Why?

[Viva_Viet]

Don’t get me started about the stuff Western tourists do in your country . South East Asians are famous for these things. So take your 5 USD you earned and buy some dignity with it.

According to white masters:

Asians: weak fortune cookie selling domesticated „Yes Sir, of course Sir, ASAP Sir“ people with no love for their own culture

Muslims OTOH have some dignity left and have this Slave mindset. Am I allowed to call you Engin? Ngyuen is too complicated for me!

Human trafficking is against forum rules if u forget, bro. And u think no human trafficking in Muslim countries ??

But its true that none of Muslim countries can even make 3G phones to export for money...and u are also using smartphones,laptop made/manufactured in VN or CN. Your 3G/4G equipments are made in VN or CN,too. Your car is from EU or JP,SK, CN.

Btw, lets end the discussion here bcs VN and east Asian nations only care abt Jobs, making money, making better stuff for better life like 5G, smart phones, cars etc while u guys care abt something different.....

But color revolutions also happen in Arab world bcs poor Arab people don't have jobs, so they have no money for food.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Here is a interesting fact. Vietnam lost nearly million dead to US bombs and guns. That is more dead then any Muslim country has lost in the last 70 years. In other words Vietnam is the single biggest victim of US military power than any other country since WW2.

On the other hand Vietnam killed nearly 60,000 American military personnel. More Americans have died at the hands of Vietnamese then in any other war since WW2. If you count every American killed by every single Muslim country since WW2 the number is still 10 times less.

This means Vietnanese fought like lions and killed Americans on epic scale and the defeated them. No Muslim country has done this damage or fought so well or defeated the USA like Vietname did.

Although the other side of coin is Americans killed million Vietnames. By this measure the Vietnamese would be entitled to nurse the biggest hatred for America then any other. On the American side with 60,000 lost I could understand if America despised the Vietnames.

But why is it today the Vietnamese are such good friends with Americans who in turn also have a soft spot for Vietnam. Contrast this to the hate you see by many Pakistani's against USA when there is no historty of bloodbath like Viet/USA war.

I think Muslims are generally mistrustful of the Americans primarily because of the on going issues. The wars in the Muslim world are currently on going (or barely ended). The US support for Israel is ongoing as are the routine atrocities. All that is broadcast regularly.


So unlike the Vietnamese people, the problems of the Muslim world with the US are ongoing and with that is the mistrust.

 

[Iltutmish]

But its true that none of Muslim countries can even make 3G phones to export for money...and u are also using smartphones,laptop made/manufactured in VN or CN. Your 3G/4G equipments are made in VN or CN,too. Your car is from EU or JP,SK, CN.

Invent those techs first then talk. You see like those super power Indians being proud that white masters outsource their slave work there. You are just there because slavery was outlawed so paying a Vietnamese 50 USD a month for a 18/7 job will do the trick.

Btw, lets end the discussion here bcs VN and east Asian nations only care abt Jobs, making money, making better stuff for better life like 5G, smart phones, cars etc while u guys care abt something different.....

I know. Pay an „Engaiin“ a few bucks and you will have friend for life.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Some interesting comments. One thing that may be a factor is the idea of catharsis. When blood is spilled on a huge scale it leads to animosity being purged. Think of Japan [recieved nukes from USA], Germany [subjected to inhuman bombing] yet all are verey much relaxed today.

Amongst the Muslims the Turks fought the Europeans most and suffered nearly 300,000 combat deaths. Yet Turkey is also very relaxed with the West.

Yet many of Muslim societies like Pakistan that show maximum animus against West have suffered the least and have no record of even fighting against the West. Meaning they did not even make a sound in battle but scream the loudest in peace?

@AViva_Viet you made some very interesting points relating to your economy which I will touch on later but I agree they carry much currency. Particularly about Pakistan having to import everything from phones to cars from East Asia but then talking big about respect.

 

[Progressive1]

Instead vietnam opened itself to US investments in tech sector and become a mini asian tiger.

 

[Varunastra]

Combination of ummah identity that makes Pakistan take up others problems and friendship with China that breeds distrust with usa. Pakistan being born out of Religion, it's impossible to change this mindset/policy.

 

[rambro]

@Indus Pakistan - u missed out agent orange which effects lingers on.

Back to topic:

Control mainstream media and u can gain affinity easily + push disinformation to slander. Plenty of examples in the past that the west does, notably US.

Not to mentioned english language is far reaching due to historical reasons.

Besides, east asians in general likes white ppl.

 

[Viva_Viet]

@AViva_Viet you made some very interesting points relating to your economy which I will touch on later but I agree they carry much currency. Particularly about Pakistan having to import everything from phones to cars from East Asia but then talking big about respect.

