Why?

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Jungle warfare is just a way to reduce the damages for Vnese, US never be defeated just by Jungle warfare. Defeating US airforces over VN sky was the key for our Victory.

U should read more abt the air battle during VN war.

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Operation Linebacker II was a US Seventh Air Force and U.S. Navy Task Force 77 aerial bombing campaign, conducted against targets in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) during the final period of US involvement in the Vietnam War. The operation was conducted from 18 to 29 December 1972, leading to several informal names such as "The December Raids" and "The Christmas Bombings".[10] Unlike the Operation Rolling Thunder and Operation Linebacker interdiction operations, Linebacker II was to be a "maximum effort" bombing campaign to "destroy major target complexes in the Hanoi and Haiphong areas, which could only be accomplished by B-52s".[11][12] It saw the largest heavy bomber strikes launched by the U.S. Air Force since the end of World War II. Linebacker II was a modified extension of the Operation Linebacker bombings conducted from May to October, when the emphasis of the new campaign shifted to attacks by B-52s rather than smaller tactical fighter aircraft.

Operation Linebacker II - Wikipedia

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Viets had some Ace Mig pilots

 

[magra]

Here is a interesting fact. Vietnam lost nearly million dead to US bombs and guns. That is more dead then any Muslim country has lost in the last 70 years. In other words Vietnam is the single biggest victim of US military power than any other country since WW2.

On the other hand Vietnam killed nearly 60,000 American military personnel. More Americans have died at the hands of Vietnamese then in any other war since WW2. If you count every American killed by every single Muslim country since WW2 the number is still 10 times less.

This means Vietnanese fought like lions and killed Americans on epic scale and the defeated them. No Muslim country has done this damage or fought so well or defeated the USA like Vietname did.

Although the other side of coin is Americans killed million Vietnames. By this measure the Vietnamese would be entitled to nurse the biggest hatred for America then any other. On the American side with 60,000 lost I could understand if America despised the Vietnames.

But why is it today the Vietnamese are such good friends with Americans who in turn also have a soft spot for Vietnam. Contrast this to the hate you see by many Pakistani's against USA when there is no historty of bloodbath like Viet/USA war.

Vietnam recognizes the difference between US govt and US people. It knows the US people even at that time was largely against the war and it was only the US govt of that time who wanted the war due to reasons of cold war with Communism.
On the US side, they have realized their folly and now are ashamed of waging war on Vietnam. Also, the fear they had that a Communist Vietnam would conspire with Russia to have anti-US policies did not materialize.
There are no ongoing disputes between US and Vietnam. Both have common concerns with regards to China and hence are becoming allies.

 

[313ghazi]

Good question. @Viva_Viet is everyone in Vietnam pro-USA? Were people anti USA at some point?

Also @Indus Pakistan I think most people in Pakistan don't hate America, only American foreign policy. There is only a fringe with genuine hate.

 

[Iltutmish]

It's quite obvious, most Pakistanis identify as Muslim first and see their Muslim identity as more important than their Pakistani identity. Hence they get outraged at the US for invading Afghanistan, Iraq, supporting Israel etc.

Pakistani identity = Muslim identity

Muslims on the other hand have a history with the West. They see our religion as threat. They are not intimidated by the Eastern cultures, they somehow like their fortune cookies and their platitude wisdoms about life. That’s it. Islam has a message that cannot be ignored.

But - horribile dictu - East Asians also have a special kind of suck up culture. They are totally harmless and ready to give up their identity in no time. That’s the reason why you have so many Peter Lee and Herbert Ngyuen in this world. They try to please White masters wherever they can (a thing they share with Indians), that’s the reason why East Asians and Indians are more liked by the West.

I will never forget the Skype call I had with a Vietnamese American introducing himself as „Engaaiin“ (Ngyuen). I know how to pronounce the name because there are many Vietnamese living in Germany and as decent human being with internet connection you can also check the pronunciation online. Never make White masters uncomfortable with your unpronounceable Asian names! He insisted on „Engaaiin“ like it’s a real name .

@hussain0216

 

[Viva_Viet]

This video clip is quite good abt Operation Linebacker II, u can see US air forces were overwhelmed VN defence forces in Hai Noi, Hai Phong, but still was defeated over North VN sky.

