Women vs. Terror in Bangladesh and Kashmir

[BanglaBhoot]

To tell you frankly, I am not aware of what exactly she is planning to do with respect to removing Islam from the constitution.

Can you shed light on that and what exactly is the objection to that?

Also, those poll manifesto items would obviously not be the only agenda for the government.

The 1972 constitution had no mention of Islam but relied on democracy, social justice, nationalism and socialism. Islam was introduced into the constitution by President Ziaur Rahman who also included the words Bismillah-Ar-Rahman-Ar-Rahim. President Erasha similarly added a few more Islamic elements to the constitution. All of these changes received widespread support.

To change the constitution is not a small matter and is probably the most important thing to include in a manifesto. If the AL wanted to do this they should have spelled it out at the start. By playing this trick they will suffer a backlash.

 

[leonblack08]

The 1972 constitution had no mention of Islam but relied on democracy, social justice, nationalism and socialism. Islam was introduced into the constitution by President Ziaur Rahman who also included the words Bismillah-Ar-Rahman-Ar-Rahim. President Erasha similarly added a few more Islamic elements to the constitution. All of these changes received widespread support.

To change the constitution is not a small matter and is probably the most important thing to include in a manifesto. If the AL wanted to do this they should have spelled it out at the start. By playing this trick they will suffer a backlash.

Yes it would be wise for Hasina not to touch these sensitive issues rather concentrate on development of Bangladesh.
Poking these issues will only cause chaos,nothing more.

 

[Vinod2070]

The 1972 constitution had no mention of Islam but relied on democracy, social justice, nationalism and socialism. Islam was introduced into the constitution by President Ziaur Rahman who also included the words Bismillah-Ar-Rahman-Ar-Rahim. President Erasha similarly added a few more Islamic elements to the constitution. All of these changes received widespread support.

To change the constitution is not a small matter and is probably the most important thing to include in a manifesto. If the AL wanted to do this they should have spelled it out at the start. By playing this trick they will suffer a backlash.

I am not sure it is making much sense. I understand that they just started the constitution with Bismillah but did not make the country follow Shariat etc.

May be I am missing something but it looks semantics only rather than any serious stuff. What exactly is your leader trying to achieve here?

 

[TopCat]

Women were there for Inflation.. thats true.. But the 33% of young voter dejected the politicization of Islam and war crime issue.. THIS IS REALLY GOOD as young will be the next TURK...
Once BNP had the upper hand among young voters for ROCK and ROLL syndrome.. But seems like people are tired of dancing anymore..

 

[TopCat]

Yes it would be wise for Hasina not to touch these sensitive issues rather concentrate on development of Bangladesh.
Poking these issues will only cause chaos,nothing more.

There will be a constitutional review body. AL already made it clear, they will put all the fundemental issues for discussion and they will try to come to some term.. BUT CONSTITUTION WILL BE REVIEWED FOR SURE.
They should start working on it quick, before things get out of hand again...

And also dont be so scared.. Ziaur Rahman did not ask AL before changing that to whatever he wanted... NOTHING HAPPEND RIGHT?????

 

[TopCat]

In 1972 constitution it was Secularism. Ziaur Rahman changed that to Islamic Theism. Now Secularism is not an antomym of Theism rather it inclueds other religion as well. They can still keep the Islamic Theism in it and bring other religion as well as atheist within the constitutional recognition...

Whats funny and contradictory about Zia, he changed Bengali nationalism to Bangladeshi Nationalism to include those who are not Bengalis.. Again he categorically refuse to recognise who are not Muslim...
What a screwed up Brain..

 

[TopCat]

I am not sure it is making much sense. I understand that they just started the constitution with Bismillah but did not make the country follow Shariat etc.

May be I am missing something but it looks semantics only rather than any serious stuff. What exactly is your leader trying to achieve here?

Well people knows Islamic laws from Taliban. But thats not how it is... Islam is an open religion and 95% of the laws were left to the people or leaders of the people. Very few laws are Sin sensitive like adultary, marriage, inheritance etc... Other than that it was left to the people.
In early islamic age, laws were made according to contemporary social and economic reality and most of them had nothing to do with Islam. But die heart mullahs like to introduce them in modern time. They are illeterate and know very little about Islam.
Theoretically there is no Islamic party in Bangladesh anymore. All of them had to change their constitution and had to leave it to Parliament as the ultimate law making authority, even much talked Jamaat already changed their constitution.

Well come back to your origninal question.. What they tried to achieve?? They tried to achieve the sentiment of common people by bluffing them that they were the sole guard of Islam and AL is the one making them unislamic. Tell you the truth, they did succeed on that in a big way. You will even find people in this forum who think that those leaders are the one who could protect Islam from malign force, even though they were the champion of Stealing, mismanagement, bluffing, nepotism, and terrorism. You wont believe, how much govt money is plundered through tendering by their goons. You just need to go outside Dhaka and you will know... and forget about Siemens, who paid PM's son to get the work and now paid 1.2 billion in fines in US court..

