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[M. Sarmad]

@Areesh is a patriotic Pakistani ... He is a sensible poster.. You guys are being mean to him

He knows how to handle Indian trolls ... He goes overboard sometimes though, but it's quite understandable ..

Without posters like him , @lastofthepatriots, @Pakistaniforever the Indian trolls would have a free run here.

This forum needs these members more than many of those privileged good-for-nothing members here I don't want to name.

 

[MilSpec]

While I have been away I noticed some contentious issue that developed recently on the forum due to a member who at least in my opinion was very valuable and knowledge but then posted a VERY objectionable post which led to a lot of backlash with all sorts of fiery angst.

But this is not exactly about that.
More so, this is about how far does one take the words and emotions online into the effectiveness of our daily lives, whether disagreement is worth keyboard smashing when it comes to contentious issues and whether it makes sense for people to people dialogue between such opposing sides of Pakistan and India, Indian Hindus and Pakistani Muslims, Arabs and Iranians, political opponents such as PTI supporters and Noon Leagers or religious opponents like Droid users and Apple loyalists.

So lets really look at it from a perspective of the positives and negatives of the most key engagement here.. Indians and Pakistanis.

What are really the advantages of having Indian members on this forum that is based around the military and safety of Pakistan, allowing them membership and then debating issues with them?
What are the disadvantages (leaving aside trolls)?.. more propogation of hatred?

Not just advantages or disadvantages to Pakistanis and their future ideals and thoughts but also to Indians too. There is a human element to both and it needs to be looked at.

Perhaps if a vote or majority direction is taken then a petition can be made to push whatever proposal it is. Be it a change in attitudes of both engaging parties or maybe a complete cessation of Indian membership to this forum; leaving all actual discussion to hopefully less “defense” inclined platforms?? Would it make sense to have a platform dedicated to such engagements with a less “hostile” look?

Anything goes but my hope is to see what leads to the advantage of all members and then to the platforms focus and quality.
Im keeping the mods out of this to let this be an honest roll call of whether it is worth to engage what is essentially an enemy state(for both sides) on a platform essentially focusing on the capability to kill the other.

@Moonlight @araz @Indus Pakistan @django @CriticalThought @Rafi @Tps43 @Joe Shearer @Nilgiri @Thorough Pro @HRK

And please Tag away.

Quite amusing,

I had warned long before when the forum took a conscience decision to encourage rabid trolls here and turn this into a hateful structure. Now that each and every other thread is a free for all crap slinging fest, you are trying to assign root cause for the situation. Did you not know this would happen if the the forum intentionally took a position rather than being a platform? The members who insinuated all this with austerlitz, three years ago would have been shown the door a long time ago. Members who were issued perm bans couple of years ago are again back here, members with 50 -ve reps are still here; obvious falseflags ran amok here with the connivance of the management; Have you not seen a known TTC's conduct over the years here of troll baiting 24 /7 with thread filled with racial slurs? where was such scrutiny back then. Finally when one member responded in kind knowing the consequences; he just did not lose his temper, he lost patience with this management knowing the incompetence of the administration here, he responded the way he did because you (the moderating team, admin and staff) failed him.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Quite amusing,

I had warned long before when the forum took a conscience decision to encourage rabid trolls here and turn this into a hateful structure. Now that each and every other thread is a free for all crap slinging fest, you are trying to assign root cause for the situation. Did you not know this would happen if the the forum intentionally took a position rather than being a platform? The members who insinuated all this with austerlitz, three years ago would have been shown the door a long time ago. Members who were issued perm bans couple of years ago are again back here, members with 50 -ve reps are still here; obvious falseflags ran amok here with the connivance of the management; Have you not seen a known TTC's conduct over the years here of troll baiting 24 /7 with thread filled with racial slurs? where was such scrutiny back then. Finally when one member responded in kind knowing the consequences; he just did not lose his temper, he lost patience with this management knowing the incompetence of the administration here, he responded the way he did because you (the moderating team, admin and staff) failed him.

For the first time in over five years
I fully agree with what you are saying.

I got into a discussion/argument with @AUSTERLITZ only once (back in 2014) ... The guy knew his history.

But the way he tried to insult Islam and Muslims ... There is no justification for it whatsoever

 

[padamchen]

Thank you very, very much. While one part of me is amused at the wasted effort, the other part is deeply touched at what appears, beneath the persiflage, a genuine concern, as it were, for the brand that might be saved from the burning.

More later.

