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WMS, Shalimar to build 60 ships of 600-2,500 DWT for Indian Govt

That is off-topic.

This is good for BD as it means that BD ship technology just gets consolidated in this area as you learn a lot from teaching others.

Like I say BD government needs to give massive tax breaks and also allow cheap credit to the shipbuilding industry to allow it to grow.

Best of luck to BD in shipbuilding definitely (in this class). You need to consolidate somewhere after all...but need to reach a billion dollar production scale at least for it to be noticed tbh.
 
Guys, this goes to show how advanced BD is at building these kinds of ships.
It seems that the Indians have had to admit that BD ship technology at this class size is superior than what can be found in India.

What BD government needs to do is to provide financial incentives to the shipbuilding industry, in order for them to start building much larger ships as that is where big large profits are.

@UKBengali bhai I fully agree with you but Bangladesh' export sweet spot is probably 6500 DWT (mini bulker or tanker) to 20000 DWT. If you go above 15000 DWT then you start competing with the likes of the smaller Indian/Chinese/Indonesian yards or even HYUNDAI-VINASHIN company in Vietnam, who only build ships larger than 15000 tons.

The jackpot is in smaller ships (mainly below 12,000 DWT coasters and mini bulkers/tankers), which no larger yard wants to build, for cost benefit and margin reasons. This is where Bangladeshi Shipbuilding companies come in because we control our costs and labor force in efficient ways that few countries can.

Yes we can build larger ships too but the capital to be sunk is quite huge in comparison....

Western marine is making BD proud... well done.

The region power needs tech transfer from an LDC. Facts will come as a slap to every hindutva trol here.

Thak bhai - let's not invite bad comments. You and I all know the situation. I believe Kolkata yards (which may not be very modern compared to their yards in their Western and Southern coasts) are another story altogether. Indians came to us with these orders, and we will complete these to their standards and pricing. That is all there is to this relationship.

If it reduces our trade imbalance with India I am all for it.
 
@UKBengali bhai I fully agree with you but Bangladesh' export sweet spot is probably 6500 DWT (mini bulker or tanker) to 20000 DWT. If you go above 15000 DWT then you start competing with the likes of the smaller Indian/Chinese/Indonesian yards or even HYUNDAI-VINASHIN company in Vietnam, who only build ships larger than 15000 tons.

The jackpot is in smaller ships (mainly below 12,000 DWT coasters and mini bulkers/tankers), which no larger yard wants to build, for cost benefit and margin reasons. This is where Bangladeshi Shipbuilding companies come in because we control our costs and labor force in efficient ways that few countries can.

Yes we can build larger ships too but the capital to be sunk is quite huge in comparison....

There is very little money to be made in building small ships.
These ships should be a stepping stone to larger ships where profits are much larger - think about up to a billion dollar sale cost per ship when we get to 100,00+ tonne weight.
No single BD company can afford to scale up to this level and so BD government needs to provide the tax breaks and low- interest loans to allow this to happen.
This is what the industry has been calling for a number of years.
 
There is very little money to be made in building small ships.
These ships should be a stepping stone to larger ships where profits are much larger - think about up to a billion dollar sale cost per ship when we get to 100,00+ tonne weight.
No single BD company can afford to scale up to this level and so BD government needs to provide the tax breaks and low- interest loans to allow this to happen.
This is what the industry has been calling for a number of years.

Well to this day there has been no concerted effort by the Export promotion folks or BIDA to promote this industry. Shipbuilding industry is apparently a little volatile, that could be part of the reason.

I hear you about large ships being profitable bhai, but we need to crawl well before we can learn to walk. Building larger ships will need a whole bunch of prerequisites such as robust bank financing and tax incentive support. building a 100,000 ton behemoth also requires very large yards.

No yard in Bangladesh can build ships larger than 15,000 DWT at the moment, except maybe KSY and/or Chittagong Drydocks, both of which belong to the Navy. Western Marine could build up to 12,000 DWT but they really need to expand their yardage. Until these yards can profit, they cannot expand.

