Will Gwadar Grow to Become a Major Metropolis Like Shenzhen?

[maravan91]

The port is not operational. Are you expecting a fishing village to suddenly turn into an international cargo port within a few years?

I doubt you are watching traffic to Gwadar day and night, any arrivals and departures from there wont be tracked on your precious website because the data for the port is not available.

Are you for real? The port is in operational for last 10 years. Still now only 2 or 3 ships r berthing every months.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Are you for real? The port is in operational for last 10 years. Still now only 2 or 3 ships r berthing every months.

Are you high? The first cargo ship docked there at the end of last year.

Thanks for confirming to me and all else here that you dont know jacksh*t about Gwadar port though, next time go actually read up about the place before you become obsessed with it.

 

[RPK]

I doubt you are watching traffic to Gwadar day and night, any arrivals and departures from there wont be tracked on your precious website because the data for the port is not available.

Sorry to bust your bubble click any Vessel and see the departure and destination info. makeup port in Chennai has best automated crane then in Gwadar

 

[maravan91]

Are you high? The first cargo ship docked there at the end of last year.

Thanks for confirming to me and all else here that you dont know jacksh*t about Gwadar port though, next time go actually read up about the place before you become obsessed with it.

Are u born after 2010?
https://www.dawn.com/news/27285
https://www.dawn.com/news/238494

gwadar port is in operational for more than 10 years. Last year opening ceremony by shariffs r public PR.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1296262

EMPTY CONTAINERS: Several containers that were brought to Gwadar were empty, according to people privy to the arrangements. Pakistan’s persistent trade deficit means that containers regularly accumulate within the country and often have to be shipped out empty.

 

[Zen0]

I like how this fool blogger thinks a port will turn Pakistan into Hong Kong , delusions are high in this one

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Sorry to bust your bubble click any Vessel and see the departure and destination info. makeup port in Chennai has best automated crane then in Gwadar

Are u born after 2010?
https://www.dawn.com/news/27285
https://www.dawn.com/news/238494

gwadar port is in operational for more than 10 years. Last year opening ceremony by shariffs r public PR.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1296262

EMPTY CONTAINERS: Several containers that were brought to Gwadar were empty, according to people privy to the arrangements. Pakistan’s persistent trade deficit means that containers regularly accumulate within the country and often have to be shipped out empty.

You two guys must be the dumbest people on this forum.

Phase 1 ended in 2006, that doesnt mean the Port was anywhere near functional it just means the most basic of infrastructure was built. Right now the entire Port is still under construction, even the power and water supply infrastructure hasn't been built. If there are any ships then it is severely limited operations like once or twice a week.

RPK, you must be mentally disabled or something, the Port according to that website does not have data available and you are telling me to click on it and look at the arrivals and departures there? Who do you think registers the departures and arrivals from the port? some magic entity or the actual Port itself?

 

[maravan91]

You two guys must be the dumbest people on this forum.

Phase 1 ended in 2006, that doesnt mean the Port was anywhere near functional it just means the most basic of infrastructure was built. Right now the entire Port is still under construction, even the power and water supply infrastructure hasn't been built. If there are any ships then it is severely limited operations like once or twice a week.

RPK, you must be mentally disabled or something, the Port according to that website does not have data available and you are telling me to click on it and look at the arrivals and departures there? Who do you think registers the departures and arrivals from the port? some magic entity or the actual Port itself?

lol port is operational for more than 10 years .Gwadar port is operated by singapore company till 2013. https://tribune.com.pk/story/419578/singapore-port-operator-on-way-out-of-gwadar/

 

[Shah Khalid]

lol port is operational for more than 10 years .Gwadar port is operated by singapore company till 2013. https://tribune.com.pk/story/419578/singapore-port-operator-on-way-out-of-gwadar/

OK It Is Obvious That B'coz You're Indian You Don't Know What Went On The Past 10 Years Back In 2006 The Management Concession of Gwadar Port Was Given To PSA Consortium After Bidding.Now Problesm Arose For 3 Reasons
1.Law and Order Situation Deteriorated Esp. After Nawab Bugti Got Killed
2.While The Government Successfully Constructed The Port They Completely Forgot That A Port Is Completely Nothing Without Hinterland Communications Which They Failed To Build.The Makran Coastal Highway Was Damaged A Year Before Due To Heavy Rains and Flooding
3.There Was A Dispute Because The Navy Refused To Hand Over The Land Required For The Free Zone to The PSA.This Is When Seeing The Apathy Of Our Accursed Bureaucracy PSA Decided To Pack Bags and Leave But They Needed A Bail Out Zardari Govt. Managed To Convince China To Form A Consortium To Buy The Consortium From PSA
4.For The Above Reasons There Was Not Much Activity In Gwadar Except For Government Sponsored Wheat and Fertilizer Cargoes

 

[maravan91]

OK It Is Obvious That B'coz You're Indian You Don't Know What Went On The Past 10 Years Back In 2006 The Management Concession of Gwadar Port Was Given To PSA Consortium After Bidding.Now Problesm Arose For 3 Reasons
1.Law and Order Situation Deteriorated Esp. After Nawab Bugti Got Killed
2.While The Government Successfully Constructed The Port They Completely Forgot That A Port Is Completely Nothing Without Hinterland Communications Which They Failed To Build.The Makran Coastal Highway Was Damaged A Year Before Due To Heavy Rains and Flooding
3.There Was A Dispute Because The Navy Refused To Hand Over The Land Required For The Free Zone to The PSA.This Is When Seeing The Apathy Of Our Accursed Bureaucracy PSA Decided To Pack Bags and Leave But They Needed A Bail Out Zardari Govt. Managed To Convince China To Form A Consortium To Buy The Consortium From PSA
4.For The Above Reasons There Was Not Much Activity In Gwadar Except For Government Sponsored Wheat and Fertilizer Cargoes

my post is reply to a particular post by member in which he wrongly claimed gwadar port operationalised only last year

 

[RiazHaq]

@RiazHaq

Brof sb,

Thar coal development is in full gear now and Pakistan is beginning to take advantage of coal deposits.