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Near the end of the Vietnam War and with time against him, President Nixon decides to use overwhelming military force to bring the North Vietnamese to the negotiating table, and sends B-52s to the northern capital of Hanoi

 

[Old School]

USA is not an enemy of Pakistan. A lot of resources which are used to indoctrinate anti-American sentiments can not be overlooked either. Everyone knows who is the most ardent anti-American in the entire muslim world and that particular regional actor has a lot influence inside Pakistan.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

This means Vietnanese fought like lions and killed Americans on epic scale and the defeated them. No Muslim country has done this damage or fought so well or defeated the USA like Vietname did.

The days of the foot soldier doing the major burden are long over.

On the American side with 60,000 lost I could understand if America despised the Vietnames.

Not really. It was only the North. Remember the US fought side by side with the South Vietnamese (just like with the South Koreans). Many of the Southern Vietnamese moved to the US.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Good question. @Viva_Viet is everyone in Vietnam pro-USA? Were people anti USA at some point?

Also @Indus Pakistan I think most people in Pakistan don't hate America, only American foreign policy. There is only a fringe with genuine hate.

pro-USA in VN ?? ah, Christian VNese are always pro-US and other religious groups may pro US,too, they are abt 25% of VN population. About 10% VNese still dislike US bcs of VN war against US's invasion, most of them are old.

The rest, specially the Young just stay neutral, they just care abt making money, getting married just like people in other nations.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Defeating US airforces over VN sky was the key for our Victory.

This wasn't due to your air force. Just lots of SAM missiles made low flying too dangerous preventing accurate targeting. We had to develop laser guided bombs for higher level flying.

 

[313ghazi]

pro-USA in VN ?? ah, Christian VNese are always pro-US and other religious groups may pro US,too, they are abt 25% of VN population. About 10% VNese still dislike US bcs of VN war against US's invasion, most of them are old.

The rest, specially the Young just stay neutral, they just care abt making money, getting married just like people in other nations.

Very interesting that you guys don't hold a grudge.

 

[GHALIB]

Here is a interesting fact. Vietnam lost nearly million dead to US bombs and guns. That is more dead then any Muslim country has lost in the last 70 years. In other words Vietnam is the single biggest victim of US military power than any other country since WW2.

On the other hand Vietnam killed nearly 60,000 American military personnel. More Americans have died at the hands of Vietnamese then in any other war since WW2. If you count every American killed by every single Muslim country since WW2 the number is still 10 times less.

This means Vietnanese fought like lions and killed Americans on epic scale and the defeated them. No Muslim country has done this damage or fought so well or defeated the USA like Vietname did.

Although the other side of coin is Americans killed million Vietnames. By this measure the Vietnamese would be entitled to nurse the biggest hatred for America then any other. On the American side with 60,000 lost I could understand if America despised the Vietnames.

But why is it today the Vietnamese are such good friends with Americans who in turn also have a soft spot for Vietnam. Contrast this to the hate you see by many Pakistani's against USA when there is no historty of bloodbath like Viet/USA war.

good post ,
these are the reasons for pak hate for america
pakistanis hate america and others because they are non muslims ,
amnerica humiliated pakistan by killing osama bin laden
america attacked muslim lands ,
america stopped giving dollars ,
pakistan got another godfather in china which is now confronting america .
america and india are friends

 

[Viva_Viet]

Pakistani identity = Muslim identity

Muslims on the other hand have a history with the West. They see our religion as threat. They are not intimidated by the Eastern cultures, they somehow like their fortune cookies and their platitude wisdoms about life. That’s it. Islam has a message that cannot be ignored.

You are "threat" ?? Dude, u guys cant even make a simple 3G phones till now, u are Joke instead

 

[Viva_Viet]

This wasn't due to your air force. Just lots of SAM missiles made low flying too dangerous preventing accurate targeting. We had to develop laser guided bombs for higher level flying.

As u know Egypt also had lots of SAM during "Six day war", but they were destroyed easily by Israel air force. US knew clearly how Soviet SAM work.

But u still lost.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

As u know Egypt also had lots of SAM during "Six day war", but they were destroyed easily by Israel air force. US knew clearly how Soviet SAM work.

But u still lost.

Yes, and the Egyptians weren't battle hardened like the Vietnamese after over a decade of continuous war.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Very interesting that you guys don't hold a grudge.

We have many wars against many big and strong enemies (Han Cnese-Mongol-Manchus-France-US ), we simply cant hate them all.

Not mentioning their economies (US-France) are falling, they cant even produce cheap toilet tissue for their own use now. They r just dying like Mongol empire.