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Will US, India build THIS Gen Next missile together? - Rediff.com News



United States Deputy Secretary of Defence Ashton Carter, who arrived in India on a two-day visit on Monday, has masterminded a proposal that could dramatically boost US-India defence relations.

The Pentagon has written to the ministry of defence, proposing the two countries collaborate in jointly developing a next-generation version of the Javelin anti-tank missile.

India has been offered a specific share of the development programme and requested to respond by a specific date. If India chooses not to participate, the Pentagon would go ahead with the programme on its own.

Last year, Carter had proposed US companies join hands with Indian partners in setting up manufacturing facilities for five major systems in India. These include the MH-60 Romeo multi-role helicopter, built by Sikorsky and Lockheed Martin; a delivery system for scatterable mines; and the M-45 127-mm rapid-fire naval gun.

Later, the US proposed co-producing the Javelin missile, built by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.




New Delhi has not yet responded to the proposal. Now, Carter has raised the ante with his proposal for co-developing the next-generation Javelin.

India has a successful co-development project with Russia for the BrahMos cruise missile, and with Israel for the long-range surface-to-air missile and medium-range surface-to-air missile.

But with the US, India has only bought equipment over the counter. American equipment has not even been manufactured in India with technology transfer, far less co-developed.

Speaking anonymously, US officials confirmed the co-development proposal would be on Carter’s discussion agenda during his meetings in New Delhi on Tuesday. Carter would meet a host of Indian officials, including National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon.

Senior MoD sources said the US co-development proposal for the next-generation Javelin had been received and was being evaluated.

A senior Defence Research and Development Organisation source confirmed the US offer.


"DRDO welcomes co-development of advanced weapon systems, provided there is real technological collaboration involved. India needs to fill its technology gaps and co-development should ensure both partners build upon their mutual strengths," he said.

Carter's proposal is part of a 15-month-old American push to intensify its defence relationship with India.

Earlier, in response to New Delhi's interest in the Javelin, the US State Department had said fulfilling India’s requirement would "alter the regional military balance".

Worse, Washington refused to transfer key technologies New Delhi insisted upon as a part of the deal.

That approach changed dramatically since June 2012, when then US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta nominated Carter to break down the bureaucratic barriers in Washington that impeded the US-India defence relationship, which Washington had determined was pivotal to America’s future in Asia.


A formal mechanism called the DTI -- tellingly, the US called it the defence trade initiative, while India referred to it as defence technology initiative -- was set up. Carter co-chairs the initiative, along with Shivshankar Menon.

A close watcher of the Pentagon says Carter has pushed the US bureaucracy hard to change its approach towards India.

Earlier, US officials regarded India as just another non- North Atlantic Treaty Organisation country, one with which America did not even have a formal alliance and which was unwilling to sign cooperative agreements with the US.

"Before Carter got to work, releasing technology to India required a comprehensive justification to be made out. By April 2013, Pentagon officials needed to justify why a particular technology could not be released to India," said the Pentagon watcher



Now, the Javelin is a focus area for Carter. At one stage, the MoD was close to buying a rival missile, the Israeli Spike, for its $1-1.5-billion tender for 8,400 missiles and 321 launcher units for the army’s 350-plus infantry units.

But the MoD, wary of a single-vendor buy, ordered a "technology scan" to ascertain whether there was no missile in the market other than the Spike.

The FGM-148 Javelin, jointly built by US companies Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, is the world’s premier man-portable, anti-tank missile. It gives infantrymen, highly vulnerable to enemy tanks on the battlefield, a weapon with which to destroy heavy armoured vehicles from a distance of 2.5 km.

But the Israeli Spike, while not nearly as capable, is likely to be a good deal cheaper. If the MoD chooses price over capability, the Spike is likely to emerge the winner.

"But if the MoD agrees to Washington's co-development proposal, the Javelin would become the clear frontrunner for the $1-1.5-billion Indian contract. That is now a realistic prospect," says a member of the US defence industry.
 
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I definitely want to see India and US collaborating in a codevelopment project of some sort.We have been having codevelopment projects with russsia ,israel, france etc and US as the world leader in technology should not be avoided.
But in case the economic factor totally outweigh the technological advancements in such projects the we should not go for them.
 
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I definitely want to see India and US collaborating in a codevelopment project of some sort.We have been having codevelopment projects with russsia ,israel, france etc and US as the world leader in technology should not be avoided.
But in case the economic factor totally outweigh the technological advancements in such projects the we should not go for them.


I think offer of Co-development of Javelin like anti tank missile ...is more like testing India .

It's not some key technology project like FGFA that US offered us ....yet worthwhile to participate with US Co-development project.
We have lot to learn from US ...besides technology itself ! They have been and will remain technology leaders for foreseeable time but as you said economic viability has to be prime concern !


Indeed we can see definite change in US stance towards India .

But we have to remember US has only one friend .....that is US itself .

we have to deal with US within that premise !!!
 
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NO i DONT THINK they will



well offer has come from US !!!


Ball is in our court ....


I believe India-US can move from circumspect buyer - Untrusting Seller relationship to more mature defense ties...


Frankly speaking we hardly rank anywhere near US in terms of technology , expertise yet we have some strengths ....which US can utilize in co-development projects ....
 
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I think offer of Co-development of Javelin like anti tank missile ...is more like testing India .

It's not some key technology project like FGFA that US offered us ....yet worthwhile to participate with US Co-development project.
We have lot to learn from US ...besides technology itself ! They have been and will remain technology leaders for foreseeable time but as you said economic viability has to be prime concern !


Indeed we can see definite change in US stance towards India .

But we have to remember US has only one friend .....that is US itself .

we have to deal with US within that premise !!!
Yes true, but I disagree with the notion that Javelin is not a key technology project for India.I agree that it may be nowhere when compared to FGFA but still if you look at the way our Nag is progressing very slow and is also a bit heavy.Since DRDO also has plans for a man portable Nag, this might be a good move if we are treated as an equal partner in co development and sufficient technology is given to us.But I have renovation about the extend to which US would be willing to provide us with technology,since we have not signed any of their treaties like they also removed some equipment from the C-130.
 
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Yes true, but I disagree with the notion that Javelin is not a key technology project for India.I agree that it may be nowhere when compared to FGFA but still if you look at the way our Nag is progressing very slow and is also a bit heavy.Since DRDO also has plans for a man portable Nag, this might be a good move if we are treated as an equal partner in co development and sufficient technology is given to us.But I have renovation about the extend to which US would be willing to provide us with technology,since we have not signed any of their treaties like they also removed some equipment from the C-130.


I hope if its co-development project ...the restrictions of technology transfer would be eased ....If you read the news fully that's what Mr Carter has changed ....


Anyway it's big jump from outrightly banning institutes like DRDO , ISRO ....now US is ready to work with them ...


I personally believebesides just technology ....the exposure to US work ethics and overall conducts and management of projects would be very helpful to Indian side ....


we need to draw best from the best in order to compete with the best ....


US is and will remain world leader in technology for long time ....

we need to learn what keeps them ahead ....and how


I think US is opening up to India ...we should take leap of faith ....

As I said before US policies will always be dictated by its self interests ... US is not going to share any of its key technology which will have important ramification to its future ....

Yet US has lot more to offer without putting itself at even bit of disadvantage ....


There is lot of space for both sides to converge upon without budging from their stated differences and obvious compulsions ...
 
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I hope if its co-development project ...the restrictions of technology transfer would be eased ....If you read the news fully that's what Mr Carter has changed ....


Anyway it's big jump from outrightly banning institutes like DRDO , ISRO ....now US is ready to work with them ...


I personally believe besides just technology ....the exposure to US work ethics and overall conducts and management of projects would be very helpful to Indian side ....


we need to draw best from the best in order to compete with the best ....


US is and will remain world leader in technology for long time ....

we need to learn what keeps them ahead ....and how


I think US is opening up to India ...we should take leap of faith ....

As I said before US policies will always be dictated by its self interests ... US is not going to share any of its key technology which will have important ramification to its future ....

Yet US has lot more to offer without putting itself at even bit of disadvantage ....


There is lot of space for both sides to converge upon without budging from their stated differences and obvious compulsions ...
May sound really unimportant but I think it is equally important as the technology itself...can prove to be a very valuable experience for us...completely different form those which we have had till now
 
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May sound really unimportant but I think it is equally important as the technology itself...can prove to be a very valuable experience for us...completely different form those which we have had till now

On a personal note while working in Singapore I realized how much great Indian talent is being wasted because of stupid system we have .


we can work wonders if we have system which will encourage and not deprive our people !


I guess US is the best today because of their solid work ethics !


only way to inculcate those qualities is to expose ourselves to them .


Anyway if we do well more co-development projects can come up ...

Success of Brahmos project proves value of joint ventures ....



we have had JVs with many other countries ...why not US ?

( I am saying that despite my deep dislike for US political policies ......)
 
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US might co produce with India as orders are very huge in numbers

well India is a big market for everything ....but US won't offer something same to China despite being a BIG market ....

so here US is looking at something besides money and number of orders ( off course Economy remains at center stage of all US defense policies )


But it is clearly evident that US want to make sure that India addition as an inevitable step in its Asia pacific equation !
 
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well India is a big market for everything ....but US won't offer something same to China despite being a BIG market ....

so here US is looking at something besides money and number of orders ( off course Economy remains at center stage of all US defense policies )


But it is clearly evident that US want to make sure that India addition as an inevitable step in its Asia pacific equation !

Its right India and US have strategic understanding to arm India with the arms specifically meant to arm newly raised mountain division
 
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