There was quite a bit of interest in the last couple of years from Chinese and Korean yards to buy or even build a local yard so they could participate in the local activity. Infusion of Korean and Chinese shipbuilding standards will change the face of local sea-going shipbuilding. Meanwhile, read this from Korea times,

Shipbuilding: Bangladesh’s booming growth engine
in Shipbuilding News 08/05/2018

iu


Bangladesh has the potential to become the next Asian economic powerhouse driven by cheap labor and a population of more than 163 million.

The country has reported an average economic growth rate of six percent for the past five years, outperforming that of other underdeveloped countries. In particular, the country is ranked 17th out of 134 nations in terms of its potential growth rate of 6.4 percent or more in 2017 and 2018, according to the World Bank’s Dhaka office.

The rapid growth has long been attributable to exports in mostly primary industries in areas such as garments and agricultural products.

One lesser-known industry with huge growth potential for the country, however, is shipbuilding. As a riverine country, the country has taken advantage of shipbuilding as a major form of transportation for trade.

Bangladesh has 700 rivers, providing 24,000 kilometers of waterways. Driven by this geographical feature, the country holds more than 100,000 skilled and 150,000 semi-skilled workers in the shipbuilding industry.

But it was not long before the country began exporting its ships, due to weak infrastructure for building info-tech facilities.

For this reason, Bangladesh has in recent years shifted its focus into selling small- and medium-sized ships to other countries.

Dockyard and Engineering Works Limited (DEW) is particularly one of the biggest and oldest dockyards in the country. The facility, established in 1922, boasts 21.78 acres of land on the eastern bank of the River Shitalakshya in Narayanganj in central Bangladesh.

One noteworthy historic chapter of DEW dates back to the country’s independence in 1971 when the facility was run by Bangladesh Steel and Engineering Corporation of the Ministry of Industries.

DEW continued with a decent performance in terms of sales and management until 1980s, but had to be laid off at the end of 2002. The country then handed the shipbuilder to the Bangladesh Navy in 2006. Combining the Navy’s knowhow and expertise, DEW has since been able to stand on a progressively rising curve.

The dockyard has since diversified its product lineup to meet growing needs from local and international buyers with a keen focus on its engineering capability for steel and aluminum.

In 2012, the dockyard achieved a major breakthrough by developing a water jet-powered aluminum boat for the country’s coast guard. This was the first time for the country to develop such a ship with the technology.

The shipyard’s capabilities are not limited to shipbuilding expertise, but also repairs. So far, the facility has manufactured hundreds of vessels, mostly small ones, and repaired thousands of ships.

For now, DEW aims to acquire a composite technology to manufacture state-of-the-art medium-sized vessels by 2025. In a shorter period of time, the company also hopes to build 6,000 deadweight tonnage (DWT) boats by 2020.

Strong focus on small- and medium-sized ships

DEW has a wide variety of vessels encompassing patrol crafts, high-speed boats and small ferries and survey boat, providing them for a number of governments and private organizations.

The Dhaka-based shipyard, however, understands the fierce market competition. To survive in the growing market uncertainty, DEW plans to focus solely on enhancing its competitive edge in building small- and medium-sized vessels.

“For example, China is building large-capacity ships, but we are building small- and medium-capacity ships,” DEW Deputy General Manager Enamul Hassan told reporters last month on the sidelines of the “Visit Bangladesh” program.

Systemic organizational structure

As part of its efforts to raise its relatively weak global profile, the Dhaka-based shipbuilder puts top priority on developing vessels under systematic management by the Navy.

The organizational structure of the facility is subdivided into four major parts ― each engaging in planning and design, production, finance and administration.

DEW can also dock up to 1,200 tons of vessels with 88.4 meters in length. As the country’s largest dockyard, the facility can manage a wide variety of vessel management activities ― such as painting, electrical work and carpentry.

