Why you should support China in one chart

[beijingwalker]

I know Shenzhen used to have a different law as the only economic special zone in mainland China, but that law never applied to other mainland Chinese cities or provinces as you claimed. Chinese people make more domestic trips than Americans . Your mind about China was stuck 20 years ago, evrry recent foreigne visitor knows China way better than you do, so I don't know what's your Chinese flag for on this forum.

 

[jhungary]

I know Shenzhen used to have a different law as the only economic special zone in mainland China, but that law never applied to other mainland Chinese cities or provinces as you claimed. Chinese people make more domestic trips than Americans . Your mind about China was stuck 20 years ago, evrry recent foreigne visitor knows China way better than you do, so I don't know what's your Chinese flag for on this forum.

So are you saying Shenzhen is not part of Mainland China?

It doesn't matter how long ago that was established, it lasted until 2 years ago (to be precise, 1.5 years ago), that did not happened a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

And again, I am not talking about Trips, I am talking about emigration within China.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Thank God, Mao was an atheist, so is CCP. Just look at the "progress" of all those religious "developing countries".
Mao and CPC were able to promote atheism in China with relative ease

If you try to imply that Chinese are slaves to the government because they largely follow atheism these days, I think you are being judgmental.

LOL! I don't think religion affected Taiwan's modernization much. They were ahead of China and there's certainly more little shrines around than on the mainland. Seems to have been a non-issue in their growth. So keeping this "human right" had little detriment.

I mean Chinese as slaves because they blindly accept whatever the government decrees. If MAO had said nobody can wear white shirts because that is like the surrender flag people would back him 100%.

You’d be on here saying the banning of white shirts was a stroke of genius by Mao and was a major facilitator of getting China out of poverty. When people worked in factories they would notice no white flags so that allowed them to work harder than other workers in the world.

If I said this lack of white shirts thing is the most ludicrous explanation of China’s success you’d be on here with bar charts telling me different and how I don’t understand China.

Banning something like Facebook did not speed up poverty alleviation. So it’s nonsensical for the author to try and connect it. He may as well substitute banning chocolate mint ice cream.

 

[MrSato1]

LOL! I don't think religion affected Taiwan's modernization much. They were ahead of China and there's certainly more little shrines around than on the mainland. Seems to have been a non-issue in their growth. So keeping this "human right" had little detriment.

I mean Chinese as slaves because they blindly accept whatever the government decrees. If MAO had said nobody can wear white shirts because that is like the surrender flag people would back him 100%.

You’d be on here saying the banning of white shirts was a stroke of genius by Mao and was a major facilitator of getting China out of poverty. When people worked in factories they would notice no white flags so that allowed them to work harder than other workers in the world.

If I said this lack of white shirts thing is the most ludicrous explanation of China’s success you’d be on here with bar charts telling me different and how I don’t understand China.

Banning something like Facebook did not speed up poverty alleviation. So it’s nonsensical for the author to try and connect it. He may as well substitute banning chocolate mint ice cream.

So you genuiythunk that taiwan would have grown was it not a political tool againt China? i mean up until 1979 people recognised it as being China, thus trading more. More recently it has been described as an unsinkable aircraft carrier. Taiwan gained from circumstances not theough efforts of its own. Most of its current success comes from its relationship with china. Taiwan has less people than Shanghai.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

So you genuiythunk that taiwan would have grown was it not a political tool againt China? i mean up until 1979 people recognised it as being China, thus trading more. More recently it has been described as an unsinkable aircraft carrier. Taiwan gained from circumstances not theough efforts of its own. Most of its current success comes from its relationship with china. Taiwan has less people than Shanghai.

Certainly you are correct that there were political benefits of making Taiwan a success story. Sort of Japan 2.0. So I will give you that. However I’m not sure how important that was for countries other than the US. I don’t think they got much help from others.

 

[beijingwalker]

If MAO had said nobody can wear white shirts because that is like the surrender flag people would back him 100%.