If Niaz sb (@niaz) is to be believed, that coal is of very poor quality and will never be a major contributor to Pakistans energy basket.

I expect other mineral extraction elsewhere including Reko Diq will follow sooner or later.

Maybe. But as things stand today, not an ounce has been extracted and on top of that, because of that one eyed CJP, already billions of dollars of claims are outstanding against Pak.

400 million tons capacity is massive for a single port in Pakistan by any measure

Mundra owned and operated by ModiGee's friend Gautambhai already has a capacity of 300 + million MTPA and there is a proposal to increase it to 600 million MTPA. The actual cargo handled however is only a shade over 100 million mt. Gwadar is a good development alright but dont expect it to be a gamechanger. As maravan bhai ( @maravan91 ) says you need to actually utilise that capacity.

Regards

Majumdar: "If energy experts are to be believed, Thar coal is of very poor quality and will never be a major contributor to Pakistans energy basket."


It's by choice. Historic low LNG prices make it a more attractive option for Pakistan.

http://www.riazhaq.com/2017/09/pakistan-among-fastest-growing-lng.html


Majumdar:" Maybe. But as things stand today, not an ounce has been extracted"


Have you heard about Saindak? The Saindak Metals Limited (SML) has produced 76,125.994 metric tons (mt) copper, 6.093 mt gold and 9.693 mt silver from the Saindak area, district Chaghi of the Balochistan province, during last five years.

http://www.brecorder.com/2016/12/17/332129/

Majumdar: " Gwadar is a good development alright but dont expect it to be a gamechanger. "

Gwadar port is huge but it won't be a gamechanger by itself. But CPEC is definitely a gamechanger.


http://www.riazhaq.com/2017/05/campaign-of-fear-uncertainty-and-doubt.html

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@RiazHaq

Brof sb,

They are two different projects although part of the same geological formation. And Saindak is a small project compared to the majors in Chile, Zambia etc

Regards

 

[RiazHaq]

Not a chance. Shenzhen was built by the Chinese and they have developed it as a city. Their interest in Gwadar is only the port and the connection to the port. If Pakistan wants Gwadar to be like Shenzhen then Pakistani's need to get off their own backside and build it up themselves. We won't do that - we don't do things like that. We have an attitude of thinking about what baba ji left for me, rather than what i can build.

Pakistani engineers and workers have built much of the Gulf Arab ports and cities like Dubai. They don't shy away from hard work. A lot of the infrastructure in Pakistan is now being built by Pakistani contractors like Frontier Works Organization (FWO). What Pakistanis lack is sufficient capital which the Chinese are bringing as lead investors.

http://www.riazhaq.com/2012/08/faith-in-hard-work-pakistanis-lead-world.html

A recent Pew Survey of 21 countries reported that 81% of Pakistanis believe in hard work to achieve material success. Americans are the second most optimistic with 77% sharing this belief followed by Tunisians (73%), Brazilians (69%), Indians (67%) and Mexicans (65%).


The survey found that "faith in the work ethic is particularly weak in Lebanon, where only 32% of the public anticipates rewards from hard work, and in Russia (35%), Japan (40%), Italy (43%) and Greece (43%), all countries that have suffered greatly from the recent economic downturn. There is also little confidence in hard work in China (45%), despite the fact that it has economically outperformed every country in this Global Attitudes survey".

Reacting to the survey results, former corporate leader Asad Umar who recently left Engro Corporation to join Imran Khan's PTI, said, “Fundamentally, the survey reveals that Pakistanis haven’t lost faith in the country. The Pakistani youth believes that current problems are short-term and can be resolved.”

Fifty-one percent of Pakistani respondents in the survey described their personal economic situation as "good", down from 70% in 2008. Only 9% of Pakistani participants assessed the national economic situation as "good", down from 41% in 2008.




Another survey titled "Pervasive Gloom About the World Economy" reveals that the vast majority of Pakistanis recognize that their country is facing economic difficulties and most hold the government responsible for it. Only 12% of Pakistanis are satisfied with the current direction of the country. However, 23% believe that Pakistan's economy will get better in the next 12 months. 26% expect it to remain the same and 43% think it will get worse.

Defying the prophets of doom and gloom, Pakistanis remain much more optimistic than the people of any of the 21 countries surveyed, including BRIC countries, that their hard work can bring them material success.It's this perpetual optimism and willingness to work hard that helps Pakistanis maintain their upward social and economic mobility.

 

[Samlee]

I like how this fool blogger thinks a port will turn Pakistan into Hong Kong , delusions are high in this one

 

[Areesh]

your super duper scrape port going nowhere

Says a bharati in pain with CPEC.

 

[war&peace]

Better you live in your hell hole and believe what you like to believe. your super duper scrape port going nowhere

sir @Dazzler your attention is required.