DEW is particularly running its own quality control team ― consisting of naval architectural, mechanical and electrical engineering and specialized ship management personnel to ensure the quality of its vessels.

To ensure the safety of its workforce, DEW also has 10 qualified security experts and safety-assuring equipment.

DEW’s production area is fitted with water hydrants as well as usual portal fire extinguishers. All of the regular firefighting training is conducted under the direct supervision of qualifier trainers, according to DEW.

“We have almost zero emissions into the atmosphere and water,” the ranking official said. “Our environmental activities are driven under the direct and systemic supervision of the Bangladesh Navy.”
 
Well to this day there has been no concerted effort by the Export promotion folks or BIDA to promote this industry. Shipbuilding industry is apparently a little volatile, that could be part of the reason.

I hear you about large ships being profitable bhai, but we need to crawl well before we can learn to walk. Building larger ships will need a whole bunch of prerequisites such as robust bank financing and tax incentive support. building a 100,000 ton behemoth also requires very large yards.

No yard in Bangladesh can build ships larger than 15,000 DWT at the moment, except maybe KSY and/or Chittagong Drydocks, both of which belong to the Navy. Western Marine could build up to 12,000 DWT but they really need to expand their yardage. Until these yards can profit, they cannot expand.

There was quite a bit of interest in the last couple of years from Chinese and Korean yards to buy or even build a local yard so they could participate in the local activity. Infusion of Korean and Chinese shipbuilding standards will change the face of local sea-going shipbuilding. Meanwhile, read this from Korea times,

Shipbuilding: Bangladesh’s booming growth engine
in Shipbuilding News 08/05/2018

iu


Bangladesh has the potential to become the next Asian economic powerhouse driven by cheap labor and a population of more than 163 million.

The country has reported an average economic growth rate of six percent for the past five years, outperforming that of other underdeveloped countries. In particular, the country is ranked 17th out of 134 nations in terms of its potential growth rate of 6.4 percent or more in 2017 and 2018, according to the World Bank’s Dhaka office.

The rapid growth has long been attributable to exports in mostly primary industries in areas such as garments and agricultural products.

One lesser-known industry with huge growth potential for the country, however, is shipbuilding. As a riverine country, the country has taken advantage of shipbuilding as a major form of transportation for trade.

Bangladesh has 700 rivers, providing 24,000 kilometers of waterways. Driven by this geographical feature, the country holds more than 100,000 skilled and 150,000 semi-skilled workers in the shipbuilding industry.

But it was not long before the country began exporting its ships, due to weak infrastructure for building info-tech facilities.

For this reason, Bangladesh has in recent years shifted its focus into selling small- and medium-sized ships to other countries.

Dockyard and Engineering Works Limited (DEW) is particularly one of the biggest and oldest dockyards in the country. The facility, established in 1922, boasts 21.78 acres of land on the eastern bank of the River Shitalakshya in Narayanganj in central Bangladesh.

One noteworthy historic chapter of DEW dates back to the country’s independence in 1971 when the facility was run by Bangladesh Steel and Engineering Corporation of the Ministry of Industries.

DEW continued with a decent performance in terms of sales and management until 1980s, but had to be laid off at the end of 2002. The country then handed the shipbuilder to the Bangladesh Navy in 2006. Combining the Navy’s knowhow and expertise, DEW has since been able to stand on a progressively rising curve.

The dockyard has since diversified its product lineup to meet growing needs from local and international buyers with a keen focus on its engineering capability for steel and aluminum.

In 2012, the dockyard achieved a major breakthrough by developing a water jet-powered aluminum boat for the country’s coast guard. This was the first time for the country to develop such a ship with the technology.

The shipyard’s capabilities are not limited to shipbuilding expertise, but also repairs. So far, the facility has manufactured hundreds of vessels, mostly small ones, and repaired thousands of ships.

For now, DEW aims to acquire a composite technology to manufacture state-of-the-art medium-sized vessels by 2025. In a shorter period of time, the company also hopes to build 6,000 deadweight tonnage (DWT) boats by 2020.