You’d be on here saying the banning of white shirts was a stroke of genius by Mao and was a major facilitator of getting China out of poverty. When people worked in factories they would notice no white flags so that allowed them to work harder than other workers in the world.
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Your keeping mentioning Mao shows how your mind was stuck in the mid last century and how blindly you have been brainwashed, you better check some videos made by recent visitors to China or ask those who visited China in recently years. You sound like a very typical ingorant American.

So are you saying Shenzhen is not part of Mainland China?

It doesn't matter how long ago that was established, it lasted until 2 years ago (to be precise, 1.5 years ago), that did not happened a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

And again, I am not talking about Trips, I am talking about emigration within China.

Again US is never a standard being used to judge other countries , people in US may think possessing guns is basic human rights but in China we think that's a diaster.

LOL! I don't think religion affected Taiwan's modernization much. They were ahead of China and there's certainly more little shrines around than on the mainland. Seems to have been a non-issue in their growth. So keeping this "human right" had little detriment.
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Taiwan is not a religious place, it's also a confucius region where people share the same traditional values with mainland Chinese. During the heydays of Taiwan's economic takeoff in the 70's and 80's Taiwan was an absolute dictatorship, now Taiwan is on the decline similar to Japan. Besides, it's always easy for a small region with small population to grow fast, but when you talk about one fifth of the whole humanity, that will be a totally different story.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Your keeping mentioning Mao shows how your mind was stuck in the mid last century and how blindly you have been brainwashed, you better check some videos made by recent visitors to China or ask those who visited China in recently years. You sound like a very typical ingorant American.


Again US is never a standard being used to judge other countries , people in US may think possessing guns is basic human rights but in China we think that's a diaster.

I’m only picking Mao as a clear example of before China was in the middle of rapid modernizing. If you want to pick a later leader I’m fine with it.

 

[beijingwalker]

I’m only picking Mao as an example of before China started rapid modernizing. If you want to pick a later leader I’m fine with it.

I can pick US racial segregation and slavery, genocide of local American Indians in the history, but still that happened long time ago and can hardly relate to the current situation, so what's your point.

Look back in the history, China did try western style democracy early last century and it turned out to ba a total disaster for the Chinese nation.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I can pick US racial segregation and slavery, genocide of local American Indians in the history, but still that happened long time ago and can hardly relate to the current situation, so what's your point.

Look back in the history, China did try western style democracy early last century and it turned out to ba a total disaster for the Chinese nation.

Ok if Jiang made a decree that nobody can wear the white shirts you’d all fall in line and today you would be claiming one of the greatest moves of Jiang was to outlaw white shirts because while it was a restriction of freedom you all benefited by it immensely since it helped facilitate pulling hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. The trade off was well worth it no matter what the stupid West (who don’t understand China) thinks.

 

[jhungary]

Again US is never a standard being used to judge other countries , people in US may think possessing guns is basic human rights but in China we think that's a diaster.

You still don't get it, your point is exactly my point, what China think it's non-essential, does not mean it's non-essential to other people. And what Chinese think may not be important enough as a human right, that does not mean it is not a violation to the human right of Chinese, that just mean that the Chinese don't care about those stuff...

 

[beijingwalker]

Ok if Jiang made a decree that nobody can wear the white shirts you’d all fall in line and today you would be claiming one of the greatest moves of Jiang was to outlaw white shirts because while it was a restriction of freedom you all benefited by it immensely since it helped facilitate pulling hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. The trade off was well worth it no matter what the stupid West (who don’t understand China) thinks.

Change Jiang to Trump, could be more funny if you like to say a joke.

You still don't get it, your point is exactly my point, what China think it's non-essential, does not mean it's non-essential to other people. And what Chinese think may not be important enough as a human right, that does not mean it is not a violation to the human right of Chinese, that just mean that the Chinese don't care about those stuff...

