

If tap is closed from Afghanistan..both India and Pak dont get gas...sort of like suicide for India..

Obviously.
If our tap is closed in pakistan, do you think we would bother to keep it open in afghanistan.
Hence its onus of all parties to keep it safe and running.

That is a perfect project for you. India will become more dependent on you since you will control the energy corridor to them, you will get gas from Turkmenistan which declared neutrality in UN, which doesn't plays with Terrorists like Iran does with Hezbollah, and Turkmenistan has no desire to get into it's neighbor's interrior businesses.

Iran may be bombed during Trump era, Turkmenistan is the stable energy source which secures Pakistan's energy safety.

It would be foolish of you to think that india will only be dependent on tapi for its gas needs. We will keep current routes, as well as simultaneously perceive other methods as well like iran-oman-india pipeline.
If you think pakistan can control it from pakistan, let me tell you india can control it from afghanistan.
So anyone even thinking of sitting on high horse should think rationally, come down and talk rationally.
Its in the benefit of all parties to keep this pipe running smooth and sound.

 

[ssethii]

India can never bypass Pakistan it's a geographical fact be it land or sea, from middle east or central Asian republics. Energy security is a strategic challenge in the wake of scarce resources available to mankind, most if not all are already been tapped/exhausted by industrial giants in the previous century. The Indian problem has grown manifold due to very limited conventional resource discoveries in the country. The growth rate only adds up to the complexity. We can see the growing dependence on renewable resources in their energy mix but that brings the question of cost and sustainability which is a long debate but for now the bottom line is that it's not in their favor to simply hush away any possibility of viable energy supply chain.

 

[OguzSenturk]

and can you provide source that they are not paying back 1.9 billion?

http://www.yeniakit.com.tr/haber/turkiye-ile-iran-arasinda-2-milyarlik-kriz-249537.html

In Turkish. We will not pay natural gas payment which will worth as $1.9billion, since they didn't pay this penalty to Turkey. So Turkish Government will "get" that money by not paying Iran's gas. About gas prices;

http://haberrus.com/economics/2015/04/07/azerbaycan-290-rusyaya-377-iran-431-dolar.html

we pay 290$ to Azerbaijan, 377$ to Russia, 431$ to Iran for per thousand m3 gas.

 

[Arsalan]

It represents a reckless risk to source oil through a volatile and openly hostile nation like pakistan. No thanks we aren't going to accept that risk.

Strange that your clueless leaders ask for a trade route via this same volatile and openly hostile country
They should have know better
or
should you?
But no, you wont. After all you too are part of a online forum of that volatile and openly hostile country! Ironic!! isn't it?

 

[Max]

http://www.yeniakit.com.tr/haber/turkiye-ile-iran-arasinda-2-milyarlik-kriz-249537.html

In Turkish. We will not pay natural gas payment which will worth as $1.9billion, since they didn't pay this penalty to Turkey. So Turkish Government will "get" that money by not paying Iran's gas. About gas prices;

so problem is solved, who said they are not paying back? they are paying with extra gas.. and as i said before if you are buying at high price its your fault not Iranian, Pakistan should sign deal with Iran if they are competitive against TAPI and other regional pipelines.. if they are not we should never sign a deal with them as we dont owe them anything. i am not against TAPI.. i am against its route. its should come from China instead of Afghanistan.

Turkeman can have biletral gas pipeline with Afghanistan....

 

[Mustang06]

and another switch will be in hand of Afghans so they can blackmail us? its failed project and imposed on us by enemies of Pakistan.. i would love to see Pakistan using Turkmenistan's gas but from neutral route which dont involve Afghanistan.. bharat is not a problem.



well this is international concern, if bharat, China and other regional countries including your NATO member Turkey are doing business with them why Pakistan should hesitate?



speculations, far from reality, why Turkey is buying gas from Iranian's? Pakistan should try to get favorable rates from sanctioned Iran, meanwhile should work with Turkmenistan to change the route of pipeline..



Why dont IPI? why TAPI?

I am not in favour of one particular pipeline. Any cooperation that reduces tension in this region should be welcomed!