To East Asia's culture, u only can gain respect when you can make your own cars, own phones, own telecom network, own ships etc and export for money. The more u can make those stuff by yourself, the higher respect u will get and of course u will become richer.

I really don't know how can u guys get rich and gain respect if u guys don't try to make good products and export. If u can't export, then u will have No money, no food and finally color revolutions will happen like in Syria, Lybia etc

 

[GHALIB]

You are "threat" ?? Dude, u guys cant even make a simple 3G phones till now, u are Joke instead

 

[fitpOsitive]

Here is a interesting fact. Vietnam lost nearly million dead to US bombs and guns. That is more dead then any Muslim country has lost in the last 70 years. In other words Vietnam is the single biggest victim of US military power than any other country since WW2.

On the other hand Vietnam killed nearly 60,000 American military personnel. More Americans have died at the hands of Vietnamese then in any other war since WW2. If you count every American killed by every single Muslim country since WW2 the number is still 10 times less.

This means Vietnanese fought like lions and killed Americans on epic scale and the defeated them. No Muslim country has done this damage or fought so well or defeated the USA like Vietname did.

Although the other side of coin is Americans killed million Vietnames. By this measure the Vietnamese would be entitled to nurse the biggest hatred for America then any other. On the American side with 60,000 lost I could understand if America despised the Vietnames.

But why is it today the Vietnamese are such good friends with Americans who in turn also have a soft spot for Vietnam. Contrast this to the hate you see by many Pakistani's against USA when there is no historty of bloodbath like Viet/USA war.

Presence of USA in Afghanistan keeps Pakistan strong against India. We are continuously in news since 1979. Why? Bacause of war in Afghanistan and Kashmir. That's the only reason why Military establishment of Pakistan survives, and they keep a strong hold on affairs within country. For example currently many retired and on service officers got jobs in PMC Pakistan. Was that possible under civilian strong govt? Otherwise, Pakistani departments, from military to educational institutions to District management groups are done already. To be honest I am waiting for next power to come and rule us again.
Resolution of Kashmir and Afghan issue is a death to Pak army as an oppressive power in Pakistan.
And this, we will not let happen.
If India lets Kashmir go, and gives complete Kashmir to Pakistan, Pakistan will fall with her own inertia. Because in that case, the binding force in Pakistan will lose its legitimacy of being a upper hand force in Pakistan.
Btw, the areas which are the parts of Pakistan today, have always welcomed invaders. Be it Mughals, be it Britishers or be it USA.
So larai ka tu sawal hi nahi banta.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Here is a interesting fact. Vietnam lost nearly million dead to US bombs and guns. That is more dead then any Muslim country has lost in the last 70 years. In other words Vietnam is the single biggest victim of US military power than any other country since WW2.

On the other hand Vietnam killed nearly 60,000 American military personnel. More Americans have died at the hands of Vietnamese then in any other war since WW2. If you count every American killed by every single Muslim country since WW2 the number is still 10 times less.

This means Vietnanese fought like lions and killed Americans on epic scale and the defeated them. No Muslim country has done this damage or fought so well or defeated the USA like Vietname did.

Although the other side of coin is Americans killed million Vietnames. By this measure the Vietnamese would be entitled to nurse the biggest hatred for America then any other. On the American side with 60,000 lost I could understand if America despised the Vietnames.

But why is it today the Vietnamese are such good friends with Americans who in turn also have a soft spot for Vietnam. Contrast this to the hate you see by many Pakistani's against USA when there is no historty of bloodbath like Viet/USA war.

Here is a interesting fact. Vietnam lost nearly million dead to US bombs and guns. That is more dead then any Muslim country has lost in the last 70 years. In other words Vietnam is the single biggest victim of US military power than any other country since WW2.

On the other hand Vietnam killed nearly 60,000 American military personnel. More Americans have died at the hands of Vietnamese then in any other war since WW2. If you count every American killed by every single Muslim country since WW2 the number is still 10 times less.

This means Vietnanese fought like lions and killed Americans on epic scale and the defeated them. No Muslim country has done this damage or fought so well or defeated the USA like Vietname did.

Although the other side of coin is Americans killed million Vietnames. By this measure the Vietnamese would be entitled to nurse the biggest hatred for America then any other. On the American side with 60,000 lost I could understand if America despised the Vietnames.

But why is it today the Vietnamese are such good friends with Americans who in turn also have a soft spot for Vietnam. Contrast this to the hate you see by many Pakistani's against USA when there is no historty of bloodbath like Viet/USA war.