You don't get it, it is the west trying to demonize China with their so called human rights issues, China doesn't care much about other countries domestic issues cause we know there's no universal rules fitting for every nation.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Change Jiang to Trump, could be more funny if you like to say a joke.
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Of course! The whole OP was a joke. Saying one of the main reasons China successfully pulled people out of poverty was due to limiting their freedoms (like banning Facebook) is absurd. It had nothing to do with pulling people out of poverty..it was all about control.

 

[jhungary]

You don't get it, it is the west trying to demonize China with their so called human rights issues, China doesn't care much about other countries domestic issues cause we know there's no universal rules fitting for every nation.

I know what you are talking about. But you obviously do not know what me and @Hamartia Antidote is on about.

It is exactly because there are no universal rules fitting every nation, the OP's article own conclusion is wrong, because, as you said, there are no universal rule, Facebook may be seen as something important for some Western people, it may not mean anything to Chinese. And to use it expressly to point our as the interference to economic development is absurd, because it was not seen as important enough to be considered. You may as well have the OP raise the point on which is more important for Chinese development, Baseball or Getting Rich? Or Chocolate Ice Cream or Getting Rich? Or anything Chinese not interested vs Getting Rich

Human Right only important when you are talking about something you cannot do without. Even in the west, the concept of Human Right is debated within itself, especially with modern day Data Protection Law. Me, personally, I don't care if you monitor my internet usage, hence I don't consider this as violating my human right, but someone who is very oppose to the idea of Internet Data monitoring, they would consider that is a Human Right Breach.

And if you ask me, Getting Rich or Internet Monitoring, since I don't care about Internet Monitoring, I will choose Getting Rich, but then that does not mean my right is not being violated, that just mean I don't care.

 

[beijingwalker]

The OP is a rebuttal against western median's persistant China bashing compaign under the pretext of human rights. The author wrote it for a reason. Western media always tends to portray China as an evil presence who rarely did anything right, but the truth is this evil monster achieved the most stunning accomplishment in human history. Leave China alone and China doesn't really care what happens in your own countries.

 

[Dungeness]

LOL! I don't think religion affected Taiwan's modernization much. They were ahead of China and there's certainly more little shrines around than on the mainland. Seems to have been a non-issue in their growth. So keeping this "human right" had little detriment.

I mean Chinese as slaves because they blindly accept whatever the government decrees. If MAO had said nobody can wear white shirts because that is like the surrender flag people would back him 100%.

You’d be on here saying the banning of white shirts was a stroke of genius by Mao and was a major facilitator of getting China out of poverty. When people worked in factories they would notice no white flags so that allowed them to work harder than other workers in the world.

If I said this lack of white shirts thing is the most ludicrous explanation of China’s success you’d be on here with bar charts telling me different and how I don’t understand China.

Banning something like Facebook did not speed up poverty alleviation. So it’s nonsensical for the author to try and connect it. He may as well substitute banning chocolate mint ice cream.

Where did you get the idea that "Chinese blindly accept whatever the government says"? Mao's era has long gone, is Mao the only CPC figurehead you know about? Are you in your 70's, by the way?

If you are genuinely interested in Chinese topics, as the impression you have been giving to PDF members here, you need to have a better understanding of current state of affair of China. Honestly, you don't seem to know much about today's China. I bet you can't read any Chinese material, and can't speak more than a few words of Chinese though you have a family member from China, and you certainly have never participated in any on-line discussion in any Chinese forums on any Chinese matter. Otherwise, you would not have made such laughable statement as "Chinese blindly accept whatever the government tells them". It's simply naive and out of date.

Don't forget, US politicians are counting on new generation of Chinese to "take China down". It is a mission impossible if Chinese are what you believe they are.

IMO, it's you who "blindly accept" whatever "fake news" MSM chose to tell you. You are not alone though, in fact you are typical in the west. "Free media" doesn't guarantee you are immune to brainwashing.

If you take China as an enemy, do your homework and get to know them better, start by watching CGTN or CCTV today.