Withdrawal of Chinese troops in Gogra and Hot Springs complete, Pangong next

[faithfulguy]

Because India has finally realized that China cannot be trusted and any move to accommodate them will be considered appeasement and will only increase their contempt for us.

It was the same mistake Nehru made , so now India has decided that if we cant be friends then let us be enemies who respect each other.

Modi is moving the line to fit his political narrative. I wonder how many Indians realized that. Also, banning tik tok over border conflicts just shows weakness.

 

[HalfMoon]

Rubbish.

LAC is based on the McMohan Line which is also your official border with Burma.

There is very little dispute in Ladak over where it falls. The bigger dispute is over Arunachal pradesh where you claim the whole state as south Tibet.

There are 3 agreements that define the LAC. The 1993 agreement, 1996 agreement and the 2013 agreement. And there is a mechanism in these agreements to handle alignment of LAC an that is by "joint checks".

Chinese action are in violation of these agreements and hence Indian's strong response.

LAC aligns with McMohan line (for most part) only in the eastern sector. In the Western sector, LAC is not same as MaMohan line. Chinese PM Zhou Enlai proposed to Indian PM Jawaharlal Nehru in 1959 that the LAC consisted of the McMahon Line in the east and the line up to which each side exercises actual control in the west”. Nehru never agreed to this Chinese proposal on LAC which resulted in the war of 1962.

 

[Gadkari]

Modi is moving the line to fit his political narrative. I wonder how many Indians realized that. Also, banning tik tok over border conflicts just shows weakness.

Modi does not need china or pakistan to firm up his political base. It already is VERY VERY strong.

He is doing this because he has decided that it is in India's best interest to do that. And a lot of Indians concur with that view.

Border dispute was just an convenient excuse to ban tik tok.

LAC aligns with McMohan line (for most part) only in the eastern sector. In the Western sector, LAC is not same as MaMohan line. Chinese PM Zhou Enlai proposed to Indian PM Jawaharlal Nehru in 1959 that the LAC consisted of the McMahon Line in the east and the line up to which each side exercises actual control in the west”. Nehru never agreed to this Chinese proposal on LAC which resulted in the war of 1962.

True, but the new agreements with china seeks to keep the scope of populated regions outside the scope of negotiations. So any populated region of Arunachal pradesh is not open for alignment or border readjustment.

 

[achhu]

LOL the Indians are afraid to show satellite photos of their side of the LAC.

use pakistani hubble telescope .

 

[Surya 1]

Withdrawal of Chinese troops in Gogra and Hot Springs complete, Pangong next

Press Trust of India

• New Delhi
• UPDATED: July 9, 2020 19:29 IST

China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) on Thursday completed moving back its troops from the face-off sites in Gogra and Hot Springs in eastern Ladakh in line with the understanding reached with the Indian Army, and the two sides are set to hold high-level military talks to further de-escalate tension in the region, senior officials said.

They said both sides have completed creation of a buffer zone of three kilometres in the three friction points of Galwan Valley, Gogra and Hot Springs as part of a temporary measure aimed at reducing the possibility of any confrontation.

On Thursday, the PLA has totally pulled back its troops from Gogra (patrolling point 17), and with this, both sides have implemented the first phase of disengagement to avoid any friction, the people cited above said.

They said the entire focus now shifts to Pangong Tso area where there has been thinning out of troops from Finger area 4. India has been insisting that China must withdraw its forces from areas between Finger 4 and 8.

They said the fourth round of corps commander-level talks between the two side are likely to take place in the next two-three days.

The two armies will also carry out a joint verification in the next few days to assess the implementation of the disengagement process.

The formal disengagement process began on Monday morning after a nearly two-hour telephonic conversation between National Security Advisor Ajit Doval and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Sunday.

In the talks, the two sides agreed on an expeditious withdrawal of troops from all the standoff points to bring back peace and tranquillity in the region. Doval and Wang are Special Representatives for the boundary talks.


Following the talks, a mutual disengagement process began in Galwan Valley, Hot Springs, Gogra and Finger areas in Pangong Tso.

Military sources said Indian Army will continue to maintain its aggressive posturing along the Line of Actual Control till the Chinese side cuts down on its significant build up in its rear bases.

Both sides have brought in thousands of additional troops and weaponry including tanks and artillery guns to their rear bases as part of a mega build up following the face-off that began on May 5.

As per the decisions arrived at corps commander-level talks on June 30, the two sides would create a minimum buffer zone of three kilometre in most of the areas where they were locked in a standoff.