Thing is, the vast majority of Pakistanis IN Pakistan DO NOT hate america. It's just the very few loudmouth ultra religious Mullahs who are anti-american yet they get the most publicity and media attention in the West. The other Pakistanis who are anti American are the FEW who are living in the West (not including america) who have a poor connection to their Pakistani roots and are obsessed with the Ummah. The VAST majority of Pakistanis are indifferent to American and Americans just as they are to us.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Invent those techs first then talk. You see like those super power Indians being proud that white masters outsource their slave work there. You are just there because slavery was outlawed so paying a Vietnamese 50 USD a month for a 18/7 job will do the trick.

The investors, including CN investors, pay us 430 usd per month, not mentioning we make our own 5G equipments in our own factories.

How much do the investors pay u ? I guess its just abt 200 usd per month.
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VN workers assembling Apple products like airpod got the total income is 10,4 millions vnd ( 430 usd) per month

People Rush for Rice Storage in Hubei Province

Thats the average pay for All, including farmers,workers, fastfood staff, waiters etc, not just workers alone.got it ?? No CN investors can hire workers wt just 150 usd per month ( prove it if Im wrong), but if they only open restaurants, then they can hire some waiters wt 150 usd cos most of...

defence.pk

 

[Indus Pakistan]

To East Asia's culture, u only can gain respect when you can make your own cars, own phones, own telecom network, own ships etc and export for money. The more u can make those stuff by yourself, the higher respect u will get and of course u will become richer.

I really don't know how can u guys get rich and gain respect if u guys don't try to make good products and export. If u can't export, then u will have No money, no food and finally color revolutions will happen like in Syria, Lybia etc

Unfortunately my friend the brutal truth and you East Asians know this but avoid saying because you don't want to disrespect. In Pakistan we have religion. That kills posssibility of doing what you guys do. I say this because I am not bothered what PDF people think of me. I will just say what I think. In private discussions with Chinese once they open up they also will point at the toxic culture of religion in Pakistan that has killed any chance of progress.

You said about how East Asians aspire to make phones, cars, computers etc. In Pakistan the culture is instead to look religious. Note I said look. Meaning little effort is made to improve yourself. It;s all about looking religious and then judging others. Then even forcing others. You see in last 3 days Pakistan has been burning. What about? Religion. Because what some French people said in Paris. Nothing to do with Pakistan.

In Pakistan it's all about fake religion, fake respect. It's not like religion in Pakistan has created a kind society. Rape, murder, abuse, corruption and other crimes are as common as rest of the world.

The truth is was it not for East Asians most of Pakistan could very well slide back to middle ages. There would be no cheap phones, cars etc. Without those products Pakistan would slide back to stone age. Unless it began to beg the whites for imports but most Western products are expensive.

Respect, religion is big. The hypocracy is it is a lazy, corrupt culture which lives on begging money from western institutions like IMF, running abroad as illegal migrants to the very white countries they compliain about. Many of the most virulent anti-western PDF'er will be from this group who live in the west.

Then after having begged the loans or got remittances from abroad the word "respect" comes out.

*sigh*.

Ps. I am jealous of East Asian culture that is so humble, hard working, realistic, strong when required as your wars have proven. You know how to fight, how to work and how to make peace. And most important you learn and even adopt ideas from your enemies.

 

[Muhammed45]

Here is a interesting fact. Vietnam lost nearly million dead to US bombs and guns. That is more dead then any Muslim country has lost in the last 70 years. In other words Vietnam is the single biggest victim of US military power than any other country since WW2.

On the other hand Vietnam killed nearly 60,000 American military personnel. More Americans have died at the hands of Vietnamese then in any other war since WW2. If you count every American killed by every single Muslim country since WW2 the number is still 10 times less.

This means Vietnanese fought like lions and killed Americans on epic scale and the defeated them. No Muslim country has done this damage or fought so well or defeated the USA like Vietname did.

Although the other side of coin is Americans killed million Vietnames. By this measure the Vietnamese would be entitled to nurse the biggest hatred for America then any other. On the American side with 60,000 lost I could understand if America despised the Vietnames.

But why is it today the Vietnamese are such good friends with Americans who in turn also have a soft spot for Vietnam. Contrast this to the hate you see by many Pakistani's against USA when there is no historty of bloodbath like Viet/USA war.

Japanese PM respecting/honoring American soldiers who mirdered/raped/NUKEd Japanese people.

You don't expect Muslims of Pakistan behave like that. Do you?

 

[Yankee-stani]

Japanese PM respecting/honoring American soldiers who mirdered/raped/NUKEd Japanese people.
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You don't expect Muslims of Pakistan behave like that. Do you?

Japan unlike Germany was let off the hook in some regards to this day Japan has shrines to the "Imperial Japanese Army" biggest one the Yakunsane Shrine the Japanese Government to this denies atrocities done in China,SouthEast Asia,And elsewhere and guess what the US "tolerated" during cold war as Japan was anti "communist"