 

[TopCat]

PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE BANGLADESH MAY THINK, THESE ARE VERY MINOR ISSUES. BUT IN FACT THEY ARE NOT FOR BANGLADESH. BANGLADESH CAME TO EXISTENCE BY REMOVING ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN TO PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF BANGLADESH. SO THIS IS THE QUESTION OF VALUES..

 

[TopCat]

What exactly is so great about the current constitution and so wrong with the 1972 constitution?

There were four principle in 1972 constitution. Democracy, Socialism, Nationalism, Secularism. It was changed to Democracy, Social Justice, Nationalism, Faith to Allah.

These are mainly symbolic but had a huge impact on how the subsequent laws should be made. But one thing I could tell you, once those are changed, people lost interest on those principles anymore. Even in high court nobody mention those changed principles.. They lost their values.. and I am sure no judge will take them in consideration...

 

[BanglaBhoot]

For the AL to meddle in the constitution will be political suicide. No one voted for the AL to do this. Bangladeshi nationalism is the appropriate term becuase it is inclusive. Sheikh Mujib created mess by emphasizing Bengali nationalism and this sparked the 2 decade CHT insurgency. Bengali nationalism is arrogant and exclusive.

 

[idune]

There were four principle in 1972 constitution. Democracy, Socialism, Nationalism, Secularism. It was changed to Democracy, Social Justice, Nationalism, Faith to Allah.

These are mainly symbolic but had a huge impact on how the subsequent laws should be made. But one thing I could tell you, once those are changed, people lost interest on those principles anymore. Even in high court nobody mention those changed principles.. They lost their values.. and I am sure no judge will take them in consideration...

With inclusion of faith to Allah, people from all faiths in Bangladesh enjoyed full and equal privilege for more than 35 years; much more than different faiths in our neighboring country can claim.

One may ask then why the urge for secularism? Well in a Muslim majority country with about 90% Muslims that is obviously NOT the demand or mandate given to Awami league. But main urge came from indian prescription and for some this is one way to get close to their real allegiance towards india. Then offcourse this secular agenda got much of its sail from anti Muslim crusade initiated by indian strategic partner US. Since 2001, these groups of people who overtly and covertly express their allegiance to india and work for its cause, got very powerful and well funded under direct patronage of india and US. There are several of these groups active in New York and European capitals.

Majority of Bangladesh population still in dark that their aspiration and social fabric of tolerance and multi faith they lived under for generations, are about to be hijacked. But well all know who are celebrating….

 

[idune]

Secularism aside, title of of the thread shows how desperate indians are to tie Bangladesh name to terror. Childish I may add.....

 

[Khuda Baksh]

Secularism aside, title of of the thread shows how desperate indians are to tie Bangladesh name to terror. Childish I may add.....

Nobody is saying that Bangladeshis are terrorists - but those who deny there is any terrorism problem are not being honest.

The interim government did a great job by hanging Bangla Bhai - definitely there are good Bangladeshis who are aware of the problem and are helping to tackle it.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Nobody is saying that Bangladeshis are terrorists - but those who deny there is any terrorism problem are not being honest.

The interim government did a great job by hanging Bangla Bhai - definitely there are good Bangladeshis who are aware of the problem and are helping to tackle it.

I just wish the Indians would stop supplying terrorists with explosives and arms. Most of the explosives used by the JMB and HuJi actually came from India.

 

[idune]

Nobody is saying that Bangladeshis are terrorists - but those who deny there is any terrorism problem are not being honest.

The interim government did a great job by hanging Bangla Bhai - definitely there are good Bangladeshis who are aware of the problem and are helping to tackle it.

Thats what title you created said. Dont bring your circular logic, we can smell stink of that from miles away.

So according to your statement because of bangla bahi existence Bangladesh name has to be associated with terror? Hell of a logic for bollywood script.

Then again I have to point to the same boxed world indians are living. Do you even know how Bangla bahi came about? Organization Bangla bahi belonged was creation of indian RAW. Indian citizen Mohsin Vaduri (one of main mastermind of Aug 17,2005 attack) and Rameshor Proshan operated 9 militant training camp inside india for terrorist activities inside Bangladesh.

There are still 500 odd Bangladeshi local terrorist/extortionist sheltered by india and even given indian citizenship. Joynal Hazari is one of the famous one.

In Bangladesh terrorism was and is a tame and defeated phenomenon. Whatever menace of terror touched Bangladesh has been traced back to RAW; pride and joy of india. BNP started the fight against that RAW created terror menace (with creation of RAB) which the interim govt continued.

Perhaps, you should read Mr Munshi book to get out of your box.