The Indian and Chinese armies are locked in the bitter standoff in multiple locations in eastern Ladakh for the last eight weeks. The tension escalated manifold after the Galwan Valley clash in which 20 Indian Army personnel were killed.

Both sides have held several rounds of diplomatic and military talks in the last few weeks to ease tension in the region. However, there was no visible sign of any end to the standoff till Sunday evening.

On June 30, the Indian and Chinese armies held the third round of Lt General-level talks during which both sides agreed on an "expeditious, phased and step wise" de-escalation as a "priority" to end the standoff.

The first round of the Lt General talks was held on June 6 during which both sides finalised an agreement to disengage gradually from all the standoff points beginning with Galwan Valley.

However, the situation deteriorated following the Galwan Valley clashes as the two sides significantly bolstered their deployments in most areas along the LAC.

Tensions had escalated in eastern Ladakh around two months back after around 250 Chinese and Indian soldiers were engaged in a violent face-off on May 5 and 6. The incident in Pangong Tso was followed by a similar incident in north Sikkim on May 9.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...t-springs-complete-sources-1698771-2020-07-09

China had 2 options. 1,
To get humiliated and withdraw. 2, To get slaughtered, loose battle , loose territory and get humiliated. Naturally, China chose less damaging first option.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Modi does not need china or pakistan to firm up his political base. It already is VERY VERY strong.

He is doing this because he has decided that it is in India's best interest to do that. And a lot of Indians concur with that view.

Border dispute was just an convenient excuse to ban tik tok.



True, but the new agreements with china seeks to keep the scope of populated regions outside the scope of negotiations. So any populated region of Arunachal pradesh is not open for alignment or border readjustment.

Rubbish.

LAC is based on the McMohan Line which is also your official border with Burma.

There is very little dispute in Ladak over where it falls. The bigger dispute is over Arunachal pradesh where you claim the whole state as south Tibet.

There are 3 agreements that define the LAC. The 1993 agreement, 1996 agreement and the 2013 agreement. And there is a mechanism in these agreements to handle alignment of LAC an that is by "joint checks".

Chinese action are in violation of these agreements and hence Indian's strong response.

Because India has finally realized that China cannot be trusted and any move to accommodate them will be considered appeasement and will only increase their contempt for us.

It was the same mistake Nehru made , so now India has decided that if we cant be friends then let us be enemies who respect each other.

 

[Surya 1]

Withdrawal of Chinese troops in Gogra and Hot Springs complete, Pangong next

Press Trust of India

• New Delhi
• UPDATED: July 9, 2020 19:29 IST

China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) on Thursday completed moving back its troops from the face-off sites in Gogra and Hot Springs in eastern Ladakh in line with the understanding reached with the Indian Army, and the two sides are set to hold high-level military talks to further de-escalate tension in the region, senior officials said.

They said both sides have completed creation of a buffer zone of three kilometres in the three friction points of Galwan Valley, Gogra and Hot Springs as part of a temporary measure aimed at reducing the possibility of any confrontation.

On Thursday, the PLA has totally pulled back its troops from Gogra (patrolling point 17), and with this, both sides have implemented the first phase of disengagement to avoid any friction, the people cited above said.

They said the entire focus now shifts to Pangong Tso area where there has been thinning out of troops from Finger area 4. India has been insisting that China must withdraw its forces from areas between Finger 4 and 8.

They said the fourth round of corps commander-level talks between the two side are likely to take place in the next two-three days.

The two armies will also carry out a joint verification in the next few days to assess the implementation of the disengagement process.

The formal disengagement process began on Monday morning after a nearly two-hour telephonic conversation between National Security Advisor Ajit Doval and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Sunday.

In the talks, the two sides agreed on an expeditious withdrawal of troops from all the standoff points to bring back peace and tranquillity in the region. Doval and Wang are Special Representatives for the boundary talks.


Following the talks, a mutual disengagement process began in Galwan Valley, Hot Springs, Gogra and Finger areas in Pangong Tso.

Military sources said Indian Army will continue to maintain its aggressive posturing along the Line of Actual Control till the Chinese side cuts down on its significant build up in its rear bases.

Both sides have brought in thousands of additional troops and weaponry including tanks and artillery guns to their rear bases as part of a mega build up following the face-off that began on May 5.

As per the decisions arrived at corps commander-level talks on June 30, the two sides would create a minimum buffer zone of three kilometre in most of the areas where they were locked in a standoff.

The Indian and Chinese armies are locked in the bitter standoff in multiple locations in eastern Ladakh for the last eight weeks. The tension escalated manifold after the Galwan Valley clash in which 20 Indian Army personnel were killed.