Strong focus on small- and medium-sized ships

DEW has a wide variety of vessels encompassing patrol crafts, high-speed boats and small ferries and survey boat, providing them for a number of governments and private organizations.

The Dhaka-based shipyard, however, understands the fierce market competition. To survive in the growing market uncertainty, DEW plans to focus solely on enhancing its competitive edge in building small- and medium-sized vessels.

“For example, China is building large-capacity ships, but we are building small- and medium-capacity ships,” DEW Deputy General Manager Enamul Hassan told reporters last month on the sidelines of the “Visit Bangladesh” program.

Systemic organizational structure

As part of its efforts to raise its relatively weak global profile, the Dhaka-based shipbuilder puts top priority on developing vessels under systematic management by the Navy.

The organizational structure of the facility is subdivided into four major parts ― each engaging in planning and design, production, finance and administration.

DEW can also dock up to 1,200 tons of vessels with 88.4 meters in length. As the country’s largest dockyard, the facility can manage a wide variety of vessel management activities ― such as painting, electrical work and carpentry.

DEW is particularly running its own quality control team ― consisting of naval architectural, mechanical and electrical engineering and specialized ship management personnel to ensure the quality of its vessels.

To ensure the safety of its workforce, DEW also has 10 qualified security experts and safety-assuring equipment.

DEW’s production area is fitted with water hydrants as well as usual portal fire extinguishers. All of the regular firefighting training is conducted under the direct supervision of qualifier trainers, according to DEW.

“We have almost zero emissions into the atmosphere and water,” the ranking official said. “Our environmental activities are driven under the direct and systemic supervision of the Bangladesh Navy.”

Next stage would be to get 1-2 yards that can build up to 30,000 tonnes. See how this works out for 5-10 years before thinking about going larger.
BD government needs to follow the E Asian model of sponsoring key industries as otherwise BD growth will halt in 10-15 years.
 
So at last medicine worked on the Indian troll. Hopefully there will be a peaceful environment for the time being.

@UKBengali @Bilal9 @Homo Sapiens @mb444 @TopCat @sbmc27

:rofl::haha::omghaha::victory1::yay:

Subhanallah! Alhamdulillah!! Peace at last. :-)

A thousand respectful salaams to @waz bhai.

That said - he can discipline me as well if I have been disrespectful.

Next stage would be to get 1-2 yards that can build up to 30,000 tonnes. See how this works out for 5-10 years before thinking about going larger.
BD government needs to follow the E Asian model of sponsoring key industries as otherwise BD growth will halt in 10-15 years.

That sounds great! I believe Western Marine has IPO already and is run by expert marine engineers and architects. They did declare plans to get some larger yards in Chittagong. But new yard may be south of Chinese EPZ in Patia...
 
My thoughts exactly. This Indian flagger troll has one (and only one) thing on his vengeful vendetta, and that is to derail any and all Bangladeshi threads and discussions. It has become impossible to discuss productively with this troll being able to derail any thread here in this manner. Our goal is only to discuss recent news and events in Bangladesh. If we cannot do this then the point of coming here to the forum is moot.

I have already demonstrated that many of the people (accounts) who are supporting this Indian flagger troll (mostly fake false flagger accounts spawned by interested parties) are not even Bangladeshi flaggers. If you tag this troll or show any support for him, then obviously your interests run counter against the Bangladesh section. You will be henceforth marked.

Whomever (with whatever flag) tries to derail a thread in this section of the forum, is in violation of forum rules and is definitely not a genuine Bangladeshi poster in my opinion. The mod bhais will hopefully take some action against these people.