Oh,I already eat beef, but in the form of steak; I don't much care for biryani. It appears, however, that there might soon be an influence in my life that frowns on beef-eating, and I may be deprived of this minor pleasure. This baneful influence, as it happens, deeply disapproves of sausages, ham and bacon as well, so it looks like a bleak end ahead.

Personally I'd try and find a new influence while you still can.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Nilgiri]

Personally I'd try and find a new influence while you still can.

Cheers, Doc

I agree, such influences shouldn't compromise what makes you ..."you". Though I can't talk for Joe...there are exceptions to the rule sometimes.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Human seek perfection in a Human creation...

Good luck...

 

[padamchen]

I agree, such influences shouldn't compromise what makes you ..."you". Though I can't talk for Joe...there are exceptions to the rule sometimes.

I'm.married to a vegetarian Parsi who only ate prawns personally cleaned by her mom and not the cook. Over the years she's gone totally vegetarian.

I was pointing out to an Iranian how his forefathers used to look for a bride in the dead of night with a lantern or oil lamp or a flame torch.

Mine must have been set on green.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Nilgiri]

I'm.married to a vegetarian Parsi who only ate prawns personally cleaned by her mom and not the cook. Over the years she's gone totally vegetarian.

I was pointing out to an Iranian how his forefathers used to look for a bride in the dead of night with a lantern or oil lamp or a flame torch.

Mine must have been set on green.

Cheers, Doc

How common is vegetarianism among the Parsis would you say? Parsis I have had pleasure of knowing always have been some kind of omnivore generally.

 

[padamchen]

How common is vegetarianism among the Parsis would you say? Parsis I have had pleasure of knowing always have been some kind of omnivore generally.

Parsis are carnivores.

She just got put off by meat when she was younger, and then the ones she liked (prawns, bacon) she started developing allergies to in college.

I've never seen a vegetarian Parsi.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Joe Shearer]

The problem with our society, we like to take the high ground. "Let them be, we are better." "Words are better then actions". All this soft talks has resulted in others taking advantage of us. Enough is enough, for every 1 good indian there are 10 bad indians. If the "1" can't teach the "10", then they are as much in the wrong as the rest.

I think you have overstayed your stay here. Why don't you leave, and hug a cactus you freak.

LOL.

Nobody can accuse you of possessing a sense of irony.

Your comment fits yourself in a well-tailored fashion, with one exception; you seem to have embraced your cactus already.

Majority of trolls are indians. Its not only Pakistanis complaining about indian presence online. Ever other nationality have said indians online can never hold a proper discussion. Try posting anything on Quora, and see if you can get a proper answer. If we don't act now, this forum will turn into that.

Named the unstable one's so that we can avoid them too.

I agree; my 'ignore' list is my ultimate weapon.

There are many of them u would know and u may know many
Some of them are newbies and some of them are title holders

To misquote the Iron Duke,"Publish and be damned."

Slow death is always better my man .
Kill them slowly so they can feel thr pain.

But that is so messy.

It does and it doesn't. It serves the purpose of forum members handing out positive ratings but only select few members can give negative ratings. Most important of all it doesn't allow or bar entry to a thread. A member with a ton of negative ratings(received from idiotic troll posts) can waltz in to a thread, where ppl with positive ratings(received for better non troll posts) are discussing something, and be obnoxious there.

The purpose of prestige points(or ratings in this case) isn't being served if a standard isn't being set in different sections of the forum based on that criteria. For example if a thread involves a sensitive subject like Kashmir and is more likely to attract trolls then the person creating the thread can set the prestige level at 2000(just picking an arbitrary number for this example). This means anyone below this prestige can only be a silent reader/observer. Only the members that meet this 2000 limit or exceed it can post their comments on that particular thread.

I totally agree...and yet we have sections like "senior's cafe" where a troll(with just a huge number of posts) can get access to it while non troll members may not be able to participate...just based on how many posts have been made. This again prioritizes quantity and doesn't take quality into account.

Rather it SHOULD be based on quality of posts and not quantity. This is exactly the purpose of proposed prestige points. Members can be given positive or negative prestige points on their posts by other members who come across it...based solely on the quality of the post. This would over time separate those ppl with quality posts from those whose posts are intended for flamebaiting. Then if a "senior's cafe" like section exists(based on prestige points judging quality of a member's posts and not quantity), it would end up segregating trolls to low prestige threads...thus keeping them out of high quality(high prestige threads).

I've been praying for this for years.