Both sides have held several rounds of diplomatic and military talks in the last few weeks to ease tension in the region. However, there was no visible sign of any end to the standoff till Sunday evening.

On June 30, the Indian and Chinese armies held the third round of Lt General-level talks during which both sides agreed on an "expeditious, phased and step wise" de-escalation as a "priority" to end the standoff.

The first round of the Lt General talks was held on June 6 during which both sides finalised an agreement to disengage gradually from all the standoff points beginning with Galwan Valley.

However, the situation deteriorated following the Galwan Valley clashes as the two sides significantly bolstered their deployments in most areas along the LAC.

Tensions had escalated in eastern Ladakh around two months back after around 250 Chinese and Indian soldiers were engaged in a violent face-off on May 5 and 6. The incident in Pangong Tso was followed by a similar incident in north Sikkim on May 9.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...t-springs-complete-sources-1698771-2020-07-09

This conflict proved that who is the real boss in Asia.

 

[W.11]

Good measure by China, shouldn't make more enemies when due to COVID and trade wars, it has already made enemies.

China would be much more accptable if it reduces its bully attitude and uses reason first before getting adrenaline rush.

As for hindutvas, they are celebrating like they have won the war lmao.

regards

 

[Taimoor Khan]

India claim is till Finger 8 but the LAC is till finger 4.

Its all pretty straight forward.

I have shown the LAC on the Map , it is marked in RED. Where is the confusion ?

So basically what you are saying , purely from your own narrative that Chinese have gone way past and inside YOUR CLAIM line till finger 8? is that correct?

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Good measure by China, shouldn't make more enemies when due to COVID and trade wars, it has already made enemies.

China would be much more accptable if it reduces its bully attitude and uses reason first before getting adrenaline rush.

As for hindutvas, they are celebrating like they have won the war lmao.

regards

 

[Surya 1]

Good measure by China, shouldn't make more enemies when due to COVID and trade wars, it has already made enemies.

China would be much more accptable if it reduces its bully attitude and uses reason first before getting adrenaline rush.

As for hindutvas, they are celebrating like they have won the war lmao.

regards

Now bully attitude will not work. India has exposed china. 15 th June incident proved beyond doubt that old chinese army is not fighting fit. Ever back stabbed attack resulted in 5 against 1 of china. Dictator Xi has got the massage that Modi is his Grat Grand pa. I hope that china has learned the lesson. If still it has not learned, bigger humiliation will follow. Xi tried to protect himself as a strong leader to impress chinese people but withdrew with the consequences exactly opposite to what had been intended. This will prove to be suicidal for Xi. It will now be easy for anti Xi forces to topple him.

 

[Gadkari]

So basically what you are saying , purely from your own narrative that Chinese have gone way past and inside YOUR CLAIM line till finger 8? is that correct?

Yes.

Earlier they stayed at finger 8 and only patrolled till finger 4.

We patrolled till finger 8.

Now bully attitude will not work. India has exposed china. 15 th June incident proved beyond doubt that old chinese army is not fighting fit. Ever back stabbed attack resulted in 5 against 1 of china. Dictator Xi has got the massage that Modi is his Grat Grand pa. I hope that china has learned the lesson. If still it has not learned, bigger humiliation will follow. Xi tried to protect himself as a strong leader to impress chinese people but withdrew with the consequences exactly opposite to what had been intended. This will prove to be suicidal for Xi. It will now be easy for anti Xi forces to topple him.

A known devil is better than an unknown one.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Now bully attitude will not work. India has exposed china. 15 th June incident proved beyond doubt that old chinese army is not fighting fit. Ever back stabbed attack resulted in 5 against 1 of china. Dictator Xi has got the massage that Modi is his Grat Grand pa. I hope that china has learned the lesson. If still it has not learned, bigger humiliation will follow. Xi tried to protect himself as a strong leader to impress chinese people but withdrew with the consequences exactly opposite to what had been intended. This will prove to be suicidal for Xi. It will now be easy for anti Xi forces to topple him.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Yes.

Earlier they stayed at finger 8 and only patrolled till finger 4.

We patrolled till finger 8.

That means your CLAIMED area now part of China. Enjoy!

 

[W.11]

Dictator Xi has got the massage that Modi is his Grat Grand pa. I hope that china has learned the lesson. If still it has not learned, bigger humiliation will follow.

I think china is indian daddy tbh but chinese are smart enough to realize that economic cost is not to feddle with, they have a good thing going and presently present political setup doesnt suit china, they have a trade leverage when it comes to sino indian trade, it benefits china more than india.

well played india as well, i think that india was able to pull this off solely because of whining and crying instead of winning militarily.

regards