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Will Pakistan erupt like Egypt? - The Washington Post

Think of Pakistan for a moment as the equivalent of Hosni Mubarak’s Egypt. Both countries have strong militaries and weak civilian governments. Both are nominally America’s partners in the war against al-Qaeda, but both chafe at U.S. pressure. In each nation, the street is buzzing with talk of the nation’s shame and humiliation under American hegemony.

In Egypt, this pressure cooker led to a revolution whose loudest slogan was “dignity.” The same upheaval could spread to Pakistan, and given the strength of Islamic extremism there, it would have devastating consequences. Meanwhile, the relationship between Islamabad and Washington becomes more poisonous by the week.

What’s behind this dysfunctional relationship, and what, if anything, can be done to repair it? Is there a way to encourage greater Pakistani independence and confidence without rupturing ties with the United States?

International affairs are sometimes more like a playground fight than a gathering of diplomats in striped pants. Countries feel “disrespected” in the same way as kids on urban streets; they worry about “losing face,” they sometimes place national honor before pragmatic interests. They talk past each other, as was the case for years between Mubarak and a string of U.S. presidents. And then things blow up, and people wonder why it happened.

Here are four recent snapshots of the miscommunication that is the U.S.-Pakistan relationship. Each suspects the other of bad faith, as these examples show, but the larger picture is one of persistent misunderstanding. Consider:

l Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the chief of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence, went to Washington last month to see CIA Director Leon Panetta and patch up a feud over the arrest of CIA contractor Raymond Davis and U.S. drone attacks. Pasha lost face at home by coming to Washington, but the meeting seemed to go well. The day he left, the U.S. launched a big drone attack in North Waziristan that a Pakistani intelligence official described as an “FU.”

l Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, traveled to Pakistan two weeks ago to try his hand at mending fences. On the way, he stopped in Afghanistan and got a hair-raising briefing about ISI connections with the Haqqani network — a Taliban faction that is America’s main adversary in eastern Afghanistan. During two news conferences, Mullen unloaded on the Pakistanis. The Pakistanis were miffed at being chastised in public.

l Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, the Pakistani army chief of staff, met last year with Richard Holbrooke, the late special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan. Kiyani was carrying an underlined copy of Bob Woodward’s book “Obama’s Wars,” whose revelations included some sharp criticism of Pakistan by top U.S. officials. “Mr. Ambassador, can you tell me how this happened?” demanded Kiyani.

l And then there are the drone attacks: In its frustration with Pakistan, the administration sharply increased its Predator strikes over North Waziristan last year. But a Pakistani military official says that in the 118 drone attacks they counted last year, only one al-Qaeda “high-value target” was killed. Meanwhile, the Pakistani public seethed at what it saw as a violation of sovereignty.

When you ask administration officials about the U.S.-Pakistan relationship, people just shake their heads in exasperation. They see a country beginning to crumble at the seams.

Maybe Pakistan needs a popular revolution, like Egypt’s, where people demand a stronger role in determining their future. But it’s hard to see this working out to the advantage of anyone at this point, except perhaps Osama bin Laden. And it might put Pakistan’s nuclear weapons up for grabs.

One way to bolster Pakistani sovereignty, short of such an uprising, would be for Pakistan to take a stronger role in ending a Taliban insurgency that is driving Washington and Islamabad nuts. A Pakistani intelligence official outlined to me a “framework for negotiations.” The Pakistanis would demand of Taliban groups with which they have contact — and yes, that includes the Haqqani network — that they meet U.S. requirements for a deal by rejecting al-Qaeda, halting fighting and accepting the Afghan constitution.

For Taliban groups that refuse this peace framework, says the Pakistani intelligence official, there will be “military therapy.”

There’s no way of knowing if the Pakistanis could deliver. But by putting them to the test — and granting their role in the region’s future — the United States might at least speak to the national yearning for dignity and independence. This relationship doesn’t need a divorce but maybe a little separation — to break a potentially ruinous cycle of mutual disrespect.
 