Imagine a Senior's Club where Seniors can blackball misbehaviour by an unqualified member, or a situation where Seniors can set up their own sections and set entry and exit criteria for participation.

Quite amusing,

I had warned long before when the forum took a conscience decision to encourage rabid trolls here and turn this into a hateful structure. Now that each and every other thread is a free for all crap slinging fest, you are trying to assign root cause for the situation. Did you not know this would happen if the the forum intentionally took a position rather than being a platform? The members who insinuated all this with austerlitz, three years ago would have been shown the door a long time ago. Members who were issued perm bans couple of yearregs ago are a
gain back here, members with 50 -ve reps are still here; obvious falseflags ran amok here with the connivance of the management; Have you not seen a known TTC's conduct over the years here of troll baiting 24 /7 with thread filled with racial slurs? where was such scrutiny back then. Finally when one member responded in kind knowing the consequences; he just did not lose his temper, he lost patience with this management knowing the incompetence of the administration here, he responded the way he did because you (the moderating team, admin and staff) failed him.

I agree with all but your last sentence.

Losing patience with the management does not license breaking some fundamental rules of self-respect. I lose patience with X, Y or Z and dance around naked and it is justified? No, I don't think so.

My regret was all the greater because I thought so highly of that member. This admiration was shattered by Itachi, who posted screenshots of exceptionally immature posts by AUSTERLITZ.

Apparently the iron had bitten deeply into his soul.

I agree, such influences shouldn't compromise what makes you ..."you". Though I can't talk for Joe...there are exceptions to the rule sometimes.

I don't think I will abandon my values. I may, however - my response is to you, alone - shut up and walk away, under a very great influence, where earlier I would have fought to the end.

@Areesh is a patriotic Pakistani ... He is a sensible poster.. You guys are being mean to him

He knows how to handle Indian trolls ... He goes overboard sometimes though, but it's quite understandable ..

Without posters like him , @lastofthepatriots, @Pakistaniforever the Indian trolls would have a free run here.

This forum needs these members more than many of those privileged good-for-nothing members here I don't want to name.

My apologies for this flat contradiction, but you cannot have both Lufra and a private wolf-pack.

 

[MilSpec]

I agree with all but your last sentence.

Losing patience with the management does not license breaking some fundamental rules of self-respect. I lose patience with X, Y or Z and dance around naked and it is justified? No, I don't think so.

How any cow piss, monkey work-shipping, stone worshiping slurs have attracted bans here? Knowing him quite well, I don't think it was directed towards the the trolls at all, he was responding to but to the forum to show what level it has fallen to. I can't relate to his position as i really don't care about any one's god (likely neither do you), but given it has become a free for all, especially for repeat offenders, this was his way of giving up. Don't agree with the format, but if the objective of thread is to understand root cause, you also need to look at the design failure mode of the current structure.

 

[Joe Shearer]

How any cow piss, monkey work-shipping, stone worshiping slurs have attracted bans here? Knowing him quite well, I don't think it was directed towards the the trolls at all, he was responding to but to the forum to show what level it has fallen to. I can't relate to his position as i really don't care about any one's god, but given it has become a free for all, especially for repeat offenders, this was his way of giving up. Don't agree with the format, but if the objective of thread is to understand root cause, you also need to look at the design failure mode of the current structure.

All true, but that is not the way. That was not the right issue.

What do I care about cow piss, monkey-worship and stone worshipping slurs? What do I care about the morons who choose them as substitutes for brain-driven responses?

 

[Maxpane]

First time in my stay at pdf I saw ur first post which isn't one liner.

sir i prefer listening than talking

 

[RealNapster]

I won't take names but some people whom I thought sane were mostly mentally emotionally unstable especially what I saw abt them in last couple of months , after microscopic analysis I concluded that not to take them serious and leave them at there own .

@Mentee @Hell hound @django @Signalian @Maarkhoor @Starlord @RealNapster @Dawood Ibrahim @SherDil @Retired Troll @PakSword @thesandman @Nilgiri @Joe Shearer @jamahir @Ziggurat “TepeSialk“

Amd the above is the list of those people

@Hell hound , @Starlord

 

[CriticalThought]

Doing takfeer on others won't get you Jannah, bro

It's for Allah alone to judge the Iman of people. It's for Allah alone to decide who is a true Muslim and who is not. He doesn't need nor has he asked us our opinions in matters related to him.

This Takfiri mindset poses greater threat to Islam and Pakistan than anything else.

I am not going to derail this thread because you are unable to comprehend what I am writing.