@waz bhai, @Homo Sapiens bhai, @Centaur bhai, @fallstuff bhai, @sbmc27 bhai and all other genuine Bangladeshi PDF'ers let's discuss this together please.
@Bilal9 bhai, seriously this section needs a moderator who can understand Bengali, ( Pakistani Bengali speakers can be good choice imo)
And also can understand the difference between our Bangla and ghoti Bangla.
If someone is seriously accused of being false flagger , so this Bengali speaking moderator can voice chat with him/her privately if necessary in order to understand the difference between Bangla and ghoti Bangla.

If forum host consider this proposal then I can bet many false flaggers will be caught.
It's the only way left I believe. Now it's up to forum host.
 
Good point - but who?
Any Pakistani Bengali speaker should be the best choice in my opinion. But I don't know if any such person in this forum . But it's possible for the moderator panel to get one from Pakistani Bengali speakers.
If not possible then any old forum user who is not Awami League supporter, can be a better choice.
But I strongly recommend Pakistani Bengali speakers.
As I am fed up with Bangladeshi bhada traitors. People are changing here.
@Bilal9 bhai,let's request moderator panel, what say you? You guys choose ( and propose the name) as you are here from long time.
If Still not possible then I have no idea what to do. But along as the false flaggers and here, they will feed the anti bd trolls in order to ruin every BD thread.
 
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Yeah too many Bangladeshis wear their politics on their sleeves here in PDF. :tongue:

We can have a diversity of opinions but we should respect each others views nonetheless. Provided they are commonly focused toward the love of our country as well as our religion+culture.

One thing I will not compromise however. If one has a Bangladeshi flag and even if one is an Awami Leaguer, why would one support a Sanghi troll that bad mouths Bangladesh all the time? I can't really make my mind wrap around that fact at all.

If a Bangladeshi PDF'er supports a Sanghi troll against the interest other Bangladeshi forum members and this subsection, there is no question in my mind - that person is also a false flagger. If that person can also not write Bengali, then there is no doubt left.

I was told to shut up by one of our 'Bangladeshi' posters because I asked everyone in the Bangladesh section to not badmouth Pakistanis just because their economy was going through a tough spot. These kinds of insults will get more out of hand now, as we separate wheat from chaff...and 'out' false flaggers.
 
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@MBI Munshi
Any Pakistani Bengali speaker should be the best choice in my opinion. But I don't know if any such person in this forum . But it's possible for the moderator panel to get one from Pakistani Bengali speakers.
If not possible then any old forum user who is not Awami League supporter, can be a better choice.
But I strongly recommend Pakistani Bengali speakers.
As I am fed up with Bangladeshi bhada traitors. People are changing here.
@Bilal9 bhai,let's request moderator panel, what say you? You guys choose ( and propose the name) as you are here from long time.
If Still not possible then I have no idea what to do. But along as the false flaggers and here, they will feed the anti bd trolls in order to ruin every BD thread.
 
Guys do you really think if someone is false flagger they will willingly participate in chatting with other and reveal true identity?

If you can trace who is really a false flagger it is fine but unlikely you can do anything else on that.

If this @bluesky is really the former @eastwatch I do not think he is false flagger. If I am not mistaken he is BUET alumni and from Faridpur. If someone is living in other country for 30-40 year plus you should not expect proper Bengali from them.
 
Yes I was about to propose his name as he or peoles like him ( who have no rivalry with regular users ,atleast such peolpes can be good intermediate ( if not in moderation panel) between users and moderators,
So of course @MBI Munshi can do this job better IMHO, if he is interested and if forum host deem my proposal appropriate.
ThenThen subforum will be free from anti Bangladeshi trolls and also chetona badi shoytans will be well monitored then this forum will be nice.
Now it became so vicious that even discussing here became painful.

Guys do you really think if someone is false flagger they will willingly participate in chatting with other and reveal true identity?
If the suspected false flagger ( anyone; at present or in future) don't Co operate with that Bengali speaking moderator, then moderator panel will ban him, end of job.
But yes communication should be limited to him/her and moderator panels only.
But that Bengali speaker moderator must not be the supporter BAL.
I would rather believe a snake than a BAL extremist chetona thug.
 
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