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bwahahahahah ok Washington post has woken up so late when even Egypt cooled down.

Egypt might not had seen much blood shed in the recent years but we have seen alot so dont worry if any eruption took place it will be a bad signal for outsider aggressors
 
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No need to read, but the answer is DEAD NO! We need unity and trust!!
Seriously why does everyone care NOW?!

All we can do is wait for evaluation, certainly not revolution. The so called leaders are gonna start killing and open fire throught their hired killers.
 
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No, not now. Maybe in 2006/2007 when the discontent levels were very high after the assassination bids against Musharraf, Lal masjid episode and the lawyers' strike. Pakistan was really in an upheaval then. It is much more stabilised now.
 
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Well, it all started from Pakistan. four years ago. People erupted against Musharraf and ousted him after a year long struggle. They are too fatigued now to do it all over again. Other Muslim countries and some non muslim countries followed the lead of Pakistan. The question is not if Pakistan will follow Egypt but if Egypt will follow Pakistan and the new government will continue in the footsteps of Husni Mubarik.
 
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sometimes even reputed media outlets like washington post comes out with immature analysis, like the one we got here!! egypt & pakistan has nothing in common. egyptians had a single agenda & goal behind their revolution. that's the ouster of mubarak & bring in more democratic rule! who will pakistanis revolt against & what? for democracy? they already have one! against zardari? well the next man is not going to be of any difference either!! for an iranian kind of revolution? well.. they need a ayatollah khomeini to lead the way & there is no shah mohammad ruling pakistan either!!
 
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Pakistan 'erupt like Egypt' with protesters calling for what?

Elections?

Isn't that what gave us the current lot of imbeciles in government?

The only 'eruptions' worth having are massive street protests in favor of reforming the election commission to ensure free and fair elections and reforming the civilian intelligence, LEA and prosecutors office to make them independent of political influence.
 
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Pakistanis want competent and honest leadership, not revolution. We have no choice but to wait for the next elections.
 
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Baaah!

Nothing's gonna happen in Pakistan.

Pakistanis are a happy people. See for yourself,

http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...-pakistanis-happier-than-indians-chinese.html

Why would a people even happer than the Indians and the Chinese even in times like these, erupt like the Egyptians??

Why O Why?

For your offtopic comment i will post muse reply,

Indians and Pakistanis, only when it comes to each other, seem to become idiots -- The "prickly Indian" types are upset that Pakistanis are happier, why this should matter to them and cause them such heartburn is well...just plain stupid --- And the Pakistanis to whom them being happy means that the Indian must be not just be sad but some psychotic depressed individual --

All this poll is, is a snap shot, one fleeting moment, understood as a reflection of the rural economy doing well

And for one small snap shot to elicit such negatives - well, I'm on the side of the mods, if people cannot be sane and reasonable, their posts will only pollute and if such behavior continues perhaps we should just do without these persons.
 
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no it is not possible as Pakistan lacks unity and integrity. yes there might be provincial eruption against other provinces. here politics plays a major unbinding role for the Pakistani public. they are divide at all levels, except faith in Islam is what binds them.
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shia sunni matter is an issue too, but to a lesser extent, AS OF NOW
 
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no it is not possible as Pakistan lacks unity and integrity. yes there might be provincial eruption against other provinces. here politics plays a major unbinding role for the Pakistani public. they are divide at all levels, except faith in Islam is what binds them.
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shia sunni matter is an issue too, but to a lesser extent, AS OF NOW

No it's the interdependence that binds us together. Religion alone can't work. Disagreements exist in every state. Are you suggesting that Indians face no division at any level? Your country is very much divided, at more levels than even Pakistan. Care to explain that how provincial eruption can occur in Pakistan?

Your understanding of Pak affairs is even more deplorable than this article's author.:disagree:
 
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