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Why Waziristan cannot be conquered

Why Waziristan cannot be conquered
by A. H. Amin
(Friday, February 13, 2004)

"Beware of despising the tribals. They brought both Muslim and non Muslim Emperors to grief whether it was Jahangir, Shah Jahan, Aurangzeb, Ranjit Singh or the British king."

Those who know the Pathans and their history will know exactly what is happening in Waziristan today and which Lashkar is doing what and for what reason. The tribal Pathans have traditionally been supreme fighters who defied the Mughal occupiers, the Sikh occupiers, the British occupiers and now the latest occupiers, i.e. the US coalition chasing the Pathans and Muslims of various castes and creeds motivated by sheer ideology.

While the tribesmen know the art of resistance they also know the art of extortion from occupiers who try to buy them. Thus while the tribal Pathans killed many thousand occupiers in the British era they also managed to extort many subsidy payments from the British. Thus the same tribesmen who worked as contract laborers making roads for the British during day time, enjoyed sniping and shooting many British officers after sunset or during daytime when not on duty.

Thus when a lashkar of tribesmen appears to be on the payroll of political agents fed by US CIA dollars, all is not what it seems. In this case the tribals are performing an overt function of collaboration and a covert function of increasing their financial muscle which may be subsequently channelised into gun running, drugs or Jihad.

The tribesmen were not loyal subjects of the British. They spent their lives in sniping and ambushing the British and their mercenary Indian troops. Their life script was not to get a BA degree and become a minor civil servant or an ICS officer more loyal than the King. Nor did they get barristers degree and conduct profitable law practices in the courts of the British occupiers.

These men defied the British, killing over 10,000 British or Indian troops from 1849 to 1947, bleeding the British Empire white, forcing the British to maintain a division plus force in the Trans Indus tribal tract. These tribesmen gave sanctuary to Mughal Prince Ferozshah and to the followers of Syed Ahmad Shaheed of Rai Barelly at Malka and Ambela. These tribesmen greeted the British Indian army with fire while many today are famous as great Muslim leaders accepted knighthood and were ridiculed for doing so by Maulana Zafar Ali Khan of "Zamindar" fame.

The tribesmen acceded to Pakistan out of their free will. They were not conquered by the Pakistan Army. As a matter of fact no army including the Mughal, Sikh or British ever succeeded in conquering them. The tribal areas were occupied, overrun but never conquered. Their mosques were never used as stables and powder magazines as many in the tract East of Indus including the Badshahi Mosque of Lahore.

The tribesmen were not saved by the army of the English East India Company unlike the Muslims of Delhi or UP or the Muslims of Punjab and settled Pathan areas were from Hindu Marathas and Sikhs in 1803 and 1849. The tribesmen's mosques were not restored after humble petitioning to the English East India Company as was the case with Badshahi Mosque of Lahore in 1856.

The tribesmen were not willing mercenaries of the British and many Mehsuds, Wazirs and Afridis defected to the German lines in WW-I and returned to Tirah and Waziristan to wage Jihad against the British. The tribesmen cannot be compared with mercenary Muslim troops who opened fire on the Holy Ka'aba on British orders or who gunned down freedom fighters like an FF unit did at Jallianwalla Bagh in 1919.

The tribesmen acceded to Pakistan on the solemn assurance by Mr Jinnah that their customs and their Pathan way of life would not be interfered with. The tribesmen waged Pakistan's first successful Jihad in Kashmir in 1947-48. The tribesmen were used as cannon fodder during the Afghan War of 1979-89 when many generals became rich overnight and won cheap glory without exposing themselves to within 300 miles of hostile fire. The tribals braved salvoes of Soviet Katushkas and shrapnel of Hind Gun ships while sons of ex military tailors became billionaires.

The tribals were more Pan Islamist than Jamaluddin Afghani, more martial than any so called martial race of Indo Pak. More resolute than any general from Cape Komorin to Khunjerab Pass. The tribals are raised as snipers, not as sycophants, their life script is not to please 15 different seniors and get a good ACR, practicing sycophancy with civilian prime ministers and launching coups without a shot being fired against unarmed civilian heads of state.

What is happening in the tribal areas is not in Pakistan's national interests. The venom which has been forced into the tribal Pathan's soul is counterproductive for Pakistan in the long run.

The tribal areas has seen many occupiers. They are classic practitioners of Liddell Harts strategy of indirect approach. Their guerrilla tactics are far more subtle than that of Mao, Ho Chi Minh or Che Guevara. They apply Mao without knowing what he had written. They apply Sandino's Nicaraguan tactics which brought US Marines to grief without ever having heard of him. They are warriors par excellence.

For each militant handed over the tribals gain goodwill from greedy political agents who they deceive and thus succeed in sheltering 50 militants. There is a method in the apparent outward collaboration of the tribals. They cannot be overawed by a telephone call or bought by a million dollar retainer.

No cadet school or college can tame the tribals for whom music is the whistling bullet and its ricochet in the rocky gorges of Waziristan. The tribals don't need a federal government to make money. Their very location is an asset.

Beware of despising the tribals. They brought both Muslim and non Muslim Emperors to grief whether it was Jahangir, Shah Jahan, Aurangzeb, Ranjit Singh or the British king.

These are not the men who would sell their mother for a thousand dollars as some US senator said about some Pakistani leaders. These leaders may be found in Dera Ghazi Khan or somewhere East of the tribal areas. The tribals are sons of their fathers and there is no confusion about their paternity.

A man who does not know the tribal Pathan way of life is not competent to judge the subtleties of their character. It appears that the same mistake is being made today in the highest echelons of Pakistan's present military usurpers.
they. are the most brave people in the world known to face every kind of hardship
know how to fight And destroy superpowers and they never sell themselves for money
 
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They are not brave, Pak army only work in selective areas. And they only avoid collateral damage otherwise there bravery will meet allah in few arial attacks . They have two qualities , first they are rigid and jahil . Oterwise nationals quest to touch new horizon and they have quest for making new box of niswar....
 
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They are not brave, Pak army only work in selective areas. And they only avoid collateral damage otherwise there bravery will meet allah in few arial attacks . They have two qualities , first they are rigid and jahil . Oterwise nationals quest to touch new horizon and they have quest for making new box of niswar....

So you are seeing your fellow countrymen from FATA as adversaries
 
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So you are seeing your fellow countrymen from FATA as adversaries

If few raise arms against their own countrymen .....if one use the stick then you can t give me carrot,..you have no choice to use the stick If clan of few killed thousand of people and they are inside our territory then...should we go request them to stop their activity ...??? Hell no...now few cave dwellers teaching rest of millions how to live?
 
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If few raise arms against their own countrymen .....if one use the stick then you can t give me carrot,..you have no choice to use the stick If clan of few killed thousand of people and they are inside our territory then...should we go request them to stop their activity ...??? Hell no...now few cave dwellers teaching rest of millions how to live?

But not all tribals are talibans.
 
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But not all tribals are talibans.
But all Taliban are tribes then we have Punjabi Taliban who built save heaven . Who get trained and come back in cities are do their activities.
 
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It can't be conquered but it can be destroyed...

Today they are not being conquered because people are not trying to conquer them but defeating Taliban. People are being nice by distinguishing between them and Taliban. You want them to stop that distinction?
 
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It can't be conquered but it can be destroyed...
You have destroyed it pretty much.......giving them threat of destruction holds no meaning to them....

Generals in their drawing rooms might be boasting of conquering the territory which British failed to do so....Our faujis are very ambitious and are eager to flex their muscles....They could have resolved the issue in 2004 through government sponsored tribal lashkars but they wanted to show great performance in war on terror, it was necessary to get American aid in billions....they didnt listen to warnings, and now talibans are still there while faujis are getting panicking.
You know curfew is applied in waziristan whenever army caravan make a movement on the road from one place to another, which means any moving body is shot.....You do it in hostile territory, strangely it is enforced in my lakki marwat and other settled districts even though its people are very pro-army and pro-pakistani, which means army consider every pashtun territory and its people hostile....Lot of people in my area got killed because they were not aware that you have to stop moving when military caravan passes on road....
And who says army is operating against talibans? Haqqani network is operating in north waziristan with full support of ISI....The so called good talibans are having chai and dinners with faujis in check post......Jihadism was installed in FATA by your ISI in 80s, foreign mujahideens were settled there on your ISI orders, now you are dropping bombs on the same tribals which you made fools in 80s...

It can't be conquered but it can be destroyed...
You have destroyed it pretty much.......giving them threat of destruction holds no meaning to them....

Generals in their drawing rooms might be boasting of conquering the territory which British failed to do so....Our faujis are very ambitious and are eager to flex their muscles....They could have resolved the issue in 2004 through government sponsored tribal lashkars but they wanted to show great performance in war on terror, it was necessary to get American aid in billions....they didnt listen to warnings, and now talibans are still there while faujis are getting panicking.
You know curfew is applied in waziristan whenever army caravan make a movement on the road from one place to another, which means any moving body is shot.....You do it in hostile territory, strangely it is enforced in my lakki marwat and other settled districts even though its people are very pro-army and pro-pakistani, which means army consider every pashtun territory and its people hostile....Lot of people in my area got killed because they were not aware that you have to stop moving when military caravan passes on road....
And who says army is operating against talibans? Haqqani network is operating in north waziristan with full support of ISI....The so called good talibans are having chai and dinners with faujis in check post......Jihadism was installed in FATA by your ISI in 80s, foreign mujahideens were settled there on your ISI orders, now you are dropping bombs on the same tribals which you made fools in 80s...
 
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they. are the most brave people in the world known to face every kind of hardship
know how to fight And destroy superpowers and they never sell themselves for money

stop living in delusion. Its not 7th century where you will go on horses with swords and will take over land and will get control of all people there. Taliban spent more time on killing each others for political power in Afghanistan. People become rebel when you impose your ideology on others by sword and want everyone else to think/act like you.

Its 21th century where your economy matters and if you don't have money/resources, don't have latest technology of warfare then you cannot defend yourself. You cannot throw rock at drones or your handmade weapons would not be enough to fight with advanced weapons. USSR withdrew from Afghanistan because many countries were with Talibans but now where they stand? It was their huge mistake to associate themselves with alqaida and terrorism and their twisted version of jihad. You cannot take revenge from US/PAK/NATO army and go blow yourself to kill as many innocent as possible and then get hide in cave or make innocent civilian as your human shield. Is it bravery? or coward act?
 
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And who says army is operating against talibans? Haqqani network is operating in north waziristan with full support of ISI....The so called good talibans are having chai and dinners with faujis in check post......Jihadism was installed in FATA by your ISI in 80s, foreign mujahideens were settled there on your ISI orders, now you are dropping bombs on the same tribals which you made fools in 80s...

So much conspiracies theory there and i keep hearing 100 different conspiracies theories about 9/11, ISI, CIA, Osama, talibans etc from Indians as well as from Afghani/Pakistani . Pakistan or Pakistani people have nothing against those tribal people of FATA who don't involve in any anti-Pakistan or any terrorist activities or against those who dont give any shelter/support to such element

let say i agree with you for argument sake that ISI is asking taliban/TTP to have attack on Naval/Army headquarters and they came to them and ask them to commit suicide attacks and bomb blasts because its jihad..now tell me was it fault of ISI or those who follow the orders of ISI blindly? You blame ISI as if they dont have mind of their own and were just puppet in hands of ISI and did not know what is right or wrong
 
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stop living in delusion. Its not 7th century where you will go on horses with swords and will take over land and will get control of all people there. Taliban spent more time on killing each others for political power in Afghanistan. People become rebel when you impose your ideology on others by sword and want everyone else to think/act like you.

Its 21th century where your economy matters and if you don't have money/resources, don't have latest technology of warfare then you cannot defend yourself. You cannot throw rock at drones or your handmade weapons would not be enough to fight with advanced weapons. USSR withdrew from Afghanistan because many countries were with Talibans but now where they stand? It was their huge mistake to associate themselves with alqaida and terrorism and their twisted version of jihad. You cannot take revenge from US/PAK/NATO army and go blow yourself to kill as many innocent as possible and then get hide in cave or make innocent civilian as your human shield. Is it bravery? or coward act?

Talibans with stones, sword and horses? Are you living in the isolated cave or are you in funny mode. These talibans are more tough than SSG commandos and engage use more clever guerralla tactics...you are underestimating fearlessness and will power...a coward can be equiped with most modern weaponry and suits yet he wont be useful in battle...check out american soldiers, 80% are suffering from war trauma, they can not sleep well at night....when the soldiers of super power move out of their bases, talibans are waiting for them...you should see those CDs of talibans in which they have recorded their performance, in which they attack american army caravans, destroying them entirely, none of these events are reported to media....your almight uncle sam is now trying to have peace talks with talibans of 7th century, an office is opened for them in Qatar...why would almighty super power want to have talks with , in your words, cave dwellers primitive talibans with horses and swords?

Are you saying TTP are brave?

Calling them brave would hurt the patriotic sentiments of people and would hurt those whose families have suffered at the hands of talibans. Lets say they are "tough" enemies.
 
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So much conspiracies theory there and i keep hearing 100 different conspiracies theories about 9/11, ISI, CIA, Osama, talibans etc from Indians as well as from Afghani/Pakistani . Pakistan or Pakistani people have nothing against those tribal people of FATA who don't involve in any anti-Pakistan or any terrorist activities or against those who dont give any shelter/support to such element

let say i agree with you for argument sake that ISI is asking taliban/TTP to have attack on Naval/Army headquarters and they came to them and ask them to commit suicide attacks and bomb blasts because its jihad..now tell me was it fault of ISI or those who follow the orders of ISI blindly? You blame ISI as if they dont have mind of their own and were just puppet in hands of ISI and did not know what is right or wrong

You do not have slightest clue or understanding of what exactly i said in the post. You are commenting like a foriegner on pakistan.
 
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Talibans with stones, sword and horses? Are you living in the isolated cave or are you in funny mode. These talibans are more tough than SSG commandos and engage use more clever guerralla tactics...you are underestimating fearlessness and will power...a coward can be equiped with most modern weaponry and suits yet he wont be useful in battle...check out american soldiers, 80% are suffering from war trauma, they can not sleep well at night....when the soldiers of super power move out of their bases, talibans are waiting for them...you should see those CDs of talibans in which they have recorded their performance, in which they attack american army caravans, destroying them entirely, none of these events are reported to media....your almight uncle sam is now trying to have peace talks with talibans of 7th century, an office is opened for them in Qatar...why would almighty super power want to have talks with , in your words, cave dwellers primitive talibans with horses and swords?

It seem you are supporter of acts of TTP so your mind of 7th century will not be able to comprehend the simple analogy i made in my post. I never said that talibans use donkey or sword but it was just a simple analogy to make people understand that war of today is not same as those in past which were always fought on field with face to face enemy

and what is the source of income and weapons for your dear talibans? They are still using that weapons which they were borrowed from others during soviet wars and what about their calipha/mullah or sheikh? where they hiding? I am not talking about wars between Taliban and NATO forces. I am talking about cowards act of TTP where they commit sucide attacks and kill inocent civillian in bomb